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@TonyTheTiger2k16 you are the ultimate in punish players for being good because you’re not at that level.
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This is why I gave up on BR so so so long ago. it's not worth for me to spend stubs to enter when I know i will never get passed 2 or 3 wins based on the caliber of other players I am being matched with. Even within Events I average 0-2 wins per entry & I have to re-enter like 20-25 times to finally get the total wins needed to gain the rewards of it due to being out matched by guys playing at WS level. I'm a PS player at best within RS & usually bounce up & down within PS/WC. No way I can compete skill wise against those in CS & WS. It is so freaking frustrating when I get matched with these level players most of the time within Events.
Something has to change to match players better based on playing skill level with both BR & Events.
So why should I have to play better opponents in BR than you to get rewards? That makes no sense and punishes a player for being good..
Because if someone is a caliber WS level player, then they should have to grind for their wins ALL their wins against other players at their skill level, not be handed easy freaking guaranteed wins against those at lower skill levels. They need to do this within RS just so they can stay within WS consistently. Therefore in BR or Events, players should be match better accordingly & reflecting off their RS Level.
So you should be rewarded for being a worse player by having an easier time to a reward of a 600 thousand stub player? Lol ok
NO!!!!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!! I need to still grind & earn my wins just like everyone else. but it is a very HUGE DIFFERENCE when I am playing someone matching my own skill level of play rather then someone so much more advanced. I may never be CS or WS player & PS may be my ceiling, I get that & that's ok with me. RS is formatted that way to separate those levels of play. However BR & Events is not & that is what makes it highly disadvantaged for lower tier players when being mostly matched against top tier players straight from the gate. It's not even a fair ladder to climb. You enter BR or Events & the 1st very game is against someone that's a WS banner, 400+wins & most likely a 300 Diamond level if it were able to go past the 100 max.
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This is why I gave up on BR so so so long ago. it's not worth for me to spend stubs to enter when I know i will never get passed 2 or 3 wins based on the caliber of other players I am being matched with. Even within Events I average 0-2 wins per entry & I have to re-enter like 20-25 times to finally get the total wins needed to gain the rewards of it due to being out matched by guys playing at WS level. I'm a PS player at best within RS & usually bounce up & down within PS/WC. No way I can compete skill wise against those in CS & WS. It is so freaking frustrating when I get matched with these level players most of the time within Events.
Something has to change to match players better based on playing skill level with both BR & Events.
So why should I have to play better opponents in BR than you to get rewards? That makes no sense and punishes a player for being good..
Because if someone is a caliber WS level player, then they should have to grind for their wins ALL their wins against other players at their skill level, not be handed easy freaking guaranteed wins against those at lower skill levels. They need to do this within RS just so they can stay within WS consistently. Therefore in BR or Events, players should be match better accordingly & reflecting off their RS Level.
So you should be rewarded for being a worse player by having an easier time to a reward of a 600 thousand stub player? Lol ok
NO!!!!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!! I need to still grind & earn my wins just like everyone else. but it is a very HUGE DIFFERENCE when I am playing someone matching my own skill level of play rather then someone so much more advanced. I may never be CS or WS player & PS may be my ceiling, I get that & that's ok with me. RS is formatted that way to separate those levels of play. However BR & Events is not & that is what makes it highly disadvantaged for lower tier players when being mostly matched against top tier players straight from the gate. It's not even a fair ladder to climb. You enter BR or Events & the 1st very game is against someone that's a WS banner, 400+wins & most likely a 300 Diamond level if it were able to go past the 100 max.
Of course it’s disadvantaged for lower tier players that’s why BR has great rewards that are worth more than getting to World Series, because even for great players going 12-0 in BR is more difficult than making World Series, now you’re going to say to win 12 games in events/BR people should have to run a gauntlet of the best players in the game to get there? The answer here is for you to get better, not to punish good players for being good.
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This is why in events there are cumulative rewards, so for lower tier players you can still get a reward no matter how many games you lose.
