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  • AllRise99_NSWA Offline
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    When will this be added to the game? It’s the rule that allows baserunners to freely advance 1 base if their team has a large lead or down by a large deficit

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    It's already in the game.

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    Isn't it only if there is no one covering the base they are stealing? In this game, there is always someone at the base covering.

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    @BiigD008_XBL That is not true. Late in game, especially the 9th, in H2H games neither fielder will cover 2nd base if the team batting has a big lead.

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    I don't understand the OP question. MLB The Show already implements the defensive indifference rule. When the opposing team is up enough runs, then you won't see the first baseman cover the runner. You can steal, and the announcers will treat it like a normal stolen base. But, your stolen base tally won't increment. The game only implements this when their team is up big. Even in real baseball, generally a team won't implement the defensive indifference if a team's player steals when his team is up big. Instead, they try to throw him out and then hit the next batter with a pitch to send the message they didn't like what just happened.

    In terms of the second poster, what you say is not true. Many times I have seen a runner at first, no one on second, and the first baseman does not cover the runner.

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    In terms of the second poster, what you say is not true. Many times I have seen a runner at first, no one on second, and the first baseman does not cover the runner.

    Read the post again. I said the base they are stealing. If a baserunner attempts to steal second, and there is no throw by the catcher and neither the second baseman nor shortstop cover the bag, that is defensive indifference. I don't believe wether the first baseman covering the runner makes a difference.

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    @BiigD008_XBL said in Defensive Indifference:

    In terms of the second poster, what you say is not true. Many times I have seen a runner at first, no one on second, and the first baseman does not cover the runner.

    Read the post again. I said the base they are stealing. If a baserunner attempts to steal second, and there is no throw by the catcher and neither the second baseman nor shortstop cover the bag, that is defensive indifference. I don't believe wether the first baseman covering the runner makes a difference.

    Defensive indifference is when the 1B is not holding the runner at 1st,
    2B or SS not going to 2nd on an attempt still counts as a steal

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    @PAinPA_PSN An official scoring judgement in which a runner is not credited with a stolen base because the team playing the field did not try to stop the steal. This typically occurs late in a game when the fielding team is winning by at least two runs. The play was scored as defensive indifference.

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    @BiigD008_XBL

    Sorry, but that's incorrect again. Officially, defensive indifference is a call made by the official scorer of the game. In terms of what the rules say, when a base is stolen, the official scorer may decide to award a stolen base (which is normal) or may decide to rule it defensive indifference, and the "DI" score is posted on the game scoreboards.

    In terms of when a DI is ruled by the scorer, the most frequent time is when the first baseman decided not to cover the runner at first with second base open. And most pertinent to my first reply, this is the key when the game code in MLB The Show will rule a stolen base as DI vice credit a stolen base. I have also seen in this situation that a stolen base at third will also be ruled defensive indifference, and the key in that case will be when the third baseman chooses not to go to third for a throw.

    In my real baseball experience, as a low-level player and a lifetime fan, I have never seen DI ruled on a steal of third. But, this is because when a team has a large deficit, you just don't steal third because there is really no point because the risk isn't worth the gain. You've already got the runner in scoring position. Good teams just don't do that. You might steal second because that takes the double play out of order and puts another runner in scoring position. But, when you're down big, you need lots of hits with multiple runners in scoring position.

    There are a great many instances in which there is no throw made to second on a steal attempt from first. The most common cause is either a pitch not fielded cleanly, or a transfer from the catcher's glove to hand is fouled up and the catcher chooses against making the throw to avoid a potential error and another base advance. Other times the steal is so well timed that there simply is no chance to make the out and the throw is not made. Lack of a throw to second is really not the key that the official scorer would use to rule the play a "DI."

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