This Game is Dying
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@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
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@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
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@maurice91932_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:
The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.
Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.
Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.
Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.
I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.
My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.
Sorry that the game is too difficult for you now, maybe everything should be on rookie so everyone gets a reward. I’m in the midst of my worse season hitting like .250 you know what I’ve never thought during this? The game should be easier. It’s baseball, baseball is difficult.
You're exactly what the problem is in this community.
Because I want the game on the highest levels to be difficult? Why do you want everything handed to you?
No one wants the game to be easier, are you struggling with reading comprehension? My post mentioned absolutely nothing about how difficult the game is. One person replied giving their thoughts on why CASUAL GAMERS might be leaving the game because it can be too much of a learning curve/difficult. Do you get it now? My lord.
I don't think you've got a realistic understanding of the player base. So let's break down the numbers of the current Ranked Season
World Series - 2400 players
Championship Series - 5700 players
Division Series - 15975 players
Wild Card - 37155 players
Pennant Race - 53805 players
All Star - 103080 players
Regular Season - 130185 players
Spring Training - 72120 players, and It's safe to assume none of them have played more than one ranked game.So out of over 420,000 players, 2400 have made World Series in two weeks. That's your "competitive base" 2400 players, and sure let's add in the 5700 that are in Championship Series too. Why not?
It does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the player base of this game is, as you say "casual"
Exactly Nice breakdown. Even if you take the active player base from Pennant+ which works out to about 110k players. The amount of players who make WS works out to 2% of the active player base.
So a suggestion that WS player is average is kind of silly when you break it down over the whole player database.
When you can be in World Series winning less than 60% of your games then yes you can absolutely be average in World Series. The average player is not very good just because you volume play your way to World Series doesn’t make you good. If you were making it to World Series in 10-15 games from 700 and then making it to 1000 in 25-30 total games I’d say you were above average. But you’re at 787 after 60+ games, that is not the mark of a good player.
Winning 60% against WS caliber players is a Mark of a good player. You need to remember its skill based matchmaking. WS caliber players will play WS caliber players. If there was no skill based matchmaking and you could make WS playing players of all skills. Kind of like first 2-3 games of BR or Event you would see 80%+ win rates across. Just my opinion. We can agree to disagree.
I will use FIFA as an example. First 10 games during Weekend League there is no skill based match making. And all good players generally win 8 out of 10 games. Then once skill based matchmaking comes in ELITE players separate themselves from Good players.
But he’s not though, he’s playing guys in the 5-700s and then is able to squeak in to World Series at the end of the season playing other division series level players after all the good players are far beyond him.
I think we all know if the OP had made WS this year, they'd be flying that banner
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@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@maurice91932_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:
The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.
Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.
Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.
Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.
I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.
My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.
Sorry that the game is too difficult for you now, maybe everything should be on rookie so everyone gets a reward. I’m in the midst of my worse season hitting like .250 you know what I’ve never thought during this? The game should be easier. It’s baseball, baseball is difficult.
You're exactly what the problem is in this community.
Because I want the game on the highest levels to be difficult? Why do you want everything handed to you?
No one wants the game to be easier, are you struggling with reading comprehension? My post mentioned absolutely nothing about how difficult the game is. One person replied giving their thoughts on why CASUAL GAMERS might be leaving the game because it can be too much of a learning curve/difficult. Do you get it now? My lord.
I don't think you've got a realistic understanding of the player base. So let's break down the numbers of the current Ranked Season
World Series - 2400 players
Championship Series - 5700 players
Division Series - 15975 players
Wild Card - 37155 players
Pennant Race - 53805 players
All Star - 103080 players
Regular Season - 130185 players
Spring Training - 72120 players, and It's safe to assume none of them have played more than one ranked game.So out of over 420,000 players, 2400 have made World Series in two weeks. That's your "competitive base" 2400 players, and sure let's add in the 5700 that are in Championship Series too. Why not?
It does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the player base of this game is, as you say "casual"
wonderful post mate i had no clue about these metrics that is very cool
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@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@maurice91932_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:
The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.
Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.
Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.
Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.
I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.
My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.
