Joe Carter most underrated player
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20k people is literally nothing.
It is literally 20k dead people, actually. Your opinion may be that it is figuratively nothing. You say you went to college?
We fought the 2 longest wars in American history for an attack that killed less than 1/6 of that many people. So I guess I would say that it is both literally and figuratively something.
In the grand scheme of things its nothing. Most are people who are dying are going to die within 10 years anyways.
Can only hope you are on that list.
Can only hope everyone you love is on that list..both of them
Can only hope only the people that love you are on that list.
Come on guys, chill out man. This is getting ridiculous. Now we're at wishing death upon each others loved ones? Really?
Actually, I wished death on absolutely NOBODY.
You literally just said you hope my entire family dies [censored]
No...only on those who love you. I just can’t imagine any of your family loving you.
No need to project liberal
I am absolutely shocked you understand the word project.
Its funny when actual dumb people act condescending on an online gaming forum We all know you are retarded.
The only “retarded” thing here is arguing about politics on a baseball forum lmao. Life is too short to be acting like this. You guys both look like idiots.
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20k people is literally nothing.
It is literally 20k dead people, actually. Your opinion may be that it is figuratively nothing. You say you went to college?
We fought the 2 longest wars in American history for an attack that killed less than 1/6 of that many people. So I guess I would say that it is both literally and figuratively something.
Lol...oh you believe he went to college. Here are the only ways he went to college. He works in the food court. He went on a tour, or he registered for a remedial class.
“If everyone was a slave the unemployment would be zero”
Since you obviously don't understand this concept, allow me to explain. If everyone were a slave, the unemployment rate would in fact be zero. Everyone would have a job, just no salary. That is what is wrong with solely looking at unemployment rate. Sure the unemployment rate is low under Trump, but how many of those jobs pay a living wage or salary? The answer is not nearly enough. Over half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Children who were born into unfortunate situations have to wonder where their next meal is coming from. Thirty percent of Americans are uninsured. Why does it matter what the unemployment rate is when so many are suffering?
Well before those people had no jobs, living on the government.
Nice argument. "Better than what we had before" does not mean that what we have now is good. Its arguable if it even got better with the ever growing wealth inequality between the upper and lower classes. Just admit you hate poor people and move on
So you are unhappy poor people on government assistance now have jobs. Hmmmm. Weird.
You clearly hate gov assistance. I wonder if you hate. Bank bailouts or Business bailouts etc. I mean if business got big tax breaks why are they also getting a bail out on top. Let the free market reign right. Why are we bailing out cruise ships that aren’t even registered as Americans to avoid taxes. Be consistent.
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@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
War is overrated What has Neil Walker done in his career?
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20k people is literally nothing.
It is literally 20k dead people, actually. Your opinion may be that it is figuratively nothing. You say you went to college?
We fought the 2 longest wars in American history for an attack that killed less than 1/6 of that many people. So I guess I would say that it is both literally and figuratively something.
Lol...oh you believe he went to college. Here are the only ways he went to college. He works in the food court. He went on a tour, or he registered for a remedial class.
“If everyone was a slave the unemployment would be zero”
Since you obviously don't understand this concept, allow me to explain. If everyone were a slave, the unemployment rate would in fact be zero. Everyone would have a job, just no salary. That is what is wrong with solely looking at unemployment rate. Sure the unemployment rate is low under Trump, but how many of those jobs pay a living wage or salary? The answer is not nearly enough. Over half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Children who were born into unfortunate situations have to wonder where their next meal is coming from. Thirty percent of Americans are uninsured. Why does it matter what the unemployment rate is when so many are suffering?
Well before those people had no jobs, living on the government.
Nice argument. "Better than what we had before" does not mean that what we have now is good. Its arguable if it even got better with the ever growing wealth inequality between the upper and lower classes. Just admit you hate poor people and move on
So you are unhappy poor people on government assistance now have jobs. Hmmmm. Weird.