If you’re not good enough to get a streak reward in BR or events your choices are;
- Get better so you can get streak rewards
- Be ok with your skill level and know you’re not going to get a streak reward worth anything
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Also,
XP literally means nothing.
Ranked seasons doesn’t reward you for winning streaks so yea it can separate based on difficulty, BR and events you can never do that.
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@skepple15 said in Online rating:
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This is why I gave up on BR so so so long ago. it's not worth for me to spend stubs to enter when I know i will never get passed 2 or 3 wins based on the caliber of other players I am being matched with. Even within Events I average 0-2 wins per entry & I have to re-enter like 20-25 times to finally get the total wins needed to gain the rewards of it due to being out matched by guys playing at WS level. I'm a PS player at best within RS & usually bounce up & down within PS/WC. No way I can compete skill wise against those in CS & WS. It is so freaking frustrating when I get matched with these level players most of the time within Events.
Something has to change to match players better based on playing skill level with both BR & Events.
So why should I have to play better opponents in BR than you to get rewards? That makes no sense and punishes a player for being good..
Because if someone is a caliber WS level player, then they should have to grind for their wins ALL their wins against other players at their skill level, not be handed easy freaking guaranteed wins against those at lower skill levels. They need to do this within RS just so they can stay within WS consistently. Therefore in BR or Events, players should be match better accordingly & reflecting off their RS Level.
So you should be rewarded for being a worse player by having an easier time to a reward of a 600 thousand stub player? Lol ok
NO!!!!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!! I need to still grind & earn my wins just like everyone else. but it is a very HUGE DIFFERENCE when I am playing someone matching my own skill level of play rather then someone so much more advanced. I may never be CS or WS player & PS may be my ceiling, I get that & that's ok with me. RS is formatted that way to separate those levels of play. However BR & Events is not & that is what makes it highly disadvantaged for lower tier players when being mostly matched against top tier players straight from the gate. It's not even a fair ladder to climb. You enter BR or Events & the 1st very game is against someone that's a WS banner, 400+wins & most likely a 300 Diamond level if it were able to go past the 100 max.
Of course it’s disadvantaged for lower tier players that’s why BR has great rewards that are worth more than getting to World Series, because even for great players going 12-0 in BR is more difficult than making World Series, now you’re going to say to win 12 games in events/BR people should have to run a gauntlet of the best players in the game to get there? The answer here is for you to get better, not to punish good players for being good.
Those "GOOD" players you speak of are not being punished in no way at all because they already have the skill & talent to play this "Video Game" (because it is a video game & not a real game) better then most in here. Therefore they will get their wins no matter who they play because they are that good. However if Events & BR were to match players on skill level like RS does, then the games would be evenly matched by skill & just boils down to who out plays they other & wins. So lets say I enter BR & play games 1-3 against low tier players & I win, then games 4-6 would be against mid tier players, then games 7-9 against top tier players & finally games 10-12 against elite tier players. Then a ladder like that makes sense. I surely wouldn't be able to make it past 7-8 wins within a ladder like that, but at least I were able to earn the rewards up until that point rather then outright eliminated within 1st 2 games due to being matched against top tier & elite tier players. THIS IS THE POINT YOU ARE NOT GETTING
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This is why I gave up on BR so so so long ago. it's not worth for me to spend stubs to enter when I know i will never get passed 2 or 3 wins based on the caliber of other players I am being matched with. Even within Events I average 0-2 wins per entry & I have to re-enter like 20-25 times to finally get the total wins needed to gain the rewards of it due to being out matched by guys playing at WS level. I'm a PS player at best within RS & usually bounce up & down within PS/WC. No way I can compete skill wise against those in CS & WS. It is so freaking frustrating when I get matched with these level players most of the time within Events.
Something has to change to match players better based on playing skill level with both BR & Events.
So why should I have to play better opponents in BR than you to get rewards? That makes no sense and punishes a player for being good..
Because if someone is a caliber WS level player, then they should have to grind for their wins ALL their wins against other players at their skill level, not be handed easy freaking guaranteed wins against those at lower skill levels. They need to do this within RS just so they can stay within WS consistently. Therefore in BR or Events, players should be match better accordingly & reflecting off their RS Level.
