2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP
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@esmlb_rop said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@esmlb_rop said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
Or you can learn to hit same handedness and this will never be an issue again.
I can hit same handed, but there's no point in putting myself at a disadvantage against elite pitching just for the sake of it
Well since it goes both ways for you and your opponent, what does it matter? If you can hit same handedness you should actually have an advantage, no?
I'd imagine most would rather face Britton\Sale with a righty at the plate instead of a lefty
See that's where we have a different approach. Instead of asking to change the game because I would rather have an advantage with the match up, I embrace the challenge of hitting lefty/lefty or righty/righty.
This also actually ADDS strategy, opposed to what the other guy said earlier, because you can construct your lineup so that you will have at least 1 and maybe even 2 favorable match ups per inning, now that the 3 batter minimum is implemented. And you could even bring in an opposite handed batter in late game situation, which is another layer of strategy.
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There’s different strategies for both scenarios. I hit same handedness fairly decent so the only thing that would change for me is just the order of my lineup and maybe 1 or two different players in my lineup. Which is generally the only thing that changes in the real MLB too.
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@Hikes83 said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
Of course they do. But they won’t put 9 straight righties or lefties like 90% of this community would do
They also don’t bring in starters in relief like 99% of the community does, yet we have that joke of a strategy now...
And for those that defend it saying it’s like a playoff game where you see teams bring in starters, that strategy doesn’t work that great, just ask dodgers fans
Even with them allowing righty/lefty specific lineups won’t actually work. The fact that you can bring starters in relief negates this whole argument. Say my starters have almost no energy but I have a lefty on my bench who I don’t like throwing that much, I can start a crappy righty, force the system to put in my opponents vs righty’s lineup and then face three batters take him out and put in the lefty and have the advantage the rest of the game
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@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@esmlb_rop said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@esmlb_rop said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
Or you can learn to hit same handedness and this will never be an issue again.
I can hit same handed, but there's no point in putting myself at a disadvantage against elite pitching just for the sake of it
Well since it goes both ways for you and your opponent, what does it matter? If you can hit same handedness you should actually have an advantage, no?
I'd imagine most would rather face Britton\Sale with a righty at the plate instead of a lefty
See that's where we have a different approach. Instead of asking to change the game because I would rather have an advantage with the match up, I embrace the challenge of hitting lefty/lefty or righty/righty.
This also actually ADDS strategy, opposed to what the other guy said earlier, because you can construct your lineup so that you will have at least 1 and maybe even 2 favorable match ups per inning, now that the 3 batter minimum is implemented. And you could even bring in an opposite handed batter in late game situation, which is another layer of strategy.
More power to you if you embrace same sided hitting, but my all switch lineup gives me a platoon advantage in every at bat instead of settling for 1 or 2 favorable match ups an inning. It's a difference in approach like you mentioned
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MLB players get benched against certain-handed pitchers. The people on here saying "learn how to hit same handed" are trolls. They understand strategy but like to sound arrogant and better than everyone else. I think having two line-ups makes perfect sense. And yes, I can hit same handed, but most players in the game have more contact and power against the opposite hand. Period.
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@Serafim42-zaphod said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
MLB players get benched against certain-handed pitchers. The people on here saying "learn how to hit same handed" are trolls. They understand strategy but like to sound arrogant and better than everyone else. I think having two line-ups makes perfect sense. And yes, I can hit same handed, but most players in the game have more contact and power against the opposite hand. Period.
Okay, first of all I'm not a troll at all. And by saying that someone who opposes your opinion is a troll, does not make your opinion carry more weight. That's just middle school rhetoric.
But I do have an honest question for you based on your comment:
If I am better than you and I say this out loud, not to brag or to bash you, but merely as a reply to what you yourself implied, does that make me arrogant? Curious about your perspective.
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There's a reason platoon players exist in real life... I hate carrying someone who mashes from 1 side to only use as a PH. It's a stupid workaround they put in years ago to stop people from quitting games when they see their opponent's starting pitcher's handedness. They don't even need to go as far as having preset lineups (based obviously on your 25 man squad) if they would at least show you in the set lineup screen if you are facing a LH/RH. Otherwise all these guys with trash stats from 1 side never get starts.
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@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@Serafim42-zaphod said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
MLB players get benched against certain-handed pitchers. The people on here saying "learn how to hit same handed" are trolls. They understand strategy but like to sound arrogant and better than everyone else. I think having two line-ups makes perfect sense. And yes, I can hit same handed, but most players in the game have more contact and power against the opposite hand. Period.
Okay, first of all I'm not a troll at all. And by saying that someone who opposes your opinion is a troll, does not make your opinion carry more weight. That's just middle school rhetoric.
But I do have an honest question for you based on your comment:
If I am better than you and I say this out loud, not to brag or to bash you, but merely as a reply to what you yourself implied, does that make me arrogant? Curious about your perspective.
Your first comment was "Or you can learn to hit same handedness and this will never be an issue again," implying that the poster somehow did not know how to play the game. Of course it will be an issue:
Having specialists against RHP and LHP is a part of the game. To imply they just need to learn how to hit was condescending and shows a lack of understanding of baseball, to be honest.
