HOW did get to a point where ONE LS card is 700K?
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The four fundamental principles of supply and demand are:
If supply increases while demand remains constant, price decreases.
If supply decreases while demand remains constant, price increases.
If supply is static while demand increases, price increases.
If supply is static while demand decreases, price decreases.The supply you can buy is capped it cannot increase it also stays static as 20 is the max both lead to increases on a supply perspective so your left with demand. Which above you’ll understand with a supply limit
The only thing that brings prices down at that point is a demand decrease. You have no need for bronzes commons after you pull and collect them (which is a higher pull rate) and to a lesser extent silver and gold because they are rarer to pull only reason golds are at quick sale is because of the gold exchange method causing supply to outreach demand. Now when you get to the high tier cards supply is far less available than demand. Once you finally get the required stubs to get an ohtani for example you pull the trigger more and more people will get the necessary stubs thru programs selling duplicates etc which will be all around the same time I think we’re seeing the beginning of that some may or may not buy the missing x amount of stubs when they are close. So in short the max demand for lower tier cards has been reached where as the high tier cards is just now beginning to get reached they will continue to rise until peak demand and then begin lowering.. @teak2112_mlbts -
The prices on LS cards ,bronzes and silvers being low (what ppl pull from packs they earn) makes making stubs harder and actually does increase the value of rare cards.
That is only one of many factors involved in the high diamonds prices, another big one is for the such a very low pull rate to begin with- how many keep instead of selling because of how high the price is.Stub making through gameplay is absolutely easier this year.
Yes, DQ sells for less than it did at this point last year (I think the cards were 9-10k last year at this point instead of 4.5k this year) but there was no good repeatable pack source at launch last year and this year that is not remotely the case. The theoretically lower sell value of bronzes and golds (im certainly making bank off of silvers though, I guess I have exchanges to thank for that) is made up by people having access to a LOT more packs than last year.
Then we have things like event cards back, the extra sellable cards in inning path, and more online sellable cards than last year. That all adds up.
But as you said, there are many factors and I think you hit on perhaps the biggest: people that pull him are keeping him.
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We gotta get over this nonsense that a 20 cap limit is responsible for price increases. I flip, I invest and the 20 cap limit doesn't bother me one bit.
The people bothered by the 20 cap limit are the lazy who just want the ability to put in 100 buy/sell orders and let them sit. Essentially doing almost nothing to try and earn stubs. At least with the cap, people can't just leave their orders in place and drive down margins.
Additionally, SOMEONE needs to explain HOW a cap increases the cost of high value diamonds? I get people are upset but can we stop with the hyperbole please.
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@aaronjw76_PSN It doesn't stimulate the market, when cards are going for dirt cheap there is no incentive for people to rip chase bundles. This isn't a healthy economy right now.
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The notion that people arent ripping packs because there is slightly less value in bronzes and golds is beyond absurd.
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Well the 20 card max is feeding the inflated prices. Less cards being available combined with “only” being able to hold 20 is driving them up. Which is interesting because in theory, it should have been helping keep prices down.
You are just posting nonsense in hope that someone believes it.
Some guy on the internet said Shohei's price is because of the 20 card max, it must be true!
“In essence, capping how much someone can buy does not increase the actual supply. It simply changes who gets the product, often transferring it to the "highest bidder" in a secondary, more expensive market.”
It’s called “rationing”. It’s basic economics. Low supply + limit + high demand = higher prices. I’ve accepted the cap and it really doesn’t bother me, because I typically don’t finish the LS collection til later. It does bother me because I’m primarily NMS, so in that sense it hurts my ability to make the stubs in order to complete it, even with completing programs and getting stubs.
There’s also a chance that down the road the more positive side of the cap comes into play…
I wholly understand what SDS thought they were doing: “Limits can act as a substitute for price increases, allowing stores to manage inventory without raising prices during moderate shortages”, according to a simple summarized google search. Basically they were hoping it would have this affect on the in game market.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS I don’t think we can make any logical, evidence-based conclusion on why Ohtani’s price is so high. The 20 card limit is not a likely culprit at all. What we can do is see that the changes to card attainment and inventory have not brought his price down. It’s hard to go apples to apples at this point in the season because last year Ohtani’s price was artificially kept down with a stub cap for awhile. He doesn’t have one now and we see him climbing and climbing. I’m predicting 800k after the first ru or stub sale.
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@aaronjw76_PSN Why are people lazy for wanting the 20 cap gone? I invested heavily in the past and I can promise you the most effective way of building a ton of inventory wasn’t “set it and forget it”. I spent a ton of time following box scores and stats of real life baseball. Poured over the attributes in The Show and found discrepancies. And I played the game non-stop because of being off for health reasons and having to keep my head down for three straight weeks for 50 mins of every hour. (Placed a monitor below me and played inverted). Calling investors lazy is a stereotype in itself and shows laziness.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS I don’t think we can make any logical, evidence-based conclusion on why Ohtani’s price is so high.
100% agreed
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@Teak2112_MLBTS I don’t think we can make any logical, evidence-based conclusion on why Ohtani’s price is so high.
100% agreed
Even I’ll agree with this. Everything is speculative at best because it could be any number of things causing it.
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Again, straw-man argument, this is economics 101 in an OPEN market, this isn’t one!!!
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@Sarge1387_PSN Thank you because he doesn't seem to understand it.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Actually it is, if you spend 75k and are recouping 25k at best there is almost zero incentive to rip. I've been playing this game for 10 years it's the worst I've ever seen the economy.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Actually it is, if you spend 75k and are recouping 25k at best there is almost zero incentive to rip. I've been playing this game for 10 years it's the worst I've ever seen the economy.
You act like there is a 50% decrease in value across all the live series cards.
if its 25k now it would have been what, 26k last year?
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Point me to a year where the card prices have been so cheap it's not ever worth it? All they're doing is front flooding the market and then limiting the amount of selling. This isn't hard, this is basic economics 101.
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There are so many diamonds right now within shouting distance of QS and as cheap as they've ever been. I mean what could go wrong with less stubs and the same amount of card supply?
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Point me to a year where the card prices have been so cheap it's not ever worth it? All they're doing is front flooding the market and then limiting the amount of selling. This isn't hard, this is basic economics 101.
how can card prices so simultaneously so cheap and the LS collection being the most expensive to this time period any other year? It's 2.6M on the low end to get the LS done. Save for opening week, it didn't spike up being this high until the 500K cap got removed AND a stud sale occurred. I know because I finished around April 4th last year and my all-in cost was about 2.2M.
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@aaronjw76_PSN Because it's all predicated on or 2 cards holding up the entire market.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Point me to a year where the card prices have been so cheap it's not ever worth it? All they're doing is front flooding the market and then limiting the amount of selling. This isn't hard, this is basic economics 101.
23-24 because it was 99's right put of the gate. Think ohtani was like 50k max those years
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It's nuts.
I've grinded my [censored] off, had one lucky pull (Ohtani), have more than 20 teams done and am still more than 1.3M stubs away from completing live series.As a full NMS guy, I know getting it done early is rare, but I have put all my resources into getting live series done and i'm still 1.3M stubs off.
That's just stupid.