So you should be rewarded for being a worse player by having an easier time to a reward of a 600 thousand stub player? Lol ok
NO!!!!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!! I need to still grind & earn my wins just like everyone else. but it is a very HUGE DIFFERENCE when I am playing someone matching my own skill level of play rather then someone so much more advanced. I may never be CS or WS player & PS may be my ceiling, I get that & that's ok with me. RS is formatted that way to separate those levels of play. However BR & Events is not & that is what makes it highly disadvantaged for lower tier players when being mostly matched against top tier players straight from the gate. It's not even a fair ladder to climb. You enter BR or Events & the 1st very game is against someone that's a WS banner, 400+wins & most likely a 300 Diamond level if it were able to go past the 100 max.
Of course it’s disadvantaged for lower tier players that’s why BR has great rewards that are worth more than getting to World Series, because even for great players going 12-0 in BR is more difficult than making World Series, now you’re going to say to win 12 games in events/BR people should have to run a gauntlet of the best players in the game to get there? The answer here is for you to get better, not to punish good players for being good.
Those "GOOD" players you speak of are not being punished in no way at all because they already have the skill & talent to play this "Video Game" (because it is a video game & not a real game) better then most in here. Therefore they will get their wins no matter who they play because they are that good. However if Events & BR were to match players on skill level like RS does, then the games would be evenly matched by skill & just boils down to who out plays they other & wins. So lets say I enter BR & play games 1-3 against low tier players & I win, then games 4-6 would be against mid tier players, then games 7-9 against top tier players & finally games 10-12 against elite tier players. Then a ladder like that makes sense. I surely wouldn't be able to make it past 7-8 wins within a ladder like that, but at least I were able to earn the rewards up until that point rather then outright eliminated within 1st 2 games due to being matched against top tier & elite tier players. THIS IS THE POINT YOU ARE NOT GETTING
That’s not true at all, if you match up the best against the best they’re not winning 12 consistently. That’s why the tournaments that we have had I don’t think there’s been the same winner of 2 tournaments. So why would I not play games 1-3 against lower tier players? I just have to play the top players all 12 games? That’s punishing me for being good and rewarding you for not being good?
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This is why I gave up on BR so so so long ago. it's not worth for me to spend stubs to enter when I know i will never get passed 2 or 3 wins based on the caliber of other players I am being matched with. Even within Events I average 0-2 wins per entry & I have to re-enter like 20-25 times to finally get the total wins needed to gain the rewards of it due to being out matched by guys playing at WS level. I'm a PS player at best within RS & usually bounce up & down within PS/WC. No way I can compete skill wise against those in CS & WS. It is so freaking frustrating when I get matched with these level players most of the time within Events.
Something has to change to match players better based on playing skill level with both BR & Events.
So why should I have to play better opponents in BR than you to get rewards? That makes no sense and punishes a player for being good..
Because if someone is a caliber WS level player, then they should have to grind for their wins ALL their wins against other players at their skill level, not be handed easy freaking guaranteed wins against those at lower skill levels. They need to do this within RS just so they can stay within WS consistently. Therefore in BR or Events, players should be match better accordingly & reflecting off their RS Level.
So you should be rewarded for being a worse player by having an easier time to a reward of a 600 thousand stub player? Lol ok
NO!!!!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!! I need to still grind & earn my wins just like everyone else. but it is a very HUGE DIFFERENCE when I am playing someone matching my own skill level of play rather then someone so much more advanced. I may never be CS or WS player & PS may be my ceiling, I get that & that's ok with me. RS is formatted that way to separate those levels of play. However BR & Events is not & that is what makes it highly disadvantaged for lower tier players when being mostly matched against top tier players straight from the gate. It's not even a fair ladder to climb. You enter BR or Events & the 1st very game is against someone that's a WS banner, 400+wins & most likely a 300 Diamond level if it were able to go past the 100 max.
