Why this game is ridiculous
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@Matt_42187 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
12 pci may be good/okay contact, but should not result in a 9 contact MPH rating. Okay contact/high exit velo does not happen in real life. Also, pitchers confidence should not matter how the ball reacts off the bat. That’s up to the player’s swing.
12 pci is good contact, not good/okay contact. It’s a simple breakdown. 15 is perfect, 13-14 is squared up, 12 is good, and 11 is more in your good/okay range.
Just pay attention the the location on the pci. 12 is completely inside the pci, 11 the ball is partially in the pci, and 10 is on the edge of the pci. Yes the game has its issues with the RNG, but 12 is good contact because the ball is completely inside the pci, it’s not even really a debate.
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@CCCStunna30 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@Matt_42187 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
12 pci may be good/okay contact, but should not result in a 9 contact MPH rating. Okay contact/high exit velo does not happen in real life. Also, pitchers confidence should not matter how the ball reacts off the bat. That’s up to the player’s swing.
12 pci is good contact, not good/okay contact. It’s a simple breakdown. 15 is perfect, 13-14 is squared up, 12 is good, and 11 is more in your good/okay range.
Just pay attention the the location on the pci. 12 is completely inside the pci, 11 the ball is partially in the pci, and 10 is on the edge of the pci. Yes the game has its issues with the RNG, but 12 is good contact because the ball is completely inside the pci, it’s not even really a debate.
15 is NOT perfect. Literally Perfect / Perfect is perfect.
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@CCCStunna30 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@Matt_42187 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
12 pci may be good/okay contact, but should not result in a 9 contact MPH rating. Okay contact/high exit velo does not happen in real life. Also, pitchers confidence should not matter how the ball reacts off the bat. That’s up to the player’s swing.
12 pci is good contact, not good/okay contact. It’s a simple breakdown. 15 is perfect, 13-14 is squared up, 12 is good, and 11 is more in your good/okay range.
Just pay attention the the location on the pci. 12 is completely inside the pci, 11 the ball is partially in the pci, and 10 is on the edge of the pci. Yes the game has its issues with the RNG, but 12 is good contact because the ball is completely inside the pci, it’s not even really a debate.
Again, if you can share your secret of how to hit .300 - .400 with 12 PCI I would be all ears and shut my mouth.
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@CCCStunna30 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@Matt_42187 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
12 pci may be good/okay contact, but should not result in a 9 contact MPH rating. Okay contact/high exit velo does not happen in real life. Also, pitchers confidence should not matter how the ball reacts off the bat. That’s up to the player’s swing.
12 pci is good contact, not good/okay contact. It’s a simple breakdown. 15 is perfect, 13-14 is squared up, 12 is good, and 11 is more in your good/okay range.
Just pay attention the the location on the pci. 12 is completely inside the pci, 11 the ball is partially in the pci, and 10 is on the edge of the pci. Yes the game has its issues with the RNG, but 12 is good contact because the ball is completely inside the pci, it’s not even really a debate.
I'd beg to differ on 12 being completely inside the PCI. I've hit homers with balls outside the PCI being a homerun. My placement has shown 12 & 13. On a scale of 10-15, 12 is average contact & 13 is good. It really depends on your timing. Last game I played, I was jammed but had a 14 PCI placement...
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@KOTANK1334 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
15 is NOT perfect. Literally Perfect / Perfect is perfect.
Well this comment now eliminates any credibility you had in arguing this hahaha
Perfect/perfect only occurs when you have perfect timing to go along with perfect pci placement hence why it uses two words PERFECT/PERFECT. 15 represents perfect pci placement with non perfect timing.
I’m out though, your response tells me all I need to know about your thought process and knowledge. It’s not worth my time
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@CCCStunna30 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@KOTANK1334 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
15 is NOT perfect. Literally Perfect / Perfect is perfect.
Well this comment now eliminates any credibility you had in arguing this hahaha
Perfect/perfect only occurs when you have perfect timing to go along with perfect pci placement hence why it uses two words PERFECT/PERFECT. 15 represents perfect pci placement with non perfect timing.
