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Is there a way to tell that on some of them? Like one of the cards that works is the team captain Adalberto Mondesi and there's no year.
Like, does the subway series 90OVR Jeter represent a specific year? Because the card doesn't say.
Just seems really weird
I grabbed the Stanton card as my cornerstone captain for S2 thinking I'd have a number of players that worked with that boost. However, guys like Sal Perez, Jeter, Adam Dunn, and Griffey aren't being recognized as part of the captain boost. They all played during the 2010s. Am I missing something about what qualifies players for this?
@Simple-Jack3998_XBL I get the "hitting in real life" thing, but I don't think that should apply here. There are SO MANY little aspects that go into hitting a baseball in real life. Yes, you can be out in front of a pitch and still hit it hard or hit a HR, but that's because there are a whole slew of things you did right (kept your hands back, kept your weight back, still transferred your weight through the ball well, etc). You can also do almost everything right, but if you have the tiniest hitch or something wrong with your swing, then you're not hitting ANYTHING. SDS is taking ALL of that and boiling it down into just two things (swing timing and PCI placement). And that's TOTALLY fine, because obviously nobody wants to do 35 different things on a controller to hit a ball, but it makes it much different than real life and, essentially, non-comparable.
We HAVE to get away from this idea that "because it can happen in real life that makes it acceptable in the game" idea. Hitting in real life and hitting in a video game are not even remotely close things and shouldn't be compared.
In addition to that, why is it that being "early" on a pitch means you're simply out in front and can still hit the ball 400 ft, but being "late" MUCH more consistently means you're jammed and not hitting the ball hard. Why is a "late" swing a jam shot but an "early" swing not hitting it off the end of the bat?
If you're going to take the hardest thing to do in sports and boil it down to two things on a controller, then at least eliminate some of the RNG and make input much more meaningful than it already is. Otherwise you're just relying on luck or a favorable random outcome. And although there is some of that in baseball, to look at a player who was "out in front" of a pitch and still hit a HR and saying that's the same as RNG randomly deciding a poorly timed swing is a HR is just not true.
@Simple-Jack3998_XBL I would argue it shouldn't matter where his PCI was though. They are boiling hitting down to only 2 different things (the timing at which you hit a button and the accuracy at which you move the joystick). If you do one thing wrong, which is literally HALF of what goes into hitting, then you shouldn't ever be rewarded with the BEST possible outcome (which is a HR).
I'm not saying you shouldn't ever get a hit, but if you're going to be significantly off on half of what goes into making contact, you shouldn't ever be rewarded with the best possible outcome
Just got done with an online game in DD. We were playing on Legend difficulty and were pretty evenly matched. I'd say both of our strengths were pitching, but we were hitting decently and overall our hard hit balls were mostly rewarded and there weren't any bloops. It was a really good game!
Then the RNG decided to step in. I was up 1 run in the 6th. He lead off the inning with an "early" swing groundball that 16-hopped through the infield and then the very next batter hit an "early" swing HR to go up 1 and that was the difference.
And as if to just rub it in, the next inning my first out was "good" swing timing with the ball inside the inner PCI for a "weak" contact fly out LOL
I understand I'm essentially an old man yelling at the clouds because SDS obviously wants the game to play this way, but it's frustrating to play such a close, well-contested game on the HIGHEST difficulty and still have it decided by something like that.
I just wish there was at least an option or a specific game mode you could play that was REALLY input-determined instead of just hoping the right things land your way.
The 93 Classics Kenta Maeda that you get from the Classics Program is not registering as eligible for Seiya Suziki captain boost. Is that a glitch? Or am I just missing something?
@BJDUBBYAH Like I've been saying the entire [censored] argument dude, I hit more balls hard. That's all I've ever said. I didn't mean "outhit" literally; I meant "outhit" in the fact that I had better hitting input.
I'm talking about the general state of the hitting engine and you're saying the fact that I struck out on a fastball in the 9th somehow discredits the entire argument.
I don't know how to explain in any more detail how individual, specific examples don't do anything to credit or discredit what we're saying about the general state of the hitting engine and how it doesn't do enough to reward input.
Literally nothing you've said has disproven what me or the OP have said about how the hitting engine generally works.
Like I said...I don't know if you're trolling me (in which case congrats because you got me) or if you just generally don't understand. Either way...whatever
@BJDUBBYAH Yes, in specific situations there were things I could have done better. There were also WAY more times when my opponent could have done better as well.
There are ALWAYS moments when you could have avoided striking out. Or you could have hit a ball hard instead of being jammed. Or you could have laid off a pitch instead of rolling over on it for a ground ball. That's the nature of baseball. If you're argument is "hey, you weren't perfect in every at-bat for the entire game so you have no right to complain" then you've created a situation where nobody has a complaint ever.