Sorry that the game is too difficult for you now, maybe everything should be on rookie so everyone gets a reward. I’m in the midst of my worse season hitting like .250 you know what I’ve never thought during this? The game should be easier. It’s baseball, baseball is difficult.
You're exactly what the problem is in this community.
Because I want the game on the highest levels to be difficult? Why do you want everything handed to you?
No one wants the game to be easier, are you struggling with reading comprehension? My post mentioned absolutely nothing about how difficult the game is. One person replied giving their thoughts on why CASUAL GAMERS might be leaving the game because it can be too much of a learning curve/difficult. Do you get it now? My lord.
I don't think you've got a realistic understanding of the player base. So let's break down the numbers of the current Ranked Season
World Series - 2400 players
Championship Series - 5700 players
Division Series - 15975 players
Wild Card - 37155 players
Pennant Race - 53805 players
All Star - 103080 players
Regular Season - 130185 players
Spring Training - 72120 players, and It's safe to assume none of them have played more than one ranked game.So out of over 420,000 players, 2400 have made World Series in two weeks. That's your "competitive base" 2400 players, and sure let's add in the 5700 that are in Championship Series too. Why not?
It does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the player base of this game is, as you say "casual"
Exactly Nice breakdown. Even if you take the active player base from Pennant+ which works out to about 110k players. The amount of players who make WS works out to 2% of the active player base.
So a suggestion that WS player is average is kind of silly when you break it down over the whole player database.
When you can be in World Series winning less than 60% of your games then yes you can absolutely be average in World Series. The average player is not very good just because you volume play your way to World Series doesn’t make you good. If you were making it to World Series in 10-15 games from 700 and then making it to 1000 in 25-30 total games I’d say you were above average. But you’re at 787 after 60+ games, that is not the mark of a good player.
Winning 60% against WS caliber players is a Mark of a good player. You need to remember its skill based matchmaking. WS caliber players will play WS caliber players. If there was no skill based matchmaking and you could make WS playing players of all skills. Kind of like first 2-3 games of BR or Event you would see 80%+ win rates across. Just my opinion. We can agree to disagree.
I will use FIFA as an example. First 10 games during Weekend League there is no skill based match making. And all good players generally win 8 out of 10 games. Then once skill based matchmaking comes in ELITE players separate themselves from Good players.
But he’s not though, he’s playing guys in the 5-700s and then is able to squeak in to World Series at the end of the season playing other division series level players after all the good players are far beyond him.
I think we all know if the OP had made WS this year, they'd be flying that banner
Me thinks you are correct sir
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@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@maurice91932_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:
The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.
Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.
Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.
Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.
I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.
My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.
Sorry that the game is too difficult for you now, maybe everything should be on rookie so everyone gets a reward. I’m in the midst of my worse season hitting like .250 you know what I’ve never thought during this? The game should be easier. It’s baseball, baseball is difficult.
You're exactly what the problem is in this community.
Because I want the game on the highest levels to be difficult? Why do you want everything handed to you?
No one wants the game to be easier, are you struggling with reading comprehension? My post mentioned absolutely nothing about how difficult the game is. One person replied giving their thoughts on why CASUAL GAMERS might be leaving the game because it can be too much of a learning curve/difficult. Do you get it now? My lord.
I don't think you've got a realistic understanding of the player base. So let's break down the numbers of the current Ranked Season
World Series - 2400 players
Championship Series - 5700 players
Division Series - 15975 players
Wild Card - 37155 players
Pennant Race - 53805 players
All Star - 103080 players
Regular Season - 130185 players
Spring Training - 72120 players, and It's safe to assume none of them have played more than one ranked game.So out of over 420,000 players, 2400 have made World Series in two weeks. That's your "competitive base" 2400 players, and sure let's add in the 5700 that are in Championship Series too. Why not?
It does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the player base of this game is, as you say "casual"
Exactly Nice breakdown. Even if you take the active player base from Pennant+ which works out to about 110k players. The amount of players who make WS works out to 2% of the active player base.
So a suggestion that WS player is average is kind of silly when you break it down over the whole player database.
When you can be in World Series winning less than 60% of your games then yes you can absolutely be average in World Series. The average player is not very good just because you volume play your way to World Series doesn’t make you good. If you were making it to World Series in 10-15 games from 700 and then making it to 1000 in 25-30 total games I’d say you were above average. But you’re at 787 after 60+ games, that is not the mark of a good player.
