I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...
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So I just played a game against an absolute goon of a player. Usually I play decent enough against these guys but this time it just got out of hand. Anyways...
I was down 19-1 in the seventh (yes, it was that bad). Basically just playing it out for shits and giggles. With a deficit that big, I was honestly expecting my opponent to use the position player he just pinch hit with on the mound. But no. Instead, out comes Hal Newhouser from his bullpen to close it out. Like, seriously? You’re up by that much and you still go to a starter?
He told me his reason for doing it was to “preserve reliever arms”, which is honestly a pathetic excuse. Doesn’t justify doing it whatsoever. Your relievers aren’t on your team for no reason. They’re there to be used. If the game calls for a situation where they should be used, use them.
It’s things like this that really make me question if starters out the pen should still be allowed.
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I dont get your disappointment. Yes it is ridiculous how almost every game guys use like 3 starters, same ones usually, and very seldom use relievers. But it sounds like you just wanted to face his position players? I wouldnt do that ever. Unless I absolutely had too. And i can see him not wanting to burn his BP with a huge lead. maybe Newhouser had just pitched for him recently and he wanted to use him so his other guys stayed rested. Or maybe Newhouser isnt one of his choices, like many, for top SP. So he is his mop up guy.
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@ChuckCLC said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
I dont get your disappointment. Yes it is ridiculous how almost every game guys use like 3 starters, same ones usually, and very seldom use relievers. But it sounds like you just wanted to face his position players? I wouldnt do that ever. Unless I absolutely had too. And i can see him not wanting to burn his BP with a huge lead. maybe Newhouser had just pitched for him recently and he wanted to use him so his other guys stayed rested. Or maybe Newhouser isnt one of his choices, like many, for top SP. So he is his mop up guy.
I didn’t want to face a position player at all. I just think that, in a situation like that, with all the other relief options he could’ve gone to, using the second highest overall pitcher in the game to finish it out is unsportsmanlike. That’s all.
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I agree 100 percent with the OP - no reason to bring in Hal up 18 in the late innings - but at that point hadn’t the run ruled come into effect
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@jrbufford1 said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
I agree 100 percent with the OP - no reason to bring in Hal up 18 in the late innings - but at that point hadn’t the run ruled come into effect
It would have been for one more half inning. That was my point with him bringing in Hal. Probably didnt want to burn a BP arm for that half inning and starters hardly lose any energy for one inning. Plus most people dont use all 5 starters.
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@ChuckCLC said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
@jrbufford1 said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
I agree 100 percent with the OP - no reason to bring in Hal up 18 in the late innings - but at that point hadn’t the run ruled come into effect
It would have been for one more half inning. That was my point with him bringing in Hal. Probably didnt want to burn a BP arm for that half inning and starters hardly lose any energy for one inning. Plus most people dont use all 5 starters.
Doesn’t change the fact that it’s kind of a cheap move to make.
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@carey_56 said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
@ChuckCLC said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
@jrbufford1 said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
I agree 100 percent with the OP - no reason to bring in Hal up 18 in the late innings - but at that point hadn’t the run ruled come into effect
It would have been for one more half inning. That was my point with him bringing in Hal. Probably didnt want to burn a BP arm for that half inning and starters hardly lose any energy for one inning. Plus most people dont use all 5 starters.
Doesn’t change the fact that it’s kind of a cheap move to make.
Unless he has some crappy pitcher in his rotation or BP I dont see how anyone else would make a difference.
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OP is right
it is a WEAK move by the opponent
it shows the opponent has no confidence in his bullpen, has no confidence in his role of the RP situation
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Yeah that's a cheap move. If you've got a big lead, burn one of your lesser bullpen arms. There's no need for Hal or Kluber.
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@ChuckCLC said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
@carey_56 said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
@ChuckCLC said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
@jrbufford1 said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
I agree 100 percent with the OP - no reason to bring in Hal up 18 in the late innings - but at that point hadn’t the run ruled come into effect
It would have been for one more half inning. That was my point with him bringing in Hal. Probably didnt want to burn a BP arm for that half inning and starters hardly lose any energy for one inning. Plus most people dont use all 5 starters.
Doesn’t change the fact that it’s kind of a cheap move to make.
Unless he has some crappy pitcher in his rotation or BP I dont see how anyone else would make a difference.
It’s not necessarily about how good Hal is. I’m sure he had tons of good relievers, like Rollie, Dibble, Wagner, etc. But the concept of bringing a starter out of the pen when you’re winning by that much just irks me. It’s bad baseball.
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Starters out of the pen has been one of the worst moves brought in by SDS.