You clearly hate gov assistance. I wonder if you hate. Bank bailouts or Business bailouts etc. I mean if business got big tax breaks why are they also getting a bail out on top. Let the free market reign right. Why are we bailing out cruise ships that aren’t even registered as Americans to avoid taxes. Be consistent.
What in the mother of god are you saying hahahaha. When this virus is over go talk to a woman. Im sure you can find one who likes beta males
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20k people is literally nothing.
It is literally 20k dead people, actually. Your opinion may be that it is figuratively nothing. You say you went to college?
We fought the 2 longest wars in American history for an attack that killed less than 1/6 of that many people. So I guess I would say that it is both literally and figuratively something.
Lol...oh you believe he went to college. Here are the only ways he went to college. He works in the food court. He went on a tour, or he registered for a remedial class.
“If everyone was a slave the unemployment would be zero”
Since you obviously don't understand this concept, allow me to explain. If everyone were a slave, the unemployment rate would in fact be zero. Everyone would have a job, just no salary. That is what is wrong with solely looking at unemployment rate. Sure the unemployment rate is low under Trump, but how many of those jobs pay a living wage or salary? The answer is not nearly enough. Over half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Children who were born into unfortunate situations have to wonder where their next meal is coming from. Thirty percent of Americans are uninsured. Why does it matter what the unemployment rate is when so many are suffering?
I really wish you didn't explain this. I was enjoying him constantly demonstrating his stupidity by quoting it and not understanding. Kid is a real goober
You are a liberal who thinks lebron james is better than michael jordan.
Yes. You can read. Remember the last time a liberal gov screwed up the country. I can’t. FDR, JFK, LBJ, Clinton and Obama all made the country better.
Every major US economic catastrophe can be traced back to specific policies of a conservative anti-regulation, pro business government. Even the rare conservative Gov that does well it is typically on the heels of a liberal or democratic government.
If conservatives like you read books and knew facts you would see this. But no...you spew utter nonsense because someone in power tells you and blames minorities and poor people so you feel better about yourself.
Meanwhile, instead of understanding that people who don’t work do so because of lack of education or opportunity. You blame them. All it would take is a small amount of research on the matter. But that would require you not being a sheep.
Obama? Hahahahahahahahahahhaa. Your party just elected a man with dementia. Four more years bud. Strap in.
I actually agree with you. Biden is a horrible candidate and we might have to persevere with 4 years of the worst president in recent history. However, Dementia Biden is still better than A racist, who doesn’t understand science, supports dictators, doesn’t understand science, doesn’t read and is the laughing stock of world leaders. And I am sure there are some fine qualities too
Half the [censored] you just said is not true. But continue living in your liberal bubble watching CNN . If it were up to me you would all be lined up and put down. It will be happening soon enough anyways. Luckily we have the guns
So you just said lined up and put down and wonder why your type is compared to Nazis. Funny thing is you said half of what I said is wrong but failed to point out what.
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20k people is literally nothing.
It is literally 20k dead people, actually. Your opinion may be that it is figuratively nothing. You say you went to college?
We fought the 2 longest wars in American history for an attack that killed less than 1/6 of that many people. So I guess I would say that it is both literally and figuratively something.
Lol...oh you believe he went to college. Here are the only ways he went to college. He works in the food court. He went on a tour, or he registered for a remedial class.
“If everyone was a slave the unemployment would be zero”
Since you obviously don't understand this concept, allow me to explain. If everyone were a slave, the unemployment rate would in fact be zero. Everyone would have a job, just no salary. That is what is wrong with solely looking at unemployment rate. Sure the unemployment rate is low under Trump, but how many of those jobs pay a living wage or salary? The answer is not nearly enough. Over half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Children who were born into unfortunate situations have to wonder where their next meal is coming from. Thirty percent of Americans are uninsured. Why does it matter what the unemployment rate is when so many are suffering?