I’m out though, your response tells me all I need to know about your thought process and knowledge. It’s not worth my time
Ok bud. Stay frosty. Keep hitting that .400 with 12 PCI placement and I'll be looking for you in the leaderboards my guy ! Or you bouncing because you dont have a response ?
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@CCCStunna30 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@KOTANK1334 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
Ok. so let me ask you this. What is your expectation as far as results per PCI placement ? Me, I'd say if you're off center enough to be a 12 you Might get a hit 1/4 or 1/5 times ? so .200 - .250 ? And I have 5 in a row. I'd had enough
I expect anything 12 and above to be solid contact. If it’s with good timing i expect it to probably be a hit. 12 contact is not on the edge of the pci, the ball is usually completely inside the pci, so that’s a good swing. I would say the average should be closer .300 -.400 range. Perfect is over .800, 13-14 is in the .500-.600 range. The pitcher energy and confidence affects results as well so after multiple hits in a row, the average goes up.
And so we are clear... This is where you lost your credibility with me... right here in this very moment.
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@KOTANK1334 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
Ok bud. Stay frosty. Keep hitting that .400 with 12 PCI placement and I'll be looking for you in the leaderboards my guy ! Or you bouncing because you dont have a response ?
Wow your a good troll I’ll give you that haha
So your response to me proving you wrong about what 15 pci contact is, is to ignore the comment and not respond. Yet choose to try and call me out for not responding over you exaggerating what I said? hahamy comment was I expect it to be in the .300 - .400 range, common sense would tell you that I accounted within this range variables such as stadium, attributes, and pitcher/energy and confidence, but this I guess requires too much thought process, so I’m sorry I’ll make sure to simplify things in the future.
Have a great day!
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@CCCStunna30 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@KOTANK1334 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
Ok bud. Stay frosty. Keep hitting that .400 with 12 PCI placement and I'll be looking for you in the leaderboards my guy ! Or you bouncing because you dont have a response ?
Wow your a good troll I’ll give you that haha
So your response to me proving you wrong about what 15 pci contact is, is to ignore the comment and not respond. Yet choose to try and call me out for not responding over you exaggerating what I said? hahamy comment was I expect it to be in the .300 - .400 range, common sense would tell you that I accounted within this range variables such as stadium, attributes, and pitcher/energy and confidence, but this I guess requires too much thought process, so I’m sorry I’ll make sure to simplify things in the future.
Have a great day!
LOL. ok man. You're trying really hard to make it sound like you have all this analytical data to back up your .300-.400 claim so you can deflect my argument because you don't have an answer. Again, if you truly hit that high with all of your stadiums and attributes then I guess my "common sense" is just that off. In fact I would guess that the majority of people who play this game are just bumbling idiots because we never took that into consideration. Either show me how or produce some of your scientific results.
Also, the floor is open for anyone that also believes you hit that high of an average off of a 12 PCI to come forward now with your time of day and whether or not you're playing on a Tuesday. I mean it's just common sense.
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@Matt_42187 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
I'd beg to differ on 12 being completely inside the PCI. I've hit homers with balls outside the PCI being a homerun. My placement has shown 12 & 13. On a scale of 10-15, 12 is average contact & 13 is good. It really depends on your timing. Last game I played, I was jammed but had a 14 PCI placement...
So I’m confused by a couple of your points and if you can clarify that would be great.
HR being outside the pci is a game issue that occurs that makes no sense, no ones debating that.
Your saying you have hit homers that are outside your pci, yet show you got a 12-13 feedback? That’s new if it is and I haven’t seen that before or seen anyone comment on that. It could be a display glitch, don’t know if you’ve seen it where it shows perfect/perfect, goes foul, then shows up the second time as late or early.
Your right on a scale of 10-15, 12 is average. The issue here is the pci doesn’t use a scale of 10-15, it uses a 0-15 scale or 1-15 scale.