Winning 60% against WS caliber players is a Mark of a good player. You need to remember its skill based matchmaking. WS caliber players will play WS caliber players. If there was no skill based matchmaking and you could make WS playing players of all skills. Kind of like first 2-3 games of BR or Event you would see 80%+ win rates across. Just my opinion. We can agree to disagree.
I will use FIFA as an example. First 10 games during Weekend League there is no skill based match making. And all good players generally win 8 out of 10 games. Then once skill based matchmaking comes in ELITE players separate themselves from Good players.
But he’s not though, he’s playing guys in the 5-700s and then is able to squeak in to World Series at the end of the season playing other division series level players after all the good players are far beyond him.
I think we all know if the OP had made WS this year, they'd be flying that banner
Making WS is really not that much of an accomplishment tbh.
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@raesONE-_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@maurice91932_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:
The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.
Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.
Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.
Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.
I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.
My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.
Sorry that the game is too difficult for you now, maybe everything should be on rookie so everyone gets a reward. I’m in the midst of my worse season hitting like .250 you know what I’ve never thought during this? The game should be easier. It’s baseball, baseball is difficult.
You're exactly what the problem is in this community.
Because I want the game on the highest levels to be difficult? Why do you want everything handed to you?
No one wants the game to be easier, are you struggling with reading comprehension? My post mentioned absolutely nothing about how difficult the game is. One person replied giving their thoughts on why CASUAL GAMERS might be leaving the game because it can be too much of a learning curve/difficult. Do you get it now? My lord.
I don't think you've got a realistic understanding of the player base. So let's break down the numbers of the current Ranked Season
World Series - 2400 players
Championship Series - 5700 players
Division Series - 15975 players
Wild Card - 37155 players
Pennant Race - 53805 players
All Star - 103080 players
Regular Season - 130185 players
Spring Training - 72120 players, and It's safe to assume none of them have played more than one ranked game.So out of over 420,000 players, 2400 have made World Series in two weeks. That's your "competitive base" 2400 players, and sure let's add in the 5700 that are in Championship Series too. Why not?
It does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the player base of this game is, as you say "casual"
Exactly Nice breakdown. Even if you take the active player base from Pennant+ which works out to about 110k players. The amount of players who make WS works out to 2% of the active player base.
So a suggestion that WS player is average is kind of silly when you break it down over the whole player database.
When you can be in World Series winning less than 60% of your games then yes you can absolutely be average in World Series. The average player is not very good just because you volume play your way to World Series doesn’t make you good. If you were making it to World Series in 10-15 games from 700 and then making it to 1000 in 25-30 total games I’d say you were above average. But you’re at 787 after 60+ games, that is not the mark of a good player.
Winning 60% against WS caliber players is a Mark of a good player. You need to remember its skill based matchmaking. WS caliber players will play WS caliber players. If there was no skill based matchmaking and you could make WS playing players of all skills. Kind of like first 2-3 games of BR or Event you would see 80%+ win rates across. Just my opinion. We can agree to disagree.
I will use FIFA as an example. First 10 games during Weekend League there is no skill based match making. And all good players generally win 8 out of 10 games. Then once skill based matchmaking comes in ELITE players separate themselves from Good players.
But he’s not though, he’s playing guys in the 5-700s and then is able to squeak in to World Series at the end of the season playing other division series level players after all the good players are far beyond him.
I think we all know if the OP had made WS this year, they'd be flying that banner
Making WS is really not that much of an accomplishment tbh.
Hey something we agree on
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@raesONE-_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@maurice91932_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:
The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.
Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.
Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.
Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.
I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.
My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.
Sorry that the game is too difficult for you now, maybe everything should be on rookie so everyone gets a reward. I’m in the midst of my worse season hitting like .250 you know what I’ve never thought during this? The game should be easier. It’s baseball, baseball is difficult.
You're exactly what the problem is in this community.
Because I want the game on the highest levels to be difficult? Why do you want everything handed to you?
No one wants the game to be easier, are you struggling with reading comprehension? My post mentioned absolutely nothing about how difficult the game is. One person replied giving their thoughts on why CASUAL GAMERS might be leaving the game because it can be too much of a learning curve/difficult. Do you get it now? My lord.