I really wish you didn't explain this. I was enjoying him constantly demonstrating his stupidity by quoting it and not understanding. Kid is a real goober
You are a liberal who thinks lebron james is better than michael jordan.
Yes. You can read. Remember the last time a liberal gov screwed up the country. I can’t. FDR, JFK, LBJ, Clinton and Obama all made the country better.
Every major US economic catastrophe can be traced back to specific policies of a conservative anti-regulation, pro business government. Even the rare conservative Gov that does well it is typically on the heels of a liberal or democratic government.
If conservatives like you read books and knew facts you would see this. But no...you spew utter nonsense because someone in power tells you and blames minorities and poor people so you feel better about yourself.
Meanwhile, instead of understanding that people who don’t work do so because of lack of education or opportunity. You blame them. All it would take is a small amount of research on the matter. But that would require you not being a sheep.
Obama? Hahahahahahahahahahhaa. Your party just elected a man with dementia. Four more years bud. Strap in.
I actually agree with you. Biden is a horrible candidate and we might have to persevere with 4 years of the worst president in recent history. However, Dementia Biden is still better than A racist, who doesn’t understand science, supports dictators, doesn’t understand science, doesn’t read and is the laughing stock of world leaders. And I am sure there are some fine qualities too
Half the [censored] you just said is not true. But continue living in your liberal bubble watching CNN . If it were up to me you would all be lined up and put down. It will be happening soon enough anyways. Luckily we have the guns
So you just said lined up and put down and wonder why your type is compared to Nazis. Funny thing is you said half of what I said is wrong but failed to point out what.
Four more years liberal boy. Four more years. Go watch CNN and buzz off.
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I think people remember Joe Carter as fondly as they do because of context. Think about it this way:
- He was the cleanup hitter on back-to-back champion Jays teams.
- He was the best RF in the American League at the time. Canseco was better, but not by 92-93 thanks to injuries, Winfield was a DH now, and nobody else was close. The NL the only one clearly better was Tony Gwynn. Could make an argument for a young Larry Walker/Dave Justice, but they were really young at the time.
- Also remember he came up big in the WS for the Blue Jays. He had 11 RBI in 12 WS games those 2 years, including the walkoff homer that won the '93 series.
Put into context, people watching baseball between 1985-1995 thought Joe Carter was a great player. Not sure-fire HOF material, but borderline.
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20k people is literally nothing.
It is literally 20k dead people, actually. Your opinion may be that it is figuratively nothing. You say you went to college?
We fought the 2 longest wars in American history for an attack that killed less than 1/6 of that many people. So I guess I would say that it is both literally and figuratively something.
Lol...oh you believe he went to college. Here are the only ways he went to college. He works in the food court. He went on a tour, or he registered for a remedial class.
“If everyone was a slave the unemployment would be zero”
Since you obviously don't understand this concept, allow me to explain. If everyone were a slave, the unemployment rate would in fact be zero. Everyone would have a job, just no salary. That is what is wrong with solely looking at unemployment rate. Sure the unemployment rate is low under Trump, but how many of those jobs pay a living wage or salary? The answer is not nearly enough. Over half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Children who were born into unfortunate situations have to wonder where their next meal is coming from. Thirty percent of Americans are uninsured. Why does it matter what the unemployment rate is when so many are suffering?
I really wish you didn't explain this. I was enjoying him constantly demonstrating his stupidity by quoting it and not understanding. Kid is a real goober
You are a liberal who thinks lebron james is better than michael jordan.
Yes. You can read. Remember the last time a liberal gov screwed up the country. I can’t. FDR, JFK, LBJ, Clinton and Obama all made the country better.
Every major US economic catastrophe can be traced back to specific policies of a conservative anti-regulation, pro business government. Even the rare conservative Gov that does well it is typically on the heels of a liberal or democratic government.
If conservatives like you read books and knew facts you would see this. But no...you spew utter nonsense because someone in power tells you and blames minorities and poor people so you feel better about yourself.