Of course it’s disadvantaged for lower tier players that’s why BR has great rewards that are worth more than getting to World Series, because even for great players going 12-0 in BR is more difficult than making World Series, now you’re going to say to win 12 games in events/BR people should have to run a gauntlet of the best players in the game to get there? The answer here is for you to get better, not to punish good players for being good.
Those "GOOD" players you speak of are not being punished in no way at all because they already have the skill & talent to play this "Video Game" (because it is a video game & not a real game) better then most in here. Therefore they will get their wins no matter who they play because they are that good. However if Events & BR were to match players on skill level like RS does, then the games would be evenly matched by skill & just boils down to who out plays they other & wins. So lets say I enter BR & play games 1-3 against low tier players & I win, then games 4-6 would be against mid tier players, then games 7-9 against top tier players & finally games 10-12 against elite tier players. Then a ladder like that makes sense. I surely wouldn't be able to make it past 7-8 wins within a ladder like that, but at least I were able to earn the rewards up until that point rather then outright eliminated within 1st 2 games due to being matched against top tier & elite tier players. THIS IS THE POINT YOU ARE NOT GETTING
In Ranked Seasons, the best players still start at a lower level. Your ladder idea is a good idea, but for it to be fair, ALL PLAYERS, would have to start at the lower levels for games 1-3 and work there way up. It's somewhat randomized, but already kinda works like that. You just gotta get good and have a little luck go your way.
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This is why I gave up on BR so so so long ago. it's not worth for me to spend stubs to enter when I know i will never get passed 2 or 3 wins based on the caliber of other players I am being matched with. Even within Events I average 0-2 wins per entry & I have to re-enter like 20-25 times to finally get the total wins needed to gain the rewards of it due to being out matched by guys playing at WS level. I'm a PS player at best within RS & usually bounce up & down within PS/WC. No way I can compete skill wise against those in CS & WS. It is so freaking frustrating when I get matched with these level players most of the time within Events.
Something has to change to match players better based on playing skill level with both BR & Events.
So why should I have to play better opponents in BR than you to get rewards? That makes no sense and punishes a player for being good..
Because if someone is a caliber WS level player, then they should have to grind for their wins ALL their wins against other players at their skill level, not be handed easy freaking guaranteed wins against those at lower skill levels. They need to do this within RS just so they can stay within WS consistently. Therefore in BR or Events, players should be match better accordingly & reflecting off their RS Level.
So you should be rewarded for being a worse player by having an easier time to a reward of a 600 thousand stub player? Lol ok
NO!!!!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!! I need to still grind & earn my wins just like everyone else. but it is a very HUGE DIFFERENCE when I am playing someone matching my own skill level of play rather then someone so much more advanced. I may never be CS or WS player & PS may be my ceiling, I get that & that's ok with me. RS is formatted that way to separate those levels of play. However BR & Events is not & that is what makes it highly disadvantaged for lower tier players when being mostly matched against top tier players straight from the gate. It's not even a fair ladder to climb. You enter BR or Events & the 1st very game is against someone that's a WS banner, 400+wins & most likely a 300 Diamond level if it were able to go past the 100 max.
Of course it’s disadvantaged for lower tier players that’s why BR has great rewards that are worth more than getting to World Series, because even for great players going 12-0 in BR is more difficult than making World Series, now you’re going to say to win 12 games in events/BR people should have to run a gauntlet of the best players in the game to get there? The answer here is for you to get better, not to punish good players for being good.
Those "GOOD" players you speak of are not being punished in no way at all because they already have the skill & talent to play this "Video Game" (because it is a video game & not a real game) better then most in here. Therefore they will get their wins no matter who they play because they are that good. However if Events & BR were to match players on skill level like RS does, then the games would be evenly matched by skill & just boils down to who out plays they other & wins. So lets say I enter BR & play games 1-3 against low tier players & I win, then games 4-6 would be against mid tier players, then games 7-9 against top tier players & finally games 10-12 against elite tier players. Then a ladder like that makes sense. I surely wouldn't be able to make it past 7-8 wins within a ladder like that, but at least I were able to earn the rewards up until that point rather then outright eliminated within 1st 2 games due to being matched against top tier & elite tier players. THIS IS THE POINT YOU ARE NOT GETTING
That’s not true at all, if you match up the best against the best they’re not winning 12 consistently. That’s why the tournaments that we have had I don’t think there’s been the same winner of 2 tournaments. So why would I not play games 1-3 against lower tier players? I just have to play the top players all 12 games? That’s punishing me for being good and rewarding you for not being good?
