Joe Carter most underrated player
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@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
I don't think anyone's saying Carter is below average. I'm certainly not.
The very definition of WAR is Wins Above Replacement. If he was below average, his career WAR would be negative.
But to say anything more would literally be going against the facts. "The Eye Test" is nothing more than confirmation bias in the face of science.PS: I haven't seen such antipathy towards sabermetrics since Joe Morgan. Which is ... not a good look.
Joe Morgan is a clear example of a player that played better than many players with similar or greater WARS. I am not saying he is a HOF. But his WAR suggests he is not really an all star level player when in fact he was. As far as Joe Morgan goes dude is a HOF stud who knows baseball.
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@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
WAR is a terrible stat, it's an estimation with a bunch of assumptions and makes for horrible baseball conversation. It's not meant to be used the way most use it either.
The rest of Joe Carters stats, his actual real production -- very vanilla. Solid player but not great.
One of the all time most clutch moments though.
But overall it's laughable he's a 93 overall.
If WAR is terrible. Why do all the best players have the best WAR?......
“WAR is a terrible stat”
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
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@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
Eyes don’t lie. If you really think Neil Walker is in Joe Cartes league as a baseball player it only proves you don’t understand baseball. Good day
My point exactly. Proof that WAR isn’t everything
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@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
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@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
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@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
Wrong 100%.. never did MJ ever talk about anything to make himself greater. Ever. Jordan doesn't and never did talk that way. He still says Bill Russell is the greatest ever but maintains that you can't compare eras..
LeBron is the only dude telling people he's the greatest.Also, MJ is the GOAT, with or without Pippen.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
Wrong 100%.. never did MJ ever talk about anything to make himself greater. Ever. Jordan doesn't and never did talk that way. He still says Bill Russell is the greatest ever but maintains that you can't compare eras..
LeBron is the only dude telling people he's the greatest.Also, MJ is the GOAT, with or without Pippen.
6 titles, 6 mvp and 6 finals MVP tells you everything you need to know right there.LMAO....did you just imply Jordan never did any self aggrandizing...lol. Sure he never gambled either...lol. Seriously, have you ever heard him talk about himself or other great players.
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@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
I agree. Jordan fans and Lebron haters act like Pippen wasn’t also one of the 25 greatest basketball players of all time. They say Lebron needs superstars to win even thought the only real superstars he played with have been Wade and AD. Bosh, Kevin Love, and Kyrie are some of the most overrated players ever. I do think Jordan has the slight edge over Lebron in the GOAT argument, but only until Lebron passes Kareem for all time scoring if he does
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@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
Wrong 100%.. never did MJ ever talk about anything to make himself greater. Ever. Jordan doesn't and never did talk that way. He still says Bill Russell is the greatest ever but maintains that you can't compare eras..
LeBron is the only dude telling people he's the greatest.Also, MJ is the GOAT, with or without Pippen.
6 titles, 6 mvp and 6 finals MVP tells you everything you need to know right there.LMAO....did you just imply Jordan never did any self aggrandizing...lol. Sure he never gambled either...lol. Seriously, have you ever heard him talk about himself or other great players.
Ya I've heard him talk in great lengths. Have you? Jordan doesn't talk about GOAT stuff. Find me anything that has him talking like that. In game, he was the biggest trash talker. He would get under everyone's skin. If you trash talk him back, he would put up 50 on you... But out of game, never did MJ tell people he was the greatest..
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How the fuk did we go from baseball to basketball ?