Meanwhile, instead of understanding that people who don’t work do so because of lack of education or opportunity. You blame them. All it would take is a small amount of research on the matter. But that would require you not being a sheep.
Obama? Hahahahahahahahahahhaa. Your party just elected a man with dementia. Four more years bud. Strap in.
I actually agree with you. Biden is a horrible candidate and we might have to persevere with 4 years of the worst president in recent history. However, Dementia Biden is still better than A racist, who doesn’t understand science, supports dictators, doesn’t understand science, doesn’t read and is the laughing stock of world leaders. And I am sure there are some fine qualities too
Half the [censored] you just said is not true. But continue living in your liberal bubble watching CNN . If it were up to me you would all be lined up and put down. It will be happening soon enough anyways. Luckily we have the guns
So you just said lined up and put down and wonder why your type is compared to Nazis. Funny thing is you said half of what I said is wrong but failed to point out what.
Four more years liberal boy. Four more years. Go watch CNN and buzz off.
Yup you idiots are going to make the entire thing burn. CNN and MSNBC are your friends. If they ever decided to tell the truth with out restraint from the same corporate overlord.
You are winning and here we are.
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@dbarmonstar said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
War is overrated What has Neil Walker done in his career?
Neil Walker and Joe Carter had similar OPS, which generally means they had a similar level of production at the plate. Carter definitely had more power, while Walker was able to reach base more consistently. Neither was anything special defensively, but Walker was a better baserunner for sure.
Overall, Joe Carter compares to Ruben Sierra(derailed by injury), Dale Murphy (Who's almost certain Hall of Fame career was derailed by injury), and Carlos Lee (Who was a far better hitter than Carter)
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@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
War is overrated What has Neil Walker done in his career?
Neil Walker and Joe Carter had similar OPS, which generally means they had a similar level of production at the plate. Carter definitely had more power, while Walker was able to reach base more consistently. Neither was anything special defensively, but Walker was a better baserunner for sure.
Overall, Joe Carter compares to Ruben Sierra(derailed by injury), Dale Murphy (Who's almost certain Hall of Fame career was derailed by injury), and Carlos Lee (Who was a far better hitter than Carter)
I think Lee is a fair comp to Carter minus the clutch factor.
People forget Carter was a 30-30guy and stile 20 bases many times in the early part of his career. Walkers WAR being higher has everything to do with WAR comparing players of the same position.
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They did not have a thing called War when Joe Carter played. Stop comparing Joe Carter to players in a different time. Understand how baseball works with the changing of time. Let my help you all out. NO WAR, NO WAR. The game was not based on Sabermetrics from 1875- until the A's started using it and now every team uses it. Rules change, Strategy changes. Guys now do not care about hitting for AVG, half the teams in the league do not have true lead off hitters. You can hit 230 with 25 HR over 200 K's ok defense and still make a roster in today's game. We have more teams now than the 80's, new teams came in the mid 90's. 4 man rotation were a thing. Pitchers pitched more than 5 innings. New Ball parks, Smaller ball Parks. WAR is all formula based, nothing factual. Not all the best players have a war. I would take Joe Carter over Zimmerman any day of the week. I would take Joe Carter over Neil Walker any day of the week. Yeah War might be ok for the very best players but when you start comparing Joe Carter to Zimmerman and Neil Walker WAR does not work.
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@Maverick31762 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
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@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
War is overrated What has Neil Walker done in his career?
Neil Walker and Joe Carter had similar OPS, which generally means they had a similar level of production at the plate. Carter definitely had more power, while Walker was able to reach base more consistently. Neither was anything special defensively, but Walker was a better baserunner for sure.
Overall, Joe Carter compares to Ruben Sierra(derailed by injury), Dale Murphy (Who's almost certain Hall of Fame career was derailed by injury), and Carlos Lee (Who was a far better hitter than Carter)
I think Lee is a fair comp to Carter minus the clutch factor.
People forget Carter was a 30-30guy and stile 20 bases many times in the early part of his career. Walkers WAR being higher has everything to do with WAR comparing players of the same position.