I understand both arguments, but there needs to be a middle ground for BR, because honestly skepple, nobody should be consistently going 12-0 in BR. Maybe your definition of consistently differs from mine, but I would consider it to be almost daily. RS and Events are a different story, first off RS. In RS you can adjust the slider to get matched up within your current ranking, so that issue is moot. The problem with the event matchup is your rating resets at every entry, if it kept a running ranking for each event and matched up accordingly that would be better.
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Don't know if this has any bearing on this argument; but the other week I watched a video (posted by someone on here) on how to draft a team and go 12-0 in BR.
Now I don't go into the drafting process, but what 'caught my eye' as the player saying that once you get a solid stream going (7-8 wins) you should let your search bar fill up as much as possible to get paired up with someone who has a lower streak (1-2 wins) so it's an 'easier' game.
- I don't think you can control how far your Search Bar fills, in BR, like you can in RS.
- If it is possible, which I doubt, then it does seem easier for people to go 12-0. (Some people will quit out of games, if they're already 0-1)
Now, im not saying that Snapple, or Tony, have a valid point. I see both sides of the argument.
I'm saying:
- If the poster of that video is correct, something needs adjusted to make it a fair field.
- I, imo, would rather play someone ranked higher than me; only for the fact that it helps make me a better player.
Besides, if you're constantly playing people that are the same skill level ad you; it would get monotonous(sp) fast.
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This is why I gave up on BR so so so long ago. it's not worth for me to spend stubs to enter when I know i will never get passed 2 or 3 wins based on the caliber of other players I am being matched with. Even within Events I average 0-2 wins per entry & I have to re-enter like 20-25 times to finally get the total wins needed to gain the rewards of it due to being out matched by guys playing at WS level. I'm a PS player at best within RS & usually bounce up & down within PS/WC. No way I can compete skill wise against those in CS & WS. It is so freaking frustrating when I get matched with these level players most of the time within Events.
Something has to change to match players better based on playing skill level with both BR & Events.
So why should I have to play better opponents in BR than you to get rewards? That makes no sense and punishes a player for being good..
Because if someone is a caliber WS level player, then they should have to grind for their wins ALL their wins against other players at their skill level, not be handed easy freaking guaranteed wins against those at lower skill levels. They need to do this within RS just so they can stay within WS consistently. Therefore in BR or Events, players should be match better accordingly & reflecting off their RS Level.
So you should be rewarded for being a worse player by having an easier time to a reward of a 600 thousand stub player? Lol ok
NO!!!!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!! I need to still grind & earn my wins just like everyone else. but it is a very HUGE DIFFERENCE when I am playing someone matching my own skill level of play rather then someone so much more advanced. I may never be CS or WS player & PS may be my ceiling, I get that & that's ok with me. RS is formatted that way to separate those levels of play. However BR & Events is not & that is what makes it highly disadvantaged for lower tier players when being mostly matched against top tier players straight from the gate. It's not even a fair ladder to climb. You enter BR or Events & the 1st very game is against someone that's a WS banner, 400+wins & most likely a 300 Diamond level if it were able to go past the 100 max.
Of course it’s disadvantaged for lower tier players that’s why BR has great rewards that are worth more than getting to World Series, because even for great players going 12-0 in BR is more difficult than making World Series, now you’re going to say to win 12 games in events/BR people should have to run a gauntlet of the best players in the game to get there? The answer here is for you to get better, not to punish good players for being good.