I don't think you've got a realistic understanding of the player base. So let's break down the numbers of the current Ranked Season
World Series - 2400 players
Championship Series - 5700 players
Division Series - 15975 players
Wild Card - 37155 players
Pennant Race - 53805 players
All Star - 103080 players
Regular Season - 130185 players
Spring Training - 72120 players, and It's safe to assume none of them have played more than one ranked game.So out of over 420,000 players, 2400 have made World Series in two weeks. That's your "competitive base" 2400 players, and sure let's add in the 5700 that are in Championship Series too. Why not?
It does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the player base of this game is, as you say "casual"
Exactly Nice breakdown. Even if you take the active player base from Pennant+ which works out to about 110k players. The amount of players who make WS works out to 2% of the active player base.
So a suggestion that WS player is average is kind of silly when you break it down over the whole player database.
When you can be in World Series winning less than 60% of your games then yes you can absolutely be average in World Series. The average player is not very good just because you volume play your way to World Series doesn’t make you good. If you were making it to World Series in 10-15 games from 700 and then making it to 1000 in 25-30 total games I’d say you were above average. But you’re at 787 after 60+ games, that is not the mark of a good player.
Winning 60% against WS caliber players is a Mark of a good player. You need to remember its skill based matchmaking. WS caliber players will play WS caliber players. If there was no skill based matchmaking and you could make WS playing players of all skills. Kind of like first 2-3 games of BR or Event you would see 80%+ win rates across. Just my opinion. We can agree to disagree.
I will use FIFA as an example. First 10 games during Weekend League there is no skill based match making. And all good players generally win 8 out of 10 games. Then once skill based matchmaking comes in ELITE players separate themselves from Good players.
But he’s not though, he’s playing guys in the 5-700s and then is able to squeak in to World Series at the end of the season playing other division series level players after all the good players are far beyond him.
I think we all know if the OP had made WS this year, they'd be flying that banner
Making WS is really not that much of an accomplishment tbh.
its absolutely 0 accomplishment today - i believe you can get from just playing innings right ? back then you actually had to hit the 900
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@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
Passionate about playing the game at a high level? You’re 123-90, you’ve never played the game at a “high level” barely anybody on this forum has. You’re just not as good as you think you are and are upset about it. The game is not going anywhere. For every one salty dude like you who quits another 100 will pick the game up.
Buddy, I've been a 900+ rated player every season I've played since DD became a thing. I think we can agree that this would be considered high level.
You were 40-23 last year overall.. highest you got to last year was 708.. so that’s a lie.
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@TheHungryHole said in This Game is Dying:
@raesONE-_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@lightshow_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
@The_Canuckler said in This Game is Dying:
@maurice91932_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:
The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.
Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.
Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.
Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.
I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.
My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.
Sorry that the game is too difficult for you now, maybe everything should be on rookie so everyone gets a reward. I’m in the midst of my worse season hitting like .250 you know what I’ve never thought during this? The game should be easier. It’s baseball, baseball is difficult.
You're exactly what the problem is in this community.
Because I want the game on the highest levels to be difficult? Why do you want everything handed to you?
No one wants the game to be easier, are you struggling with reading comprehension? My post mentioned absolutely nothing about how difficult the game is. One person replied giving their thoughts on why CASUAL GAMERS might be leaving the game because it can be too much of a learning curve/difficult. Do you get it now? My lord.
I don't think you've got a realistic understanding of the player base. So let's break down the numbers of the current Ranked Season
World Series - 2400 players
Championship Series - 5700 players
Division Series - 15975 players
Wild Card - 37155 players
Pennant Race - 53805 players
All Star - 103080 players
Regular Season - 130185 players
Spring Training - 72120 players, and It's safe to assume none of them have played more than one ranked game.So out of over 420,000 players, 2400 have made World Series in two weeks. That's your "competitive base" 2400 players, and sure let's add in the 5700 that are in Championship Series too. Why not?
It does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the player base of this game is, as you say "casual"
Exactly Nice breakdown. Even if you take the active player base from Pennant+ which works out to about 110k players. The amount of players who make WS works out to 2% of the active player base.
