Monitors are worth every penny
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Never bought into the monitor hype till now... small sample size but are monitors REALLY this much a difference maker, or a fluke? Usually play on an 80” 4K LG and pitch great but hit for [censored], picked up a 32” monitor and immediately started hitting... no swings and misses and hit 2 perfect/perfect bombs down the line out of first 9 batters.
Usually my homers are late contact opposite field.
So monitors the way to go... or hitting a fluke -
Interesting post. Personally, I wouldn't put down anywhere from $1k to $5k for a large gaming monitor for this single game so you can catch up with a fastball. Especially, in all likelihood, it has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software. Or network or just plain ability level.
Bottom line, don't listen to others that say it's so. Rent one, borrow one, whatever...but before you decide to drop your hard-earned money make sure it's worth it.
But, if you've got money to burn and you might find a use for it in other gameplay...might not be a terrible idea. Again, the key...money to burn. I've got a little loose change I could drop, but sure wouldn't to make myself "potentially" more competitive in a game that has issues that go much-much deeper than a high 100-mph fastball.
Just felt obliged to play devil's advocate. Somebody needs to before mom-and-dad are suddenly hit up for a ridiculously priced piece of hardware so Junior can be more "competitive"
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Glad to see no one associated directly with SDS is encouraging this sort of purchase. Knowing what they know about the game code, that would almost be a criminal act.
In my opinion, it is the morally right thing to not encourage this type of action (purchase)..knowing the game is not influenced by monitors. In theory, it could be..but that's not how this game works.
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@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
Interesting post. Personally, I wouldn't put down anywhere from $1k to $5k for a large gaming monitor for this single game so you can catch up with a fastball. Especially, in all likelihood, it has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software. Or network or just plain ability level.
Bottom line, don't listen to others that say it's so. Rent one, borrow one, whatever...but before you decide to drop your hard-earned money make sure it's worth it.
But, if you've got money to burn and you might find a use for it in other gameplay...might not be a terrible idea. Again, the key...money to burn. I've got a little loose change I could drop, but sure wouldn't to make myself "potentially" more competitive in a game that has issues that go much-much deeper than a high 100-mph fastball.
Just felt obliged to play devil's advocate. Somebody needs to before mom-and-dad are suddenly hit up for a ridiculously priced piece of hardware so Junior can be more "competitive"
Lol $5000 monitors, Did NASA have a yard sale or something?
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@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
Interesting post. Personally, I wouldn't put down anywhere from $1k to $5k for a large gaming monitor for this single game so you can catch up with a fastball. Especially, in all likelihood, it has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software. Or network or just plain ability level.
Bottom line, don't listen to others that say it's so. Rent one, borrow one, whatever...but before you decide to drop your hard-earned money make sure it's worth it.
But, if you've got money to burn and you might find a use for it in other gameplay...might not be a terrible idea. Again, the key...money to burn. I've got a little loose change I could drop, but sure wouldn't to make myself "potentially" more competitive in a game that has issues that go much-much deeper than a high 100-mph fastball.
Just felt obliged to play devil's advocate. Somebody needs to before mom-and-dad are suddenly hit up for a ridiculously priced piece of hardware so Junior can be more "competitive"
Paid $260 for my 32 inch monitors, 1 ms response time. You don't need 4k monitors to have great improvement in play. Worth it for The Show, more worth for FPS and such. Well worth the investment, also recommend speakers with a 3.5 mm jack to plug into the monitor 3.5 mm jack for sound without a tv.
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@Desolator78 said in Monitors are worth every penny:
@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
Interesting post. Personally, I wouldn't put down anywhere from $1k to $5k for a large gaming monitor for this single game so you can catch up with a fastball. Especially, in all likelihood, it has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software. Or network or just plain ability level.
Bottom line, don't listen to others that say it's so. Rent one, borrow one, whatever...but before you decide to drop your hard-earned money make sure it's worth it.