Those "GOOD" players you speak of are not being punished in no way at all because they already have the skill & talent to play this "Video Game" (because it is a video game & not a real game) better then most in here. Therefore they will get their wins no matter who they play because they are that good. However if Events & BR were to match players on skill level like RS does, then the games would be evenly matched by skill & just boils down to who out plays they other & wins. So lets say I enter BR & play games 1-3 against low tier players & I win, then games 4-6 would be against mid tier players, then games 7-9 against top tier players & finally games 10-12 against elite tier players. Then a ladder like that makes sense. I surely wouldn't be able to make it past 7-8 wins within a ladder like that, but at least I were able to earn the rewards up until that point rather then outright eliminated within 1st 2 games due to being matched against top tier & elite tier players. THIS IS THE POINT YOU ARE NOT GETTING
That’s not true at all, if you match up the best against the best they’re not winning 12 consistently. That’s why the tournaments that we have had I don’t think there’s been the same winner of 2 tournaments. So why would I not play games 1-3 against lower tier players? I just have to play the top players all 12 games? That’s punishing me for being good and rewarding you for not being good?
I understand both arguments, but there needs to be a middle ground for BR, because honestly skepple, nobody should be consistently going 12-0 in BR. Maybe your definition of consistently differs from mine, but I would consider it to be almost daily. RS and Events are a different story, first off RS. In RS you can adjust the slider to get matched up within your current ranking, so that issue is moot. The problem with the event matchup is your rating resets at every entry, if it kept a running ranking for each event and matched up accordingly that would be better.
Why should people not consistently go 12-0? I don’t understand that statement, if events kept a running ranking it would take forever to find a game
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Don't know if this has any bearing on this argument; but the other week I watched a video (posted by someone on here) on how to draft a team and go 12-0 in BR.
Now I don't go into the drafting process, but what 'caught my eye' as the player saying that once you get a solid stream going (7-8 wins) you should let your search bar fill up as much as possible to get paired up with someone who has a lower streak (1-2 wins) so it's an 'easier' game.
- I don't think you can control how far your Search Bar fills, in BR, like you can in RS.
- If it is possible, which I doubt, then it does seem easier for people to go 12-0. (Some people will quit out of games, if they're already 0-1)
Now, im not saying that Snapple, or Tony, have a valid point. I see both sides of the argument.
I'm saying:
- If the poster of that video is correct, something needs adjusted to make it a fair field.
- I, imo, would rather play someone ranked higher than me; only for the fact that it helps make me a better player.
Besides, if you're constantly playing people that are the same skill level ad you; it would get monotonous(sp) fast.
That is wrong, you can’t control your search bar in BR so that’s moot, also if you’re playing someone like me who’s at 1 or 2 wins when you’re at 11 that’s a lot different than playing Tony who’s at 1-2 wins..
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@GRIDxIRONxMAFIA said in Online rating:
Don't know if this has any bearing on this argument; but the other week I watched a video (posted by someone on here) on how to draft a team and go 12-0 in BR.
Now I don't go into the drafting process, but what 'caught my eye' as the player saying that once you get a solid stream going (7-8 wins) you should let your search bar fill up as much as possible to get paired up with someone who has a lower streak (1-2 wins) so it's an 'easier' game.
- I don't think you can control how far your Search Bar fills, in BR, like you can in RS.
- If it is possible, which I doubt, then it does seem easier for people to go 12-0. (Some people will quit out of games, if they're already 0-1)
Now, im not saying that Snapple, or Tony, have a valid point. I see both sides of the argument.
I'm saying:
- If the poster of that video is correct, something needs adjusted to make it a fair field.
- I, imo, would rather play someone ranked higher than me; only for the fact that it helps make me a better player.
Besides, if you're constantly playing people that are the same skill level ad you; it would get monotonous(sp) fast.
You can have every BEST top card drafted & have an edge over your opponent does with their drafted cards. But if he/she is just BETTER SKILLED with the controller then you are with timing his swings & placing the API to square up easier & quicker & as well locate their pitches more accurately & just knows how to mix up locations & speeds. Then he/she will still beat you regardless you having better cards. This is what makes these guys play at WS level consistently & go easily 12-0 in BR
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This is why I gave up on BR so so so long ago. it's not worth for me to spend stubs to enter when I know i will never get passed 2 or 3 wins based on the caliber of other players I am being matched with. Even within Events I average 0-2 wins per entry & I have to re-enter like 20-25 times to finally get the total wins needed to gain the rewards of it due to being out matched by guys playing at WS level. I'm a PS player at best within RS & usually bounce up & down within PS/WC. No way I can compete skill wise against those in CS & WS. It is so freaking frustrating when I get matched with these level players most of the time within Events.