What we're saying is, over the course of 9 innings, looking at the entirety of the game, we obviously outhit/outplayed our opponent, but because RNG played a bigger role than the overall input, our opponent won.
And that's the complaint. Not that I lost...that happens. I'm going to lose. But we just want to feel like our user input plays a larger role than seemingly arbitrary hitting outcomes.
@BJDUBBYAH I can't do this with you...Jesus Christ
You're using extremely narrow examples to try and disprove a point about the general state of the hitting engine.
I struck out with a runner in scoring position. Ok. Do you know why he didn't? Because he didn't have a single at-bat with a runner in scoring position the entire game becuae his 6 hits were 4 HRs and 2 rolled-over ground ball singles.
If you focus on the "bad", you also have to focus on the "good." Yes, I may have struck out with a runner in scoring position...I also squared up more balls than he did and hit more balls hard than he did. But mine were not arbitrarily rewarded as HRs. And THAT'S what I'm saying.
You're so laser-focused on trying to prove your point that you're missing literally EVERYTHING OP and me are trying to say
@BJDUBBYAH Ok...but my opponent's record does nothing to change literally anything I've said. He can be 17-7. He can be 117-7. Or he can be 7-117. It changes absolutely nothing about how my game with him played out. Regardless of his record, he still struck out 18 times to my 8 times. He still only hit 5 balls hard. He still arbitrarily got rewarded with HRs on an insane 80% of the balls he hit hard.
The only way his record, or how good he is, plays a role in ANY of that, is if you're claiming that the better your record is, the more likely you are to have the balls you hit hard be HRs...which would be asinine.
@BJDUBBYAH Go for it dude! I've only talked about one game and you won't find any evidence from that game that's any different from what I've claimed.
And you can look at 1000 games from before that and nothing in there that is good, bad, ugly, or anything else applies to the theoretical nature of what me or the OP is talking about.
You can be good at the game; you can be bad at the game; you can be that guy that has 300 freakin wins already. We're talking about the theory of how the hitting engine works and the arbitrary nature of hitting outcomes. Our individual skill does nothing to change that.
But then again I don't expect you to understand that or understand the nature of anecdotal evidence and how it doesn't apply to something like this...
I understand certain game modes being this way...but if there's ONE place where user input reigns supreme, it should be online ranked.
But you're right about the extracting money. As long as they hit their quarterly goals, nothing will change. They're a business after all, so their idea of "success" is hitting those monetary goals, not creating a game that a certain percentage of people like. So if people keep buying stubs, and they can create an RNG-fueled game experience that leads to casual players sticking around and playing more, they'll keep doing it.
I understand it - it just sucks 
@BJDUBBYAH But that's what we're saying...we don't have nearly enough control over if those balls we put into play ARE hits. For my example, I put significantly more balls into play than my opponent. I hit more balls hard than my opponent. I just was not arbitrarily rewarded with as many HRs. We're literally saying we don't have enough control over if what we hit hard becomes a hit.
Like...I don't know if you're being purposefully dense because being a troll is your identity and it's weirdly how you get your jollies. Or if you're an actual moron that doesn't understand what we're trying to say. Either way, you're essentially the dog [censored] on the bottom of the shoe of this conversation.
You stink
You add nothing
And most of us want to just scrape you off and move on...partner
@BJDUBBYAH I'm not saying "it's the game's fault." I'm saying if you're going to use a strikeout differential of 4 to discount OPs original point, then I have a similar example where the strikeout differential was 333% the OTHER direction. It shows, to OP's point, that user input is too often secondary to random RNG in determining the outcome of at-bats.
Instead of using a minimal strikeout differential to discount the OP's point for no reason, maybe add something constructive...or just sit this one out
@BJDUBBYAH said in Is skill becoming less relevant?:
You also struck out 5 times to your opponents 1, but conveniently left that part of the “skill” discussion out.
Sorry you lost a game. By 2 runs. Don’t blame it on RNG.
I just lost a game where my opponent struck out eighteen times to my 8 times. He had 5 hard hit balls the ENTIRE game and scored 5 runs to beat me 5-3. A strikeout difference of 4 doesn't discount the OPs point.
Maybe if we listened to people's complaints/points of view instead of trying to immediately troll them we'd get somewhere...
I'm gonna [censored] and moan, but I can't take the arbitrary nature of this hitting engine any more. I know the content is lame and boring, but we HAVE to get back to user input meaning SOMETHING. I cannot for the life of me figure out what determines how the ball comes off the bat at this point. Early swing and under the ball? 400 foot no-doubt HR. Good swing timing with the ball fully in the PCI? 88mph flyout.