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@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
I agree. Jordan fans and Lebron haters act like Pippen wasn’t also one of the 25 greatest basketball players of all time. They say Lebron needs superstars to win even thought the only real superstars he played with have been Wade and AD. Bosh, Kevin Love, and Kyrie are some of the most overrated players ever. I do think Jordan has the slight edge over Lebron in the GOAT argument, but only until Lebron passes Kareem for all time scoring if he does
Imo the GOAT thing makes no sense. It is all part of the Jordan Nike hype machine. Last time I checked Wilt Chamberlain pretty much reinvented basketball. Dude scored 100pts. That is dominant...that is GOAT stuff. Ok so if we are talking skill. Lebron can do everything Jordan could accept he can guard 4 positions and is a better passer. On top of that..Lebron doesn’t have a huge ego and can win with many different types of players. Lebron would’ve won a championship on ANY of those Bulls teams. I don’t think Jordan wins a championship with Wade or Kyrie on his team.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
I agree. Jordan fans and Lebron haters act like Pippen wasn’t also one of the 25 greatest basketball players of all time. They say Lebron needs superstars to win even thought the only real superstars he played with have been Wade and AD. Bosh, Kevin Love, and Kyrie are some of the most overrated players ever. I do think Jordan has the slight edge over Lebron in the GOAT argument, but only until Lebron passes Kareem for all time scoring if he does
When MJ left to try baseball, the Bulls were terrible. They still had the same team that just 3 peated... He came back and got them immediately back to the playoffs and lost to Shaqs magic... Then they proceeded to 3 peat again.. everyone knows it wasn't Pippen that got them there. He barely touched the ball lol. It was the GOAT MJ.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
I agree. Jordan fans and Lebron haters act like Pippen wasn’t also one of the 25 greatest basketball players of all time. They say Lebron needs superstars to win even thought the only real superstars he played with have been Wade and AD. Bosh, Kevin Love, and Kyrie are some of the most overrated players ever. I do think Jordan has the slight edge over Lebron in the GOAT argument, but only until Lebron passes Kareem for all time scoring if he does
When MJ left to try baseball, the Bulls were terrible. They still had the same team that just 3 peated... He came back and got them immediately back to the playoffs and lost to Shaqs magic... Then they proceeded to 3 peat again.. everyone knows it wasn't Pippen that got them there. He barely touched the ball lol. It was the GOAT MJ.
It’s a team game. There was never a Pippen championship team without Jordan and there was never a Jordan Championship team without Pippen. Lebron won championships with two Very different teams with no other common player. If it wasn’t for coronavirus he may have done it with a third very different team.
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@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
I agree. Jordan fans and Lebron haters act like Pippen wasn’t also one of the 25 greatest basketball players of all time. They say Lebron needs superstars to win even thought the only real superstars he played with have been Wade and AD. Bosh, Kevin Love, and Kyrie are some of the most overrated players ever. I do think Jordan has the slight edge over Lebron in the GOAT argument, but only until Lebron passes Kareem for all time scoring if he does
Imo the GOAT thing makes no sense. It is all part of the Jordan Nike hype machine. Last time I checked Wilt Chamberlain pretty much reinvented basketball. Dude scored 100pts. That is dominant...that is GOAT stuff. Ok so if we are talking skill. Lebron can do everything Jordan could accept he can guard 4 positions and is a better passer. On top of that..Lebron doesn’t have a huge ego and can win with many different types of players. Lebron would’ve won a championship on ANY of those Bulls teams. I don’t think Jordan wins a championship with Wade or Kyrie on his team.
I think Wilt was a monster but there have been stories that the 100 point game was completely fabricated by the scorers table and his teammates passed up open shots to get Wilt to 100. You really expect me to believe that a 50% career free throw shooter went 29/32 from the line in the 100 point game? Get real lol
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@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
I agree. Jordan fans and Lebron haters act like Pippen wasn’t also one of the 25 greatest basketball players of all time. They say Lebron needs superstars to win even thought the only real superstars he played with have been Wade and AD. Bosh, Kevin Love, and Kyrie are some of the most overrated players ever. I do think Jordan has the slight edge over Lebron in the GOAT argument, but only until Lebron passes Kareem for all time scoring if he does
Imo the GOAT thing makes no sense. It is all part of the Jordan Nike hype machine. Last time I checked Wilt Chamberlain pretty much reinvented basketball. Dude scored 100pts. That is dominant...that is GOAT stuff. Ok so if we are talking skill. Lebron can do everything Jordan could accept he can guard 4 positions and is a better passer. On top of that..Lebron doesn’t have a huge ego and can win with many different types of players. Lebron would’ve won a championship on ANY of those Bulls teams. I don’t think Jordan wins a championship with Wade or Kyrie on his team.
I think Wilt was a monster but there have been stories that the 100 point game was completely fabricated by the scorers table and his teammates passed up open shots to get Wilt to 100. You really expect me to believe that a 50% career free throw shooter went 29/32 from the line in the 100 point game? Get real lol
Lol...ok what about ALL of the other games. He was scoring 70 and 60 on the regular. Dude averaged 50. You are being silly. Btw there are stories that Elvis is alive. If you can show me factual evidence he didn’t drop 100. I will agree. Until then he scored 100
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@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
I agree. Jordan fans and Lebron haters act like Pippen wasn’t also one of the 25 greatest basketball players of all time. They say Lebron needs superstars to win even thought the only real superstars he played with have been Wade and AD. Bosh, Kevin Love, and Kyrie are some of the most overrated players ever. I do think Jordan has the slight edge over Lebron in the GOAT argument, but only until Lebron passes Kareem for all time scoring if he does
Imo the GOAT thing makes no sense. It is all part of the Jordan Nike hype machine. Last time I checked Wilt Chamberlain pretty much reinvented basketball. Dude scored 100pts. That is dominant...that is GOAT stuff. Ok so if we are talking skill. Lebron can do everything Jordan could accept he can guard 4 positions and is a better passer. On top of that..Lebron doesn’t have a huge ego and can win with many different types of players. Lebron would’ve won a championship on ANY of those Bulls teams. I don’t think Jordan wins a championship with Wade or Kyrie on his team.