Something has to change to match players better based on playing skill level with both BR & Events.
So why should I have to play better opponents in BR than you to get rewards? That makes no sense and punishes a player for being good..
Because if someone is a caliber WS level player, then they should have to grind for their wins ALL their wins against other players at their skill level, not be handed easy freaking guaranteed wins against those at lower skill levels. They need to do this within RS just so they can stay within WS consistently. Therefore in BR or Events, players should be match better accordingly & reflecting off their RS Level.
So you should be rewarded for being a worse player by having an easier time to a reward of a 600 thousand stub player? Lol ok
NO!!!!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!! I need to still grind & earn my wins just like everyone else. but it is a very HUGE DIFFERENCE when I am playing someone matching my own skill level of play rather then someone so much more advanced. I may never be CS or WS player & PS may be my ceiling, I get that & that's ok with me. RS is formatted that way to separate those levels of play. However BR & Events is not & that is what makes it highly disadvantaged for lower tier players when being mostly matched against top tier players straight from the gate. It's not even a fair ladder to climb. You enter BR or Events & the 1st very game is against someone that's a WS banner, 400+wins & most likely a 300 Diamond level if it were able to go past the 100 max.
Of course it’s disadvantaged for lower tier players that’s why BR has great rewards that are worth more than getting to World Series, because even for great players going 12-0 in BR is more difficult than making World Series, now you’re going to say to win 12 games in events/BR people should have to run a gauntlet of the best players in the game to get there? The answer here is for you to get better, not to punish good players for being good.
Those "GOOD" players you speak of are not being punished in no way at all because they already have the skill & talent to play this "Video Game" (because it is a video game & not a real game) better then most in here. Therefore they will get their wins no matter who they play because they are that good. However if Events & BR were to match players on skill level like RS does, then the games would be evenly matched by skill & just boils down to who out plays they other & wins. So lets say I enter BR & play games 1-3 against low tier players & I win, then games 4-6 would be against mid tier players, then games 7-9 against top tier players & finally games 10-12 against elite tier players. Then a ladder like that makes sense. I surely wouldn't be able to make it past 7-8 wins within a ladder like that, but at least I were able to earn the rewards up until that point rather then outright eliminated within 1st 2 games due to being matched against top tier & elite tier players. THIS IS THE POINT YOU ARE NOT GETTING
That’s not true at all, if you match up the best against the best they’re not winning 12 consistently. That’s why the tournaments that we have had I don’t think there’s been the same winner of 2 tournaments. So why would I not play games 1-3 against lower tier players? I just have to play the top players all 12 games? That’s punishing me for being good and rewarding you for not being good?
I understand both arguments, but there needs to be a middle ground for BR, because honestly skepple, nobody should be consistently going 12-0 in BR. Maybe your definition of consistently differs from mine, but I would consider it to be almost daily. RS and Events are a different story, first off RS. In RS you can adjust the slider to get matched up within your current ranking, so that issue is moot. The problem with the event matchup is your rating resets at every entry, if it kept a running ranking for each event and matched up accordingly that would be better.
Why should people not consistently go 12-0? I don’t understand that statement, if events kept a running ranking it would take forever to find a game
Pretty sure we can agree the rewards for BR are meant to be "rare" hence it's a mode that is not meant to be done with regularity. But like I said your opinion and mine might differ on what you consider consistently compared to my definition. So either you didn't read what I wrote or you didn't understand. And it would not take any longer to find a game for an event with a running ranking because the opponent with a similar ranking would be in a similar situation wins wise, but also, just like RS the meter would widen the search so eventually you'd get a game, would be up to the player if they wanted to wait that long to get a matchup or quit out and try again.