So a suggestion that WS player is average is kind of silly when you break it down over the whole player database.
When you can be in World Series winning less than 60% of your games then yes you can absolutely be average in World Series. The average player is not very good just because you volume play your way to World Series doesn’t make you good. If you were making it to World Series in 10-15 games from 700 and then making it to 1000 in 25-30 total games I’d say you were above average. But you’re at 787 after 60+ games, that is not the mark of a good player.
Winning 60% against WS caliber players is a Mark of a good player. You need to remember its skill based matchmaking. WS caliber players will play WS caliber players. If there was no skill based matchmaking and you could make WS playing players of all skills. Kind of like first 2-3 games of BR or Event you would see 80%+ win rates across. Just my opinion. We can agree to disagree.
I will use FIFA as an example. First 10 games during Weekend League there is no skill based match making. And all good players generally win 8 out of 10 games. Then once skill based matchmaking comes in ELITE players separate themselves from Good players.
But he’s not though, he’s playing guys in the 5-700s and then is able to squeak in to World Series at the end of the season playing other division series level players after all the good players are far beyond him.
I think we all know if the OP had made WS this year, they'd be flying that banner
Making WS is really not that much of an accomplishment tbh.
its absolutely 0 accomplishment today - i believe you can get from just playing innings right ? back then you actually had to hit the 900
Really? I didn't know that since I'm not playing this year, all I know is that you had to hit 900. But even that wasn't hard. Are you sure you're not confused with the WS rewards? I think you can get the player pack through innings but not the actual banner or "accomplishment".
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If HoF and Legend used All-Star pitch speeds, I think that would be a positive change. Smaller PCI on higher difficulties is fine, but the subpar matchmaking system is far too inconsistent to support super fast pitch speeds like HOF/Legend has online currently.
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I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:
The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.
Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.
Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.
Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.
I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.
My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.
Sorry that the game is too difficult for you now, maybe everything should be on rookie so everyone gets a reward. I’m in the midst of my worse season hitting like .250 you know what I’ve never thought during this? The game should be easier. It’s baseball, baseball is difficult.
You're exactly what the problem is in this community.
Because I want the game on the highest levels to be difficult? Why do you want everything handed to you?
No one wants the game to be easier, are you struggling with reading comprehension? My post mentioned absolutely nothing about how difficult the game is. One person replied giving their thoughts on why CASUAL GAMERS might be leaving the game because it can be too much of a learning curve/difficult. Do you get it now? My lord.
I don't think you've got a realistic understanding of the player base. So let's break down the numbers of the current Ranked Season
World Series - 2400 players
Championship Series - 5700 players
Division Series - 15975 players
Wild Card - 37155 players
Pennant Race - 53805 players
All Star - 103080 players
Regular Season - 130185 players
Spring Training - 72120 players, and It's safe to assume none of them have played more than one ranked game.So out of over 420,000 players, 2400 have made World Series in two weeks. That's your "competitive base" 2400 players, and sure let's add in the 5700 that are in Championship Series too. Why not?
It does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the player base of this game is, as you say "casual"
Exactly Nice breakdown. Even if you take the active player base from Pennant+ which works out to about 110k players. The amount of players who make WS works out to 2% of the active player base.
So a suggestion that WS player is average is kind of silly when you break it down over the whole player database.
When you can be in World Series winning less than 60% of your games then yes you can absolutely be average in World Series. The average player is not very good just because you volume play your way to World Series doesn’t make you good. If you were making it to World Series in 10-15 games from 700 and then making it to 1000 in 25-30 total games I’d say you were above average. But you’re at 787 after 60+ games, that is not the mark of a good player.
Winning 60% against WS caliber players is a Mark of a good player. You need to remember its skill based matchmaking. WS caliber players will play WS caliber players. If there was no skill based matchmaking and you could make WS playing players of all skills. Kind of like first 2-3 games of BR or Event you would see 80%+ win rates across. Just my opinion. We can agree to disagree.
I will use FIFA as an example. First 10 games during Weekend League there is no skill based match making. And all good players generally win 8 out of 10 games. Then once skill based matchmaking comes in ELITE players separate themselves from Good players.