Lastly, timing doesn’t affect pci placement. They’re 2 different factors that come together to create a result, so you getting jammed yet having a 14 pci can happen. That can happen in real life as well, being late on a pitch yet pulling your hands in and making contact with your barrel. Your timing is still late yet you did make barrel contact, your never gonna get a good result but you did technically have barrel contact. -
@lazy_toast said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@eelnirad_anglo said in Why this game is ridiculous:
The game isn't necessarily good or bad. State of the art replication of MLB physics and animation. For that the whole development team deserves highest marks.
But, it's not a simulation. Everything in the game is controlled by code. Anyone that plays the game a lot, and is honest with no agenda can pick out a dozen or so different "tendencies" in the code that underscore the fact it's code driven...not player driven.
IMO, from my limited time playing..it works like this. Any ball thrown in the strike (or near it) and swing of the bat is then "analyzed" (loose statement that) by the code. It then paints an animation completely, I mean completely, in line with how it (the AI) has decided the outcome will be. I've seen it all.and I'm sure not a percentage as much as you guys that have played hundreds of hours.
Fast-balls, that is certain situations, are completely unhittable (very late..too late). In other situations (same game..same pitcher) you swing "very early" on. Fast balls that head into the zone with a trajectory that you know (from seeing 1000's of these pitches) is going to be outside, you don't swing, and you can actually see that fast-ball just "put on the brakes" and stop to record a strike-out. Curve balls and change ups that drop more than is physically possible.
But, the biggest problem I have with the fake animation is the majority of the time my swing (where my swing placement should be based on how I moved my controller) is off inches, sometimes feet, sometimes I'll drop my swing down on one of those low changeups and it will show my swing as if I went up in the zone,..sometimes I won't even move my controller and it will show my pci shift just enough to justify a swung through or whatever silly message is thrown up the make you believe you missed.
Pitche/swing are nothing but smoke and mirrors. The vibration, the result "very-late", "very-early", "he popped-it-up" is nothing more than the code making a decision long before the swing is completed what the result will be. It's the only method the developers have of presenting a pretty game, is to take complete control of the controller input and start generating animation based on what is best (who needs to win based on whatever keeps ppl coming back).
You play the game knowing it doesn't matter if you are good or bad. Whether you're loaded with diamond players or silver players.. Doesn't matter if you've pumped 600 hours into RS and playing someone that's on their first. You might win..you might lose. All dependent on the ride the AI decides to take you on. It is what it is.
nicely said man. Ive witnessed some of the hijinx mentioned. I agree they do the best they can for a simulation sport game. Imagine if it was just cut and dry based on players overall. My batter is a 95 and your pitcher is a 90 so my batter is going to win. I dont think that game would be fun to play so they have to add in the animations to replicate stuff happening
Agreed. They just need to evolve the game to the extent that wonderful animation doesn't often (way too often) seem over-the-top stacked or rigged one way or the other.
And, really, should a team of silver/bronze/gold ever be coded to beat an all-diamond team? I dunno, but it just doesn't seem right to me.
I would much more be for SDS to create bot teams (which perhaps they already do) with teams that match up card-wise properly with the beginner teams full of sub-diamond cards. Let the beginner get their wins against similar stacked teams.
Until they gain enough cards through challenges and what not to get the team of Diamonds. It just screams "C'mon Man" whenever you're on the receiving end of this. Probably when you are the weak-A$s team as well. Has to give them some mixed feelings on how this game works. Wouldn't you think?
And, absolutely underscores, the very essence of this game..which is getting the best players through a whole lot of grinding...is meaningless when you lose against a team like this.
IMO, you can't use the "well, in MLB even the worst teams win against much better teams". It's not the same...these situations are like an MLB team playing a single-A team.
A Diamond team is filled with a blend of the greatest to currently and ever play the game for the most part. Stacked, unlike any team in the history of MLB has ever been. They would never lose to even today's Pittsburgh Pirates. IMO. OR, if so, perhaps once in 40 games.