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Imagine complaining about not being as good as someone in events and whatnot, so let's just make it easier for you. Get better
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"I don't work as hard, or make as much money as you.... so, I want some of your money"
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@MrGamebred said in Online rating:
@TonyTheTiger2k16 said in Online rating:
@skepple15 said in Online rating:
@TonyTheTiger2k16 said in Online rating:
@skepple15 said in Online rating:
@TonyTheTiger2k16 said in Online rating:
@skepple15 said in Online rating:
@TonyTheTiger2k16 said in Online rating:
This is why I gave up on BR so so so long ago. it's not worth for me to spend stubs to enter when I know i will never get passed 2 or 3 wins based on the caliber of other players I am being matched with. Even within Events I average 0-2 wins per entry & I have to re-enter like 20-25 times to finally get the total wins needed to gain the rewards of it due to being out matched by guys playing at WS level. I'm a PS player at best within RS & usually bounce up & down within PS/WC. No way I can compete skill wise against those in CS & WS. It is so freaking frustrating when I get matched with these level players most of the time within Events.
Something has to change to match players better based on playing skill level with both BR & Events.
So why should I have to play better opponents in BR than you to get rewards? That makes no sense and punishes a player for being good..
Because if someone is a caliber WS level player, then they should have to grind for their wins ALL their wins against other players at their skill level, not be handed easy freaking guaranteed wins against those at lower skill levels. They need to do this within RS just so they can stay within WS consistently. Therefore in BR or Events, players should be match better accordingly & reflecting off their RS Level.
So you should be rewarded for being a worse player by having an easier time to a reward of a 600 thousand stub player? Lol ok
NO!!!!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!! I need to still grind & earn my wins just like everyone else. but it is a very HUGE DIFFERENCE when I am playing someone matching my own skill level of play rather then someone so much more advanced. I may never be CS or WS player & PS may be my ceiling, I get that & that's ok with me. RS is formatted that way to separate those levels of play. However BR & Events is not & that is what makes it highly disadvantaged for lower tier players when being mostly matched against top tier players straight from the gate. It's not even a fair ladder to climb. You enter BR or Events & the 1st very game is against someone that's a WS banner, 400+wins & most likely a 300 Diamond level if it were able to go past the 100 max.
Of course it’s disadvantaged for lower tier players that’s why BR has great rewards that are worth more than getting to World Series, because even for great players going 12-0 in BR is more difficult than making World Series, now you’re going to say to win 12 games in events/BR people should have to run a gauntlet of the best players in the game to get there? The answer here is for you to get better, not to punish good players for being good.
Those "GOOD" players you speak of are not being punished in no way at all because they already have the skill & talent to play this "Video Game" (because it is a video game & not a real game) better then most in here. Therefore they will get their wins no matter who they play because they are that good. However if Events & BR were to match players on skill level like RS does, then the games would be evenly matched by skill & just boils down to who out plays they other & wins. So lets say I enter BR & play games 1-3 against low tier players & I win, then games 4-6 would be against mid tier players, then games 7-9 against top tier players & finally games 10-12 against elite tier players. Then a ladder like that makes sense. I surely wouldn't be able to make it past 7-8 wins within a ladder like that, but at least I were able to earn the rewards up until that point rather then outright eliminated within 1st 2 games due to being matched against top tier & elite tier players. THIS IS THE POINT YOU ARE NOT GETTING
In Ranked Seasons, the best players still start at a lower level. Your ladder idea is a good idea, but for it to be fair, ALL PLAYERS, would have to start at the lower levels for games 1-3 and work there way up. It's somewhat randomized, but already kinda works like that. You just gotta get good and have a little luck go your way.
I definitely agree with you and Skep, but sadly the events and BR ratings bar doesn't work. You can't freeze it like you can with RS so frequently you'll have the bar slide all the way to edges and your first game can be against someone who has just won 11 straight. I think this is particularly true for people like myself who aren't located in the US.
I wish I could freeze the bar so I could choose to match up with someone who is on a similar streak.
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