I think Wilt was a monster but there have been stories that the 100 point game was completely fabricated by the scorers table and his teammates passed up open shots to get Wilt to 100. You really expect me to believe that a 50% career free throw shooter went 29/32 from the line in the 100 point game? Get real lol
Lol...ok what about ALL of the other games. Dude averaged 50. You are being silly.
I believe he averaged 50. They have footage of all those other games. The 100 point game still has no game footage after 50 years. Seems fishy to me
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Wilt played against scrubs and 8 teams. So did Russell. Both amazing but misleading stats.
LeBron is a great player. But is 3 for 6 and always had tons of talent around him. To say he doesn't is just being totally biased to help your argument.Jordan was the best defensive and offensive player of his time. There's a reason every other basketball player says he's the GOAT. He was so incredibly tough, no bigger player wanted anything to do with him. Was Pippen a great player? Yes. But Jordan made him. Not the other way around. If Pippen were on say, the Hornets, you'd never talk about him.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@the_dragon1912 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Synonymes said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
And only 1 of those guys has a world series
So in your view, Enos Slaughter (4 rings) is better than Ted Williams (0). Got it!
While the ring argument somewhat works for basketball, when people bring up rings in baseball it makes absolutely no sense. There are 9 players on the field. 1 player cant take over the game in Baseball. Their are players that have dominant postseasons, Ortiz for example. But lets be honest, Boston would not have won the 2013 WS if the Tigers didn’t have the worst bullpen in the League. There are too many variables at play to use rings as an argument for player greatness.
The ring thing doesn’t really work in basketball either. It was something Jordan came up with to make himself greater. Unless Robert shorty is better than Malone and Barkley put together. Because as great as Jordan was if Pippen were a Trailblazer we would be saying Drexler as GOAT
I agree. Jordan fans and Lebron haters act like Pippen wasn’t also one of the 25 greatest basketball players of all time. They say Lebron needs superstars to win even thought the only real superstars he played with have been Wade and AD. Bosh, Kevin Love, and Kyrie are some of the most overrated players ever. I do think Jordan has the slight edge over Lebron in the GOAT argument, but only until Lebron passes Kareem for all time scoring if he does
Imo the GOAT thing makes no sense. It is all part of the Jordan Nike hype machine. Last time I checked Wilt Chamberlain pretty much reinvented basketball. Dude scored 100pts. That is dominant...that is GOAT stuff. Ok so if we are talking skill. Lebron can do everything Jordan could accept he can guard 4 positions and is a better passer. On top of that..Lebron doesn’t have a huge ego and can win with many different types of players. Lebron would’ve won a championship on ANY of those Bulls teams. I don’t think Jordan wins a championship with Wade or Kyrie on his team.
I think Wilt was a monster but there have been stories that the 100 point game was completely fabricated by the scorers table and his teammates passed up open shots to get Wilt to 100. You really expect me to believe that a 50% career free throw shooter went 29/32 from the line in the 100 point game? Get real lol
Lol...ok what about ALL of the other games. Dude averaged 50. You are being silly.
I believe he averaged 50. They have footage of all those other games. The 100 point game still has no game footage after 50 years. Seems fishy to me
Ok so it’s fishy to you. THAT is your evidence? Really? Seems fishy. Did ANY of the players on either team or coach EVER say it didn’t happen in the decades sense. Or is it just your fishy sense that tells you...Aquaman
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Wilt played against scrubs and 8 teams. So did Russell. Both amazing but misleading stats.
LeBron is a great player. But is 3 for 6 and always had tons of talent around him. To say he doesn't is just being totally biased to help your argument.Jordan was the best defensive and offensive player of his time. There's a reason every other basketball player says he's the GOAT. He was so incredibly tough, no bigger player wanted anything to do with him. Was Pippen a great player? Yes. But Jordan made him. Not the other way around. If Pippen were on say, the Hornets, you'd never talk about him.
He played the best players available. Just like everyone else.
Everyone says Jordan’s the a GOAT because the media and Nike influences them to do so. Go say Jordan sux and see what sneaker deal you get. Pippen made Jordan and Jordan made Pippen....who made Lebron?