But he’s not though, he’s playing guys in the 5-700s and then is able to squeak in to World Series at the end of the season playing other division series level players after all the good players are far beyond him.
I think we all know if the OP had made WS this year, they'd be flying that banner
Making WS is really not that much of an accomplishment tbh.
its absolutely 0 accomplishment today - i believe you can get from just playing innings right ? back then you actually had to hit the 900
Really? I didn't know that since I'm not playing this year, all I know is that you had to hit 900. But even that wasn't hard. Are you sure you're not confused with the WS rewards? I think you can get the player pack through innings but not the actual banner or "accomplishment".
oh you could be right too brother - honestly i have played under 15 RS games this year - very out of it but i always said how i liked the idea of certain rewards SHOULD be hard to get
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@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
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@NR7LES_XBL said in This Game is Dying:
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@maurice91932_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:
The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.
Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.
Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.
Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.
I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.
My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.
Sorry that the game is too difficult for you now, maybe everything should be on rookie so everyone gets a reward. I’m in the midst of my worse season hitting like .250 you know what I’ve never thought during this? The game should be easier. It’s baseball, baseball is difficult.
You're exactly what the problem is in this community.
Because I want the game on the highest levels to be difficult? Why do you want everything handed to you?
No one wants the game to be easier, are you struggling with reading comprehension? My post mentioned absolutely nothing about how difficult the game is. One person replied giving their thoughts on why CASUAL GAMERS might be leaving the game because it can be too much of a learning curve/difficult. Do you get it now? My lord.
I can confirm that he struggles with reading comprehension.
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I can guarantee if we had 18’s gameplay again you all would be screaming about how easy it is and how casuals are able to compete with you because of it.
Nobody wants that and you know it. Worst game ever released. Now if you talk about 16 or 17. Pitch speeds were the same for every level but the higher you got the PCI became smaller. (That's how I recall it anyway) If it’s like that I'm all in. Don't know why my history doesn't show much when I have played online every year but I sure played more online when the game was like that.
Pitch speeds can’t be the same from all star to legend. That would be terrible. We had that in 18 as well.
I think it would actually be a great idea. And then the higher the difficulty, the smaller the PCI and the higher your PCI rating should be to get a good result. Problem with 18 (one of many) was that the contact area was ridiculously large and you could pull balls out of the dirt into the stands. They should punish you for chasing a baseball outside the strikezone. And yeah yeah yeah Vlad Sr did it all the time in real life blablabla. It's a game, not real baseball.
So right now from this thread pitch speeds on all star are too much for casuals and so you’re going to advocate for universal pitch speeds at what difficulty?
Like I said in the edit of my post, I personally think that the sweet spot for universal pitch speeds would be somewhere in between AS and HOF. But here's the thing, it's not about me. The top players in this game who play legend all the time is probably <5% so I don't think they should cater everything to that group of players. But if the PCI is so ridiculously small on legend and if you actually get punished for swinging at bad pitches, that will show who the real stick gods are and who has the best eye in the game.
So essentially back to 18? And the casuals that can’t handle all star pitch speeds now?
No 18 was way too forgiving for bad swings and the area of solid contact was huge.
I mean, in 18 you couldn't even use the FB because it was too easy to hit. They then added a spam restriction in 19 on secondary pitches because of it.
Take out the lineout fest and 19 was pretty great. Like you said, a mix between AS and HoF and removing the outlier perk (or nerfing it a bit) would be great.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in This Game is Dying:
If HoF and Legend used All-Star pitch speeds, I think that would be a positive change. Smaller PCI on higher difficulties is fine, but the subpar matchmaking system is far too inconsistent to support super fast pitch speeds like HOF/Legend has online currently.
Very true.
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I can guarantee if we had 18’s gameplay again you all would be screaming about how easy it is and how casuals are able to compete with you because of it.
Nobody wants that and you know it. Worst game ever released. Now if you talk about 16 or 17. Pitch speeds were the same for every level but the higher you got the PCI became smaller. (That's how I recall it anyway) If it’s like that I'm all in. Don't know why my history doesn't show much when I have played online every year but I sure played more online when the game was like that.
Pitch speeds can’t be the same from all star to legend. That would be terrible. We had that in 18 as well.