Carlos Lee was a much better hitter. having a career slash of .285/.339/.483/.821, compared to Carter's .259/.306/.464/.771. Carter had the benefit of playing for a team at it's absolute Apex, While Carlos Lee was moved from the White Sox right before they won the least memorable World Series of All Time, and played on some awful Astros teams
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@dbarmonstar said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
They did not have a thing called War when Joe Carter played. Stop comparing Joe Carter to players in a different time. Understand how baseball works with the changing of time. Let my help you all out. NO WAR, NO WAR. The game was not based on Sabermetrics from 1875- until the A's started using it and now every team uses it. Rules change, Strategy changes. Guys now do not care about hitting for AVG, half the teams in the league do not have true lead off hitters. You can hit 230 with 25 HR over 200 K's ok defense and still make a roster in today's game. We have more teams now than the 80's, new teams came in the mid 90's. 4 man rotation were a thing. Pitchers pitched more than 5 innings. New Ball parks, Smaller ball Parks. WAR is all formula based, nothing factual. Not all the best players have a war. I would take Joe Carter over Zimmerman any day of the week. I would take Joe Carter over Neil Walker any day of the week. Yeah War might be ok for the very best players but when you start comparing Joe Carter to Zimmerman and Neil Walker WAR does not work.
Bro what lol.
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20k people is literally nothing.
It is literally 20k dead people, actually. Your opinion may be that it is figuratively nothing. You say you went to college?
We fought the 2 longest wars in American history for an attack that killed less than 1/6 of that many people. So I guess I would say that it is both literally and figuratively something.
Lol...oh you believe he went to college. Here are the only ways he went to college. He works in the food court. He went on a tour, or he registered for a remedial class.
“If everyone was a slave the unemployment would be zero”
Since you obviously don't understand this concept, allow me to explain. If everyone were a slave, the unemployment rate would in fact be zero. Everyone would have a job, just no salary. That is what is wrong with solely looking at unemployment rate. Sure the unemployment rate is low under Trump, but how many of those jobs pay a living wage or salary? The answer is not nearly enough. Over half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Children who were born into unfortunate situations have to wonder where their next meal is coming from. Thirty percent of Americans are uninsured. Why does it matter what the unemployment rate is when so many are suffering?
I really wish you didn't explain this. I was enjoying him constantly demonstrating his stupidity by quoting it and not understanding. Kid is a real goober
You are a liberal who thinks lebron james is better than michael jordan.
Yes. You can read. Remember the last time a liberal gov screwed up the country. I can’t. FDR, JFK, LBJ, Clinton and Obama all made the country better.
Every major US economic catastrophe can be traced back to specific policies of a conservative anti-regulation, pro business government. Even the rare conservative Gov that does well it is typically on the heels of a liberal or democratic government.
If conservatives like you read books and knew facts you would see this. But no...you spew utter nonsense because someone in power tells you and blames minorities and poor people so you feel better about yourself.
Meanwhile, instead of understanding that people who don’t work do so because of lack of education or opportunity. You blame them. All it would take is a small amount of research on the matter. But that would require you not being a sheep.
Obama? Hahahahahahahahahahhaa. Your party just elected a man with dementia. Four more years bud. Strap in.
I actually agree with you. Biden is a horrible candidate and we might have to persevere with 4 years of the worst president in recent history. However, Dementia Biden is still better than A racist, who doesn’t understand science, supports dictators, doesn’t understand science, doesn’t read and is the laughing stock of world leaders. And I am sure there are some fine qualities too
Half the [censored] you just said is not true. But continue living in your liberal bubble watching CNN . If it were up to me you would all be lined up and put down. It will be happening soon enough anyways. Luckily we have the guns
So you just said lined up and put down and wonder why your type is compared to Nazis. Funny thing is you said half of what I said is wrong but failed to point out what.
Four more years liberal boy. Four more years. Go watch CNN and buzz off.