But, if you've got money to burn and you might find a use for it in other gameplay...might not be a terrible idea. Again, the key...money to burn. I've got a little loose change I could drop, but sure wouldn't to make myself "potentially" more competitive in a game that has issues that go much-much deeper than a high 100-mph fastball.
Just felt obliged to play devil's advocate. Somebody needs to before mom-and-dad are suddenly hit up for a ridiculously priced piece of hardware so Junior can be more "competitive"
Paid $260 for my 32 inch monitors, 1 ms response time. You don't need 4k monitors to have great improvement in play. Worth it for The Show, more worth for FPS and such. Well worth the investment, also recommend speakers with a 3.5 mm jack to plug into the monitor 3.5 mm jack for sound without a tv.
Well, you know, that's like your opinion man,
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@ChArTeRBuS said in Monitors are worth every penny:
@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
Interesting post. Personally, I wouldn't put down anywhere from $1k to $5k for a large gaming monitor for this single game so you can catch up with a fastball. Especially, in all likelihood, it has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software. Or network or just plain ability level.
Bottom line, don't listen to others that say it's so. Rent one, borrow one, whatever...but before you decide to drop your hard-earned money make sure it's worth it.
But, if you've got money to burn and you might find a use for it in other gameplay...might not be a terrible idea. Again, the key...money to burn. I've got a little loose change I could drop, but sure wouldn't to make myself "potentially" more competitive in a game that has issues that go much-much deeper than a high 100-mph fastball.
Just felt obliged to play devil's advocate. Somebody needs to before mom-and-dad are suddenly hit up for a ridiculously priced piece of hardware so Junior can be more "competitive"
Lol $5000 monitors, Did NASA have a yard sale or something?
No, before you reply with NASA ignorance, you should do a simple search.
HP Omen X Emperium 65. The crème de la crème my man. Well, put it this way, it's the one I would buy if money was no object. There are likely pricier ones.
But, I'm like most everyone in the world that likes to play console on the BFTV possible. It's a better experience.
I, personally would rather sacrifice a bit of speed for huge real estate. And, as I mentioned, the faster speeds is only in theory. I believe if a game is coded for a certain outcome..it really doesn't matter if you're using a NASA rocket-powered monitor or whatever. I also think network HAS to have a whole more to do with it if a game is not actually randomly painting animated outcomes.
And, the biggest reason, i've hooked up my Asus 32" with 144mhz and 1ms response..and it made no difference. I still had games where I couldn't touch a 99mph fastball and games where I was sometimes swinging early on 99mph. It's not the hardware...it's the software.
After that experiment (dozen games or so) I went back to the 65" LG TV.
If I'm going to watch animation play out with me not having a whole lot of control in the outcome, I at least want to watch the awesome animation on a huge screen.
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@raesONE said in Monitors are worth every penny:
@nflman2033 said in Monitors are worth every penny:
Yeah, i believe it, any time i see someone say that it doesn't, i just think it is a monitor user who doesn't want more people to have one to take away their advantage.
I have the money, but i just dont care enough to do it. Yeah i hate that RS pitch speeds make me look silly, but i don't want to play on a monitor, i love my 65 inch TV. So i will forever be a 500-600 player.
Sure, it helps. But I made WS on my TV same way as I do on my monitor. I actually went back to my 55" Samsung a few months ago to play some great single player games laid back and I was too lazy to switch back to my monitor. Using game mode I was still able to hit high heat on HOF.
So yeah a monitor does help for sure. But sometimes I see people make it seem as if having a monitor alone will make them a good player. That's just not the case. If you're mediocre on a TV, you're not gonna be good overnight just because you're now using a monitor.
Not wanting to argue your point. Convince me, though, what I'm about to say is cuckoo.
If you got a secret-weapon "faster" monitor you, in theory, could be reacting a bunch of milliseconds quicker than the guy using the TV "anchor". All other things being equal (with no possibility that the software/network makes a difference.-wink..wink) the monitor guy should almost always beat the TV guy.
It would be the biggest advantage imaginable. Like racing a Hellcat with a Prius. Even if the guy in the Hellcat was a terrible driver..he's going to eat the Prius.