Even the best player on this game (whoever they may be) knows Hank Aaron is going to hit a lefty pitcher better than Babe Ruth.
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@esmlb_rop said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
Starting pitchers can be brought in as relievers at any time now at preserved stamina, so it shouldn't be an issue seeing potential opposing lineups of all same handed hitting (with the opponent's dilemma of burning through their bench early on). I have an all switch hitting squad so I'm not really affected by the forced use of a single main lineup, but it would still be nice to start certain players higher or lower in the order depending on pitcher handedness.
I don't see the problem with having 2 default lineups that lock in pre-game (utilizing only the 13 position player pool in a 25 man roster). No backing out after the loading screen revealing both teams comes up
Love this idea
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@Serafim42-zaphod said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@Serafim42-zaphod said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
MLB players get benched against certain-handed pitchers. The people on here saying "learn how to hit same handed" are trolls. They understand strategy but like to sound arrogant and better than everyone else. I think having two line-ups makes perfect sense. And yes, I can hit same handed, but most players in the game have more contact and power against the opposite hand. Period.
Okay, first of all I'm not a troll at all. And by saying that someone who opposes your opinion is a troll, does not make your opinion carry more weight. That's just middle school rhetoric.
But I do have an honest question for you based on your comment:
If I am better than you and I say this out loud, not to brag or to bash you, but merely as a reply to what you yourself implied, does that make me arrogant? Curious about your perspective.
Your first comment was "Or you can learn to hit same handedness and this will never be an issue again," implying that the poster somehow did not know how to play the game. Of course it will be an issue:
Having specialists against RHP and LHP is a part of the game. To imply they just need to learn how to hit was condescending and shows a lack of understanding of baseball, to be honest.
Even the best player on this game (whoever they may be) knows Hank Aaron is going to hit a lefty pitcher better than Babe Ruth.
Okay, maybe not the best example. Ruth has better number than Aaron against both, but Aaron hit better against lefites, and Ruth hit better against righties.
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I’m totally for this as managers in real life have the ability to use their roster to set up a lineup against that day’s opponent starter. If you’re arguing against this in any way and only saying “git gud,” it’s a bad response. All the OP was saying is it would be nice to be able to do this with a 25-man roster (not have completely different lineups) and I don’t see the problem. It would be nice and I agree.
Something also mentioned in here brought this to mind: why can’t we see the opponents bench? We can see their bullpen but not the bench. In real life, you know what bench players the opponent has. If you’re Tony LaRussa, you know if your opponent has and can go to Kirk Gibson in the late innings if they choose.
I can hit same handed and gotten much better lefty-lefty this year and I have a really good main lineup. But it would be nice to be able to platoon in one or two spots.
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@Serafim42-zaphod said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@Serafim42-zaphod said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@Serafim42-zaphod said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
MLB players get benched against certain-handed pitchers. The people on here saying "learn how to hit same handed" are trolls. They understand strategy but like to sound arrogant and better than everyone else. I think having two line-ups makes perfect sense. And yes, I can hit same handed, but most players in the game have more contact and power against the opposite hand. Period.
Okay, first of all I'm not a troll at all. And by saying that someone who opposes your opinion is a troll, does not make your opinion carry more weight. That's just middle school rhetoric.
But I do have an honest question for you based on your comment:
If I am better than you and I say this out loud, not to brag or to bash you, but merely as a reply to what you yourself implied, does that make me arrogant? Curious about your perspective.
Your first comment was "Or you can learn to hit same handedness and this will never be an issue again," implying that the poster somehow did not know how to play the game. Of course it will be an issue:
Having specialists against RHP and LHP is a part of the game. To imply they just need to learn how to hit was condescending and shows a lack of understanding of baseball, to be honest.
Even the best player on this game (whoever they may be) knows Hank Aaron is going to hit a lefty pitcher better than Babe Ruth.
Okay, maybe not the best example. Ruth has better number than Aaron against both, but Aaron hit better against lefites, and Ruth hit better against righties.
You completely missed the point I made throughout this entire thread, which is impressive in it's own way. Basically what I said is that I understand that it's easier to hit opposite handedness and I know in MLB most guys hit better that way too. It's common knowledge. But instead of asking to change the game for that reason, you could just embrace the challenge of hitting same handedness. It's the same for everyone so nobody has an advantage. And you can always use switch hitters exclusively if it's THAT big of a deal for you, like the other guy said he does.
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In 16 The Show, you could see if you were facing a righty or lefty before the game started. You could change your lineup prior to the start of the game and fill your lineup with all righties of lefties. People complained heavily because most people would bail before the game started if they were facing a lefty starter. This is why it forever changed. The fix now is load your lineup with switch hitters. There are enough diamonds in the game to load your lineup with switch hitters they are not always high diamonds though.
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@TEXAS10PT said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
In 16 The Show, you could see if you were facing a righty or lefty before the game started. You could change your lineup prior to the start of the game and fill your lineup with all righties of lefties. People complained heavily because most people would bail before the game started if they were facing a lefty starter. This is why it forever changed. The fix now is load your lineup with switch hitters. There are enough diamonds in the game to load your lineup with switch hitters they are not always high diamonds though.
