Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?
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I saw them both play and giving Carew better power is like giving Gwynn amazing power because he had a great slugging percentage in 1994.
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@SaveFarris_PSN said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
So…I guess SDS just randomly makes these ratings up? Tbh…that sort of feels like the best explanation.
If they didn’t, every single lineup would be Ruth, Aaron, Sosa, Mays etc.
Not if they made a game that didn’t only reward those who swing for HRs every time.
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@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
Really?
Is access to Baseball-reference.com blocked in the SDS offices by the IT guys?
Carew hit 92 HRs in his career...in 9315 ABs.
Morgan hit 268...in almost the same amount of ABs...9277.
Carew 86 POW R/73 POW L
Morgan 82 POW R/71 POW LBoth are Diamond 99 cards in the Charisma series...so I'm assuming these are supposed to represent these players at their PEAK.
How/why does the guy with 92 career HRs have better POW than the guy with 268?
I'll wait patiently for an answer from the staunch SDS defenders on this forum.
And for anyone who wants to say "who cares"...if they gave LS Arraez better POW ratings than LS Trout...you'd think that was stupid, no?
You make a good point but to play devils advocate let throw out some facts. Joe Morgan played in a band box. Riverfront was literally hitting down hill (stadium was actually on a downhill angle). It didn’t take much to have a ball get out of there especially in the summer. So what did Cincy do, build an even smaller ball park. Rod Carew played the majority of his career in Minnesota before the Metrodome was built. Metropolitan Stadium was not known for its ease to get out of especially early in the season for obvious reasons.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
Really?
Is access to Baseball-reference.com blocked in the SDS offices by the IT guys?
Carew hit 92 HRs in his career...in 9315 ABs.
Morgan hit 268...in almost the same amount of ABs...9277.
Carew 86 POW R/73 POW L
Morgan 82 POW R/71 POW LBoth are Diamond 99 cards in the Charisma series...so I'm assuming these are supposed to represent these players at their PEAK.
How/why does the guy with 92 career HRs have better POW than the guy with 268?
I'll wait patiently for an answer from the staunch SDS defenders on this forum.
And for anyone who wants to say "who cares"...if they gave LS Arraez better POW ratings than LS Trout...you'd think that was stupid, no?
You make a good point but to play devils advocate let throw out some facts. Joe Morgan played in a band box. Three rivers was literally hitting down hill (stadium was actually on a downhill angle). It didn’t take much to have a ball get out of there especially in the summer. So what did Cincy do, build an even smaller ball park. Rod Carew played the majority of his career in Minnesota before the Metrodome was built. Metropolitan Stadium was not known for its ease to get out of especially early in the season for obvious reasons.
The stadium isn’t why Rod Carew wasn’t hitting homeruns. All your doing is assuming things that aren’t factual. His career slugging is better at this supposed drain of a stadium, Metropolitan