Yup you idiots are going to make the entire thing burn. CNN and MSNBC are your friends. If they ever decided to tell the truth with out restraint from the same corporate overlord.
You are winning and here we are.
Here we are? As if the country was better under barrys leadership? Once again your party just conceded to trump by going all in on a man who cant talk. Find a new party
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Go look at Zimmerman and Neil Walkers Accomplishments and then Go look at Joe Carters careers. Look at the MVP voting, the AS appearances the awards over a career mean nothing you you people who only believe that a players career is solely based of War which is based on a formula and not how a player actually played.
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@ImDFC said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
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@ImDFC said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@dbarmonstar said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
War is overrated What has Neil Walker done in his career?
Neil Walker and Joe Carter had similar OPS, which generally means they had a similar level of production at the plate. Carter definitely had more power, while Walker was able to reach base more consistently. Neither was anything special defensively, but Walker was a better baserunner for sure.
Overall, Joe Carter compares to Ruben Sierra(derailed by injury), Dale Murphy (Who's almost certain Hall of Fame career was derailed by injury), and Carlos Lee (Who was a far better hitter than Carter)
I think Lee is a fair comp to Carter minus the clutch factor.
People forget Carter was a 30-30guy and stile 20 bases many times in the early part of his career. Walkers WAR being higher has everything to do with WAR comparing players of the same position.
Carlos Lee was a much better hitter. having a career slash of .285/.339/.483/.821, compared to Carter's .259/.306/.464/.771. Carter had the benefit of playing for a team at it's absolute Apex, While Carlos Lee was moved from the White Sox right before they won the least memorable World Series of All Time, and played on some awful Astros teams
No. Way. I'm a huge Sox fan, and old enough to remember Joe Carter in the early '90's, and no way. First of all you can't just throw stats around out of context. There were also about 15 .400 hitters before WW2 and none after, so did we forget how to hit?
- Carlos Lee played on the Sox when they had a great lineup. Also on his team was Magglio Ordonez, Paul Konerko, and this little known guy named Frank Thomas. He hit in the middle of all that. AND Chicago is a great place to hit...
- Joe Carter was the best RF in the AL in the 92-93 timeframe, and was the cleanup hitter on back-to-back championship teams for whom he came up huge in both WS.
- Joe Carter played the first half of his career in the post-WW2 dead ball era. So based on stats alone, everyone in the 80's and early 90's sucked. Lee however played in the steroid era, when EVERYONE hit.
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@dbarmonstar said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Go look at Zimmerman and Neil Walkers Accomplishments and then Go look at Joe Carters careers. Look at the MVP voting, the AS appearances the awards over a career mean nothing you you people who only believe that a players career is solely based of War which is based on a formula and not how a player actually played.
You dont know how to use this site. You arent responding to anyone. Anyways nobody is basing anything off war. Carter wasnt thay great outside of war. Zimmerman has a better OPS.
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@GrandpaShaft said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@dbarmonstar said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Go look at Zimmerman and Neil Walkers Accomplishments and then Go look at Joe Carters careers. Look at the MVP voting, the AS appearances the awards over a career mean nothing you you people who only believe that a players career is solely based of War which is based on a formula and not how a player actually played.
You dont know how to use this site. You arent responding to anyone. Anyways nobody is basing anything off war either. Carter wasnt thay great outside of war. Zimmerman has a better OPS. Google is free dude
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@ImDFC said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
For reference, WAR was created to compare the body of work from players from different generations. So you could compare Babe Ruth (Who never saw a slider or cutter) to Barry Bonds(Whose healthy lifestyle allowed him to peak in his late 30s)
It is flawed. You can not compare to players from different generations based on a formula. War can not tell me with facts how well Babe Ruth would have played in this generation or how well Bonds would have played back then. No Formula can ever say that with facts. WAR is overrated when comparing how a player played in there time. There is no way to compare players from different generations with a 100 percent fact.