Call me skeptical, but I think it's one of those power of suggestion thingies. If you believe something should make you better, you're going to start seeing new examples that were likely always there.
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The real question is:
Everybody talks about improved hitting when using a monitor, but does a monitor help locate your pitches more consistently and minimize "forced pitches over the middle of the plate?"
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@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
@ChArTeRBuS said in Monitors are worth every penny:
@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
Interesting post. Personally, I wouldn't put down anywhere from $1k to $5k for a large gaming monitor for this single game so you can catch up with a fastball. Especially, in all likelihood, it has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software. Or network or just plain ability level.
Bottom line, don't listen to others that say it's so. Rent one, borrow one, whatever...but before you decide to drop your hard-earned money make sure it's worth it.
But, if you've got money to burn and you might find a use for it in other gameplay...might not be a terrible idea. Again, the key...money to burn. I've got a little loose change I could drop, but sure wouldn't to make myself "potentially" more competitive in a game that has issues that go much-much deeper than a high 100-mph fastball.
Just felt obliged to play devil's advocate. Somebody needs to before mom-and-dad are suddenly hit up for a ridiculously priced piece of hardware so Junior can be more "competitive"
Lol $5000 monitors, Did NASA have a yard sale or something?
No, before you reply with NASA ignorance, you should do a simple search.
HP Omen X Emperium 65. The crème de la crème my man. Well, put it this way, it's the one I would buy if money was no object. There are likely pricier ones.
But, I'm like most everyone in the world that likes to play console on the BFTV possible. It's a better experience.
I, personally would rather sacrifice a bit of speed for huge real estate. And, as I mentioned, the faster speeds is only in theory. I believe if a game is coded for a certain outcome..it really doesn't matter if you're using a NASA rocket-powered monitor or whatever. I also think network HAS to have a whole more to do with it if a game is not actually randomly painting animated outcomes.
And, the biggest reason, i've hooked up my Asus 32" with 144mhz and 1ms response..and it made no difference. I still had games where I couldn't touch a 99mph fastball and games where I was sometimes swinging early on 99mph. It's not the hardware...it's the software.
After that experiment (dozen games or so) I went back to the 65" LG TV.
If I'm going to watch animation play out with me not having a whole lot of control in the outcome, I at least want to watch the awesome animation on a huge screen.
Lol I should do research so you can run on and on about random outcomes effected by XP level based tilting you’ve hidden in your rant about $5000 monitors I don’t need when the game plays fastest on 1080p?
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@ChArTeRBuS said in Monitors are worth every penny:
@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
@ChArTeRBuS said in Monitors are worth every penny:
@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
Interesting post. Personally, I wouldn't put down anywhere from $1k to $5k for a large gaming monitor for this single game so you can catch up with a fastball. Especially, in all likelihood, it has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software. Or network or just plain ability level.
Bottom line, don't listen to others that say it's so. Rent one, borrow one, whatever...but before you decide to drop your hard-earned money make sure it's worth it.
But, if you've got money to burn and you might find a use for it in other gameplay...might not be a terrible idea. Again, the key...money to burn. I've got a little loose change I could drop, but sure wouldn't to make myself "potentially" more competitive in a game that has issues that go much-much deeper than a high 100-mph fastball.
Just felt obliged to play devil's advocate. Somebody needs to before mom-and-dad are suddenly hit up for a ridiculously priced piece of hardware so Junior can be more "competitive"
Lol $5000 monitors, Did NASA have a yard sale or something?
No, before you reply with NASA ignorance, you should do a simple search.
HP Omen X Emperium 65. The crème de la crème my man. Well, put it this way, it's the one I would buy if money was no object. There are likely pricier ones.
But, I'm like most everyone in the world that likes to play console on the BFTV possible. It's a better experience.