Yes it is done in the game but not very often and usually only in the playoffs. They should have just allowed players to use a reliever as an "opener" and been done. At lease increase the stamina use by a SP being brought in from the pen triple so that the decision to make that move is more difficult.
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I understand the frustration but if my bullpen is shot I'd much rather go to a starter when the game is out of hand, most of my starters seem to only go 5 or 6 as it is so I need to be able to reset my bullpen arms whenever I can
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Honestly your opponent made the smart move. The game is what it is at this point. You're mad about it but what if it's happened to him countless of times too? Also, it's a half inning, it's way more disrespectful had he left a position player there against you...a half inning is enough of an outing that could take x RP away from him in the next game, which would probably be more meaningful than a 18 lead blowout.
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@carey_56 said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
So I just played a game against an absolute goon of a player. Usually I play decent enough against these guys but this time it just got out of hand. Anyways...
I was down 19-1 in the seventh (yes, it was that bad). Basically just playing it out for shits and giggles. With a deficit that big, I was honestly expecting my opponent to use the position player he just pinch hit with on the mound. But no. Instead, out comes Hal Newhouser from his bullpen to close it out. Like, seriously? You’re up by that much and you still go to a starter?
He told me his reason for doing it was to “preserve reliever arms”, which is honestly a pathetic excuse. Doesn’t justify doing it whatsoever. You’re relievers aren’t on your team for no reason. They’re there to be used. If the game calls for a situation where they should be used, use them.
It’s things like this that really make me question if starters out the pen should still be allowed.
In an 18 run game who cares?
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@carey_56 said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
So I just played a game against an absolute goon of a player. Usually I play decent enough against these guys but this time it just got out of hand. Anyways...
I was down 19-1 in the seventh (yes, it was that bad). Basically just playing it out for shits and giggles. With a deficit that big, I was honestly expecting my opponent to use the position player he just pinch hit with on the mound. But no. Instead, out comes Hal Newhouser from his bullpen to close it out. Like, seriously? You’re up by that much and you still go to a starter?
He told me his reason for doing it was to “preserve reliever arms”, which is honestly a pathetic excuse. Doesn’t justify doing it whatsoever. You’re relievers aren’t on your team for no reason. They’re there to be used. If the game calls for a situation where they should be used, use them.
It’s things like this that really make me question if starters out the pen should still be allowed.
No disrespect, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
The whole time I'm reading, I'm thinking.... wait, you're getting mercy ruled losing 19-1 and you're whining about how he brings in a starter to finish it off and go on to complain how he's not playing it out the way you'd like him to?
Even if he didn't bring in Newhouser, and brought in a reliever, any reliever, the result would've still been the same, so what are you complaining for? If anything, you should've just quit in a game you had no chance at winning,... problem solved.
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“He told me his reason for doing it was to “preserve reliever arms”, which is honestly a pathetic excuse. Doesn’t justify doing it whatsoever. You’re relievers aren’t on your team for no reason. They’re there to be used. If the game calls for a situation where they should be used, use them.”
Preserve bullpen arms meaning to be used in games that they will actually matter in, why lose stamina on a bullpen arm in a 19-1 game? his next game it might be tied 3-3 and he needs all hands on deck with his bullpen, This just sounds like sour grapes to me.
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why no mercy rule?
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I definitely can see where some of you guys are coming from. But I don’t know. It just feels like everyone always finds an excuse to bring starters in out of the pen. I’m just sick of it at this point.
Edit: Also forgot to mention that he had Newhouser up in his pen around the fourth inning (I think). At that point in the game, it was still pretty close. So I think Newhouser would’ve been coming in regardless of the score.
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@carey_56 said in I just had a pretty disappointing encounter in ranked...:
So I just played a game against an absolute goon of a player. Usually I play decent enough against these guys but this time it just got out of hand. Anyways...
I was down 19-1 in the seventh (yes, it was that bad). Basically just playing it out for shits and giggles. With a deficit that big, I was honestly expecting my opponent to use the position player he just pinch hit with on the mound. But no. Instead, out comes Hal Newhouser from his bullpen to close it out. Like, seriously? You’re up by that much and you still go to a starter?
He told me his reason for doing it was to “preserve reliever arms”, which is honestly a pathetic excuse. Doesn’t justify doing it whatsoever. Your relievers aren’t on your team for no reason. They’re there to be used. If the game calls for a situation where they should be used, use them.
It’s things like this that really make me question if starters out the pen should still be allowed.
That’s why I enjoy H2H, play with real updated rosters in real mlb ballparks and have to use relievers u guys all love diamond dynasty tho for whatever reason
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I'm just confused how the game wasn't called due to the mercy rule.