I think it would actually be a great idea. And then the higher the difficulty, the smaller the PCI and the higher your PCI rating should be to get a good result. Problem with 18 (one of many) was that the contact area was ridiculously large and you could pull balls out of the dirt into the stands. They should punish you for chasing a baseball outside the strikezone. And yeah yeah yeah Vlad Sr did it all the time in real life blablabla. It's a game, not real baseball.
So right now from this thread pitch speeds on all star are too much for casuals and so you’re going to advocate for universal pitch speeds at what difficulty?
Like I said in the edit of my post, I personally think that the sweet spot for universal pitch speeds would be somewhere in between AS and HOF. But here's the thing, it's not about me. The top players in this game who play legend all the time is probably <5% so I don't think they should cater everything to that group of players. But if the PCI is so ridiculously small on legend and if you actually get punished for swinging at bad pitches, that will show who the real stick gods are and who has the best eye in the game.
So essentially back to 18? And the casuals that can’t handle all star pitch speeds now?
No 18 was way too forgiving for bad swings and the area of solid contact was huge.
I mean, in 18 you couldn't even use the FB because it was too easy to hit. They then added a spam restriction in 19 on secondary pitches because of it.
Take out the lineout fest and 19 was pretty great. Like you said, a mix between AS and HoF and removing the outlier perk (or nerfing it a bit) would be great.
But you have to take into consideration that it was too easy because the area of solid contact and the PCI were way too large and forgiving. Those two things are heavily connected. I guarantee you if the PCI is tiny as heck, it will get a lot harder to hit that same pitch.
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@maurice91932_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:
The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.
Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.
Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.
Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.
I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.
My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.
Sorry that the game is too difficult for you now, maybe everything should be on rookie so everyone gets a reward. I’m in the midst of my worse season hitting like .250 you know what I’ve never thought during this? The game should be easier. It’s baseball, baseball is difficult.
You're exactly what the problem is in this community.
Because I want the game on the highest levels to be difficult? Why do you want everything handed to you?
No one wants the game to be easier, are you struggling with reading comprehension? My post mentioned absolutely nothing about how difficult the game is. One person replied giving their thoughts on why CASUAL GAMERS might be leaving the game because it can be too much of a learning curve/difficult. Do you get it now? My lord.
Maurice literally wants the game to be easier he’s been complaining about it for weeks, multiple posts about how the game is too difficult.
Honestly I think you should just quit and leave the forums it would be better for your mental health because right now.. wow..
We're trying to offer an open dialogue here -- you're attacking everyone posting and getting personal. Why? It's a conversation my dude. Take a deep breath and move on if you have nothing of value to contribute to the conversation.
Nah “my dude” the game isn’t dying. Every post from you is about how the game is terrible wah wah wah. Why don’t you go make another post about how you beat someone with lots of hours in and then attack everyone for telling you how stupid a post that was.
Come play a REAL competitive "high level" game like CSGO. This game never been competitive it's RNG location based game. My dude you never ever played a Esport league season in your life you don't know high level skill LOL.
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All of my co-workers love and play sports games. None of them play this game. Why? It's too hard, for all of them.
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Has nobody been paying attention to other games like for example Street Fighter 6? Check out their online matchmaking and filtering opponents online, how come SDS can't do this? Incompetent developers with no intent to improve. But hey enjoy grinding the same old cards, again and again every year LMFAO.
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Runescape has more players online then this game like thats bad LOOOOL.
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@BestPalV_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
Has nobody been paying attention to other games like for example Street Fighter 6? Check out their online matchmaking and filtering opponents online, how come SDS can't do this? Incompetent developers with no intent to improve. But hey enjoy grinding the same old cards, again and again every year LMFAO.
I would assume other games have their own community forums. This one is for MLB the Show
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@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
@BestPalV_PSN said in This Game is Dying:
Has nobody been paying attention to other games like for example Street Fighter 6? Check out their online matchmaking and filtering opponents online, how come SDS can't do this? Incompetent developers with no intent to improve. But hey enjoy grinding the same old cards, again and again every year LMFAO.
I would assume other games have their own community forums. This one is for MLB the Show
mad this game online is bad compare to other games.