I, personally would rather sacrifice a bit of speed for huge real estate. And, as I mentioned, the faster speeds is only in theory. I believe if a game is coded for a certain outcome..it really doesn't matter if you're using a NASA rocket-powered monitor or whatever. I also think network HAS to have a whole more to do with it if a game is not actually randomly painting animated outcomes.
And, the biggest reason, i've hooked up my Asus 32" with 144mhz and 1ms response..and it made no difference. I still had games where I couldn't touch a 99mph fastball and games where I was sometimes swinging early on 99mph. It's not the hardware...it's the software.
After that experiment (dozen games or so) I went back to the 65" LG TV.
If I'm going to watch animation play out with me not having a whole lot of control in the outcome, I at least want to watch the awesome animation on a huge screen.
Lol I should do research so you can run on and on about random outcomes effected by XP level based tilting you’ve hidden in your rant about $5000 monitors I don’t need when the game plays fastest on 1080p?
Whatever dude. It is what it is. All the denying ain't gonna change it.
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I’m playing on a 55 inch tv and I’ve tried the monitor but I found it just as easy to hit when I go into the ps4 sound and screen options and shrink the display area. So instead of a 55 inch, it’s more like 30 or so inches for the screen size
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I just bought a monitor on friday. I find it easier to read pitches and get my pci to the ball but it isn’t going to make you a great player overnight. I was struggling to get out of the 400’s now I’m at 615. Everything seems cleaner and I am striking out less.
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@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
Interesting post. Personally, I wouldn't put down anywhere from $1k to $5k for a large gaming monitor for this single game so you can catch up with a fastball. Especially, in all likelihood, it has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software. Or network or just plain ability level.
Bottom line, don't listen to others that say it's so. Rent one, borrow one, whatever...but before you decide to drop your hard-earned money make sure it's worth it.
But, if you've got money to burn and you might find a use for it in other gameplay...might not be a terrible idea. Again, the key...money to burn. I've got a little loose change I could drop, but sure wouldn't to make myself "potentially" more competitive in a game that has issues that go much-much deeper than a high 100-mph fastball.
Just felt obliged to play devil's advocate. Somebody needs to before mom-and-dad are suddenly hit up for a ridiculously priced piece of hardware so Junior can be more "competitive"
1-5k....Lol!
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@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
Not wanting to argue your point. Convince me, though, what I'm about to say is cuckoo.
If you got a secret-weapon "faster" monitor you, in theory, could be reacting a bunch of milliseconds quicker than the guy using the TV "anchor". All other things being equal (with no possibility that the software/network makes a difference.-wink..wink) the monitor guy should almost always beat the TV guy.
It would be the biggest advantage imaginable. Like racing a Hellcat with a Prius. Even if the guy in the Hellcat was a terrible driver..he's going to eat the Prius.
Call me skeptical, but I think it's one of those power of suggestion thingies. If you believe something should make you better, you're going to start seeing new examples that were likely always there.
It all comes down to comparison of tv or monitor that is being used. I use a monitor and notice it does make a difference from the tv I used. If you have a high end tv that has a great game mode it’s not gonna be a big difference.
There’s also other factors that go into it but the biggest thing is the ps4 itself. If you go out and buy a $500+ Monitor that supports 4K 144hz etc. it’s pointless for the ps4 because it doesn’t support it and can’t render the image at that level so you have to downscale your monitors settings. To use your hellcat reference, it’s like owning a hellcat but it can’t exceed Prius thresholds. I have a solid monitor and purchased it with the intent of being able to use it on pc and the ps5, but can see I’m not getting the most out of my monitor right now.
Screen size also has an impact. The bigger the screen the more has to be rendered which can lead to slower response time. Most people I have seen comment on monitors the suggestion is 24 inch is the sweet spot and 27inch is the largest you should probably go.
So to address your summary about it basically being a placebo effect is incorrect. If you have a high quality TV that can render the image in a comparable fashion to a monitor, which I’m guessing a vast majority of players do not, then there’s no point in switching. But if you don’t have a high quality tv than a monitor is a better option. You can get a monitor for $250 that will be the exact same as using a $1000-$5000 monitor because the ps4 doesn’t support the capabilities of the high end monitor.