Just lost a DD game 5-3. Here's some notes:
He had 5 hard hit balls the ENTIRE game...magically 4 of them were HRs with one of them coming after a rolled over ground ball through the hole. So he had 5 runs off the back of a total of 5 hard hit balls
He struck out EIGHTEEN TIMES to my 8 times
I had about as many hard hit balls for outs as he had hard hit balls total
This game is literally determined by who can arbitrarily get the most of their hard hit balls to be HRs and who can arbitrarily get the most of their terrible swings to be foul balls instead of weak outs. If someone can come on here and tell me how skill determines why one person's 100mph line drive is an out and why one person's is a HR or can tell me what determines if a "very late" swing on an inside fastball is a foul ball or a popup, I'm all ears. But it seems to me that arbitrary outcomes have more of factor in determining who wins games than actual input. And that is asinine for online competitive gameplay.
Just save us all the trouble and turn every at bat into a coin flip simulator and decide the winner that way. It'll take less time and save us all the trouble of pretending like skill is at all the largest determining factor in who wins, because it's becoming more and more obvious that it's not.
@Tylerslikewhoa I'm actually hitting for a higher average and OPS this year in Ranked than I ever have.
But wouldn't expect a troll to take the 30 seconds to look that up LOL
I know we all know that the content schedule sucks and SDS is basically phoning it in as long as they hit their quarterly quotas, but can we PLEASE start talking about how infuriatingly arbitrary hitting outcomes are?
I just played a game and was up 3-0. My opponent then bunts for a base hit, because, you know, we want to reward all the skill it takes to hit the triangle button. The next batter he rolls over on a low outside pitch for a pulled ground ball that goes through the hole. Whatever...it happens. Then with runners on 1st and 2nd, he proceeds to hit a HR on a VERY early swing. When the actual [censored] did we decide it was OK to put a horrid swing on a ball and be rewarded with literally the best possible outcome? Why is this a thing!? Why is it even in the coding to have a HR be a possible outcome on a very early swing. I remember when you couldn't even get a hit on a very early or very late swing but now we're just handing out HRs on them LOL. This hitting engine is the freakin participation trophy of video games.
It was totally ok, though, because to make up for it, 3 out of my next 4 hitters had triple digit exit velos for outs.
O ya...he then proceeded to hit his go-ahead HR on an "early" swing. You know, because input doesn't actually matter.
I also struck out at one point on a swing that had "good" timing with the ball completely inside the outer ring of the PCI. But apparently I should have just been completely out in front of it instead.
@raesONE-_PSN said in I wish SDS understood how hitting works even a little:
@xIAmJumpMan23x said in I wish SDS understood how hitting works even a little:
@jaychvz_XBL said in I wish SDS understood how hitting works even a little:
I agree it's un realistic, but the very good players( I'm not one) seem to hit very well on legend.
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I think the faster the pitch the less control no matter the pitcher .
I get this, but it's kind of ridiculous to be OK with something because the top 1% (or less) "seem to be fine." You can make something infinitely hard and there will always be a small demographic that figure it out and can do it.
So what's your suggestion, because I only heard a complaint without offering an idea/concept how to improve this situation you seemingly want changed.
I'm glad you asked! Here are some things I think SDS could do to improve:
Stop giving high sliders such extreme break. Right now I'm fairly consistently seeing guys throw high sliders on purpose because they basically just turn into cutters. That's obviously not how pitching works. I think high off-speed pitches need to "hang" more
Make it harder to throw 4th and 5th pitches with accuracy. Lots of times when you look at a guys pitch breakdown, his 4th or 5th pitch is something he throws less than 10% of the time. But in this game, if you like the pitch, you can throw it as much as you want
Make it harder to throw "front door" pitches to opposite handed hitters. This would be like a RHP throwing circle changes and sinkers to a left-handed batter. Basically the ball coming across the plate to the pitchers glove side, starting it off the plate inside, and then having it come back "front door". This is such a hard pitch to throw in real life, but it's done so easily here in this game.
Stop with the extreme velocity differences between fastballs and change-ups. Every pitcher shouldn't be throwing 15+ mph difference between their fastball and change-up.
@jaychvz_XBL said in I wish SDS understood how hitting works even a little:
I agree it's un realistic, but the very good players( I'm not one) seem to hit very well on legend.
I think the faster the pitch the less control no matter the pitcher .
I get this, but it's kind of ridiculous to be OK with something because the top 1% (or less) "seem to be fine." You can make something infinitely hard and there will always be a small demographic that figure it out and can do it.