Most people arguing about this probably didn't even play 16 so they wouldn't know this was once a thing that got a ton of criticism.
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If this was the case, why wouldnt someone switch after 3 batters? Start a righty and switcbb to a lefty.
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@The_Joneser said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
I'm comfortable with my line up against anyone, lefty or righty I really don't care.
You're so awesome. So devil-may-care...
You know what's real strategy? Constructing a balanced line up because you don't know who you're going to face. Making a platoon line up is not strategy, that's self explanatory and everybody and their momma can think of doing that.
Yep. Because platoons are self explanatory. That makes perfect sense. And nobody loves a platoon like my momma does.
Really, though, some people may like to play the cards of their favorite players, and some of those players may have unfavorable splits. Or maybe they just like to have a particular player bat 5th against righties and 7th against lefties... you know, like in baseball.
Maybe you should just stop being a [censored].
Or you can scroll along and mind your own business if I annoy you. You could also mute me or block me, which I'm about to do with you at this very moment.
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@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@The_Joneser said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
I'm comfortable with my line up against anyone, lefty or righty I really don't care.
You're so awesome. So devil-may-care...
You know what's real strategy? Constructing a balanced line up because you don't know who you're going to face. Making a platoon line up is not strategy, that's self explanatory and everybody and their momma can think of doing that.
Yep. Because platoons are self explanatory. That makes perfect sense. And nobody loves a platoon like my momma does.
Really, though, some people may like to play the cards of their favorite players, and some of those players may have unfavorable splits. Or maybe they just like to have a particular player bat 5th against righties and 7th against lefties... you know, like in baseball.
Maybe you should just stop being a [censored].
Or you can scroll along and mind your own business if I annoy you. You could also mute me or block me, which I'm about to do with you at this very moment.
This got out of hand. We can all just agree to disagree. I understand now why you don't want the additional lineup to be added. Just don't think "get good" was the best way to say it. If it does give you an advantage, then I don't blame you for wanting it to stay the same. Just think it's a good way to add another element.
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@T-mac4pro said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@The_Joneser said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
I'm comfortable with my line up against anyone, lefty or righty I really don't care.
You're so awesome. So devil-may-care...
You know what's real strategy? Constructing a balanced line up because you don't know who you're going to face. Making a platoon line up is not strategy, that's self explanatory and everybody and their momma can think of doing that.
Yep. Because platoons are self explanatory. That makes perfect sense. And nobody loves a platoon like my momma does.
Really, though, some people may like to play the cards of their favorite players, and some of those players may have unfavorable splits. Or maybe they just like to have a particular player bat 5th against righties and 7th against lefties... you know, like in baseball.
Maybe you should just stop being a [censored].
Or you can scroll along and mind your own business if I annoy you. You could also mute me or block me, which I'm about to do with you at this very moment.
This got out of hand. We can all just agree to disagree. I understand now why you don't want the additional lineup to be added. Just don't think "get good" was the best way to say it. If it does give you an advantage, then I don't blame you for wanting it to stay the same. Just think it's a good way to add another element.
If I would've said it like that, I would agree with you. But I added a whole lot more nuance to it and provided arguments to back up my opinion. But it's okay, I have no beef with you despite you calling me a noob. You already explained that you didn't mean it in that literal context so I didn't take offense after that. The other guy is just straight up calling me out though, out of nowhere really. No need for those type of people.
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@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@T-mac4pro said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@The_Joneser said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
@raesONE said in 2 preset lineups vs LHP\RHP:
I'm comfortable with my line up against anyone, lefty or righty I really don't care.
You're so awesome. So devil-may-care...
You know what's real strategy? Constructing a balanced line up because you don't know who you're going to face. Making a platoon line up is not strategy, that's self explanatory and everybody and their momma can think of doing that.
Yep. Because platoons are self explanatory. That makes perfect sense. And nobody loves a platoon like my momma does.
Really, though, some people may like to play the cards of their favorite players, and some of those players may have unfavorable splits. Or maybe they just like to have a particular player bat 5th against righties and 7th against lefties... you know, like in baseball.
Maybe you should just stop being a [censored].
Or you can scroll along and mind your own business if I annoy you. You could also mute me or block me, which I'm about to do with you at this very moment.
This got out of hand. We can all just agree to disagree. I understand now why you don't want the additional lineup to be added. Just don't think "get good" was the best way to say it. If it does give you an advantage, then I don't blame you for wanting it to stay the same. Just think it's a good way to add another element.
If I would've said it like that, I would agree with you. But I added a whole lot more nuance to it and provided arguments to back up my opinion. But it's okay, I have no beef with you despite you calling me a noob. You already explained that you didn't mean it in that literal context so I didn't take offense after that. The other guy is just straight up calling me out though, out of nowhere really. No need for those type of people.
Yeah I got a little heated at first haha my bad. Obviously this topic did spark up some solid debate though.