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@eelnirad_anglo said in Monitors are worth every penny:
@raesONE said in Monitors are worth every penny:
@nflman2033 said in Monitors are worth every penny:
Yeah, i believe it, any time i see someone say that it doesn't, i just think it is a monitor user who doesn't want more people to have one to take away their advantage.
I have the money, but i just dont care enough to do it. Yeah i hate that RS pitch speeds make me look silly, but i don't want to play on a monitor, i love my 65 inch TV. So i will forever be a 500-600 player.
Sure, it helps. But I made WS on my TV same way as I do on my monitor. I actually went back to my 55" Samsung a few months ago to play some great single player games laid back and I was too lazy to switch back to my monitor. Using game mode I was still able to hit high heat on HOF.
So yeah a monitor does help for sure. But sometimes I see people make it seem as if having a monitor alone will make them a good player. That's just not the case. If you're mediocre on a TV, you're not gonna be good overnight just because you're now using a monitor.
Not wanting to argue your point. Convince me, though, what I'm about to say is cuckoo.
If you got a secret-weapon "faster" monitor you, in theory, could be reacting a bunch of milliseconds quicker than the guy using the TV "anchor". All other things being equal (with no possibility that the software/network makes a difference.-wink..wink) the monitor guy should almost always beat the TV guy.
It would be the biggest advantage imaginable. Like racing a Hellcat with a Prius. Even if the guy in the Hellcat was a terrible driver..he's going to eat the Prius.
Call me skeptical, but I think it's one of those power of suggestion thingies. If you believe something should make you better, you're going to start seeing new examples that were likely always there.
The difference between a monitor and a newer TV in game mode is literally just milliseconds. Some TVs in game mode have lower input lag than others, but the difference is never that significant and a lot of newer TVs actually have similar input lag numbers as monitors do while running on game mode. I made a case about this earlier on this forum and I provided actual numbers as facts to back up these claims using reviews where input lag numbers were measured.
Something that is a lot harder to measure is human reaction time. It differs tremendously from user to user. That is something people always tend to overlook; the hardware is just a tool and the real difference comes with the user.
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I bought a 1ms 23 inch acer monitor a few weeks ago and I did notice the difference right away in being able to pickup pitches better. I made WS on TV in prior years but it’s just a smoother experience with monitor
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I am thinking about getting a monitor. I am guessing that the seams and rotation on each pitch from an opponent would be more clear. I'm guessing that "red railroad tracks", metaphorically, would resemble the seams on pitches seen on a monitor, as opposed to a "white and gray blur" that may be more commonly seen on a TV?
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@Styxx22 said in Monitors are worth every penny:
I just bought a monitor on friday. I find it easier to read pitches and get my pci to the ball but it isn’t going to make you a great player overnight. I was struggling to get out of the 400’s now I’m at 615. Everything seems cleaner and I am striking out less.
Exactly the point. I bought a 27 inch curved Samsung and it's much better and it was only $170. I still strike out too much because I'm not patient.
The difference is that when I was playing on my 65 inch TV, even when my timing was good, I was missing.
That is not the case now, Im hitting those pitches.
I recently had a game where I won 11-1 with 5 Hrs, never ever came close to that before.
Do I think it stinks that to be able to play a game and compete you have to buy a monitor, sure.
The way I see it is that most pro gamers play on monitors, it's just that this is what they were made for. I was skeptical, but I believe in it. Only thing is though, my eyes are getting bad so it's not as clear as it is with reading glasses but that's my issue obviously. -
@onnagood1 said in Monitors are worth every penny:
The real question is:
Everybody talks about improved hitting when using a monitor, but does a monitor help locate your pitches more consistently and minimize "forced pitches over the middle of the plate?"
The pitching is still bad, however, I use pulse and decreased input lag has been immediately noticeable in terms of not being late or early when my timing was perfect. The game mechanics are just bad for pitching, but even my pitching has made a small improvement playing on a monitor
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