It would be like Manchester City losing to Newcastle. Both teams in the Premier League...but, that hasn't happened ever..not once in 18 straight matches and still going. Because there is that type divide in Premier Soccer. You don't have the type divide in real life MLB.
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@KOTANK1334 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
LOL. ok man. You're trying really hard to make it sound like you have all this analytical data to back up your .300-.400 claim so you can deflect my argument because you don't have an answer. Again, if you truly hit that high with all of your stadiums and attributes then I guess my "common sense" is just that off. In fact I would guess that the majority of people who play this game are just bumbling idiots because we never took that into consideration. Either show me how or produce some of your scientific results.
Also, the floor is open for anyone that also believes you hit that high of an average off of a 12 PCI to come forward now with your time of day and whether or not you're playing on a Tuesday. I mean it's just common sense.
Well here’s the only analytics that have been released on the game.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.theshownation.com/articles/mlb-the-show-20-community-stats/amp/
Sorry I make you salty cause I use my brain and process things with actual reason unlike you who hasn’t had a single valid point this entire time and is arguing without actually saying anything.
Huh...
perfect/perfect has resulted in a .854
Squared up .716
Good .627So the only stats available actually back up my comments and statements, and actually my numbers seem to be on the low side, interesting. So I’m providing facts and reason behind my argument, yet what have you got?
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@CCCStunna30 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@Matt_42187 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
I'd beg to differ on 12 being completely inside the PCI. I've hit homers with balls outside the PCI being a homerun. My placement has shown 12 & 13. On a scale of 10-15, 12 is average contact & 13 is good. It really depends on your timing. Last game I played, I was jammed but had a 14 PCI placement...
So I’m confused by a couple of your points and if you can clarify that would be great.
HR being outside the pci is a game issue that occurs that makes no sense, no ones debating that.
Your saying you have hit homers that are outside your pci, yet show you got a 12-13 feedback? That’s new if it is and I haven’t seen that before or seen anyone comment on that. It could be a display glitch, don’t know if you’ve seen it where it shows perfect/perfect, goes foul, then shows up the second time as late or early.
Your right on a scale of 10-15, 12 is average. The issue here is the pci doesn’t use a scale of 10-15, it uses a 0-15 scale or 1-15 scale.
Lastly, timing doesn’t affect pci placement. They’re 2 different factors that come together to create a result, so you getting jammed yet having a 14 pci can happen. That can happen in real life as well, being late on a pitch yet pulling your hands in and making contact with your barrel. Your timing is still late yet you did make barrel contact, your never gonna get a good result but you did technically have barrel contact.I have yet to see a single digit PCI placement. I’m not sure where you would get 0-9, unless SDS has said something on the streams.
Next time I hit an inside pitch for a homer, I’ll take a picture. It’s happened multiple times. More so on cutters. But I have seen people talk about it on the forum a couple of times.
As for your last point, you referred to 12 PCI being good contact. I had 14 but weak contact, broken bat. Yes, I was jammed because I was late. But maybe you should have mentioned timing along with the placement. I shouldn’t have a broken bat with a 14 pci placement based on your point of 12 being good contact.
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So are you guys literally pausing like every inning to look at pci numbers so you can get mad about them or what? Im confused why anyone would want to do that. Is it like a mad obsession kinda thing?
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@Matt_42187 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
I have yet to see a single digit PCI placement. I’m not sure where you would get 0-9, unless SDS has said something on the streams.
Next time I hit an inside pitch for a homer, I’ll take a picture. It’s happened multiple times. More so on cutters. But I have seen people talk about it on the forum a couple of times.
As for your last point, you referred to 12 PCI being good contact. I had 14 but weak contact, broken bat. Yes, I was jammed because I was late. But maybe you should have mentioned timing along with the placement. I shouldn’t have a broken bat with a 14 pci placement based on your point of 12 being good contact.
Go into a game with the cpu. Put the pci at the top swing at a pitch low or in the dirt. Go into your analysis page and it should show a swing and miss with a low pci number.
Ya there is glitches In the game where you get bad pci hr, one of the big frustrations in the game and well documented by players.
I thought I mentioned timing and pci placement are independent but their combo is what the result is. Yes you should not of technically had a broken bat, but I think that was more to do with a resulting animation than actual fact result. Basically the game reading you were late on the
Pitch inside and decided it was gonna be a weak hit so it created a broken bat animation. Thats not surprising. -
@CCCStunna30 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@Matt_42187 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
I have yet to see a single digit PCI placement. I’m not sure where you would get 0-9, unless SDS has said something on the streams.
Next time I hit an inside pitch for a homer, I’ll take a picture. It’s happened multiple times. More so on cutters. But I have seen people talk about it on the forum a couple of times.
As for your last point, you referred to 12 PCI being good contact. I had 14 but weak contact, broken bat. Yes, I was jammed because I was late. But maybe you should have mentioned timing along with the placement. I shouldn’t have a broken bat with a 14 pci placement based on your point of 12 being good contact.
Go into a game with the cpu. Put the pci at the top swing at a pitch low or in the dirt. Go into your analysis page and it should show a swing and miss with a low pci number.
Ya there is glitches In the game where you get bad pci hr, one of the big frustrations in the game and well documented by players.
I thought I mentioned timing and pci placement are independent but their combo is what the result is. Yes you should not of technically had a broken bat, but I think that was more to do with a resulting animation than actual fact result. Basically the game reading you were late on the
Pitch inside and decided it was gonna be a weak hit so it created a broken bat animation. Thats not surprising.I’ve never paid attention to swing and misses. But I did just give up a homer in RS on a 8 PCI / 9 HIT MPH. That’s a first for me, seeing a hit with a single digit number.
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@Matt_42187 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
I’ve never paid attention to swing and misses. But I did just give up a homer in RS on a 8 PCI / 9 HIT MPH. That’s a first for me, seeing a hit with a single digit number.
Ya it was something I learned last year when I was trying to get better. I believe it starts with the outer pci and if it’s outside that pci its 0. I just imagine it as an archery target, just hitting the outside of the target is a 1 and bullseye is a 15.
Sorry you gave up such a weak HR, that’s why many people get frustrated with the game because you can give up that homerun, yet hit a ball that registers 14 with good timing and it’s an out.
If your analyzing contact results don’t bother with the hit mph, that will drive you crazy, just pay attention to swing timing and pci. For timing I believe it’s N = perfect timing, everything else is self explanatory JE = just early etc.
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@flamexJD20 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@KOTANK1334 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
Another event game.... 5 hits against me ALL 12 PCI. Why are we rewarding this ? What really gets me is that 2 of these were up the middle and my DIAMOND fielders couldn't get to them for a double play. How is a 12 PCI coming off the bat with such speed that this happens? Oh yeah... this game is horrible.
so you dont want a 12/15 being rewarded?
Only if it's in his favor. Tomorrow he'll be complaining about how all his placements were 12's and they weren't all hits and having good placement should be rewarded more
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@KOTANK1334 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@TheHungryHole said in Why this game is ridiculous:
@KOTANK1334 said in Why this game is ridiculous:
When you give up a jammed base hit on an 11 PCI. Then they hit an 11 PCI HR and then follow that up with a 12 PCI HR on the next batter. Boom you're down 3-0 in the event in the first inning.
GG SDS GG
lollll dude you realize how nerdy that sounds - "a 12 PCI HR" " a 2 PIC HR" - like whatttttttttt
just rely on playing dont care about those metrics
LOL. ok chief. Yes, because using a tool that the developers put into the game for feedback is nerdy.
yeah exactly right - you are focusing on BS metrics, why don't you just play the game and stop relying on various markers, tabs, buttons, windows, stat bubbles. etc. etc. etc.
instead you whine about things which have nothing to do with anything - you pick whatever minor superficiality works with your argument - grow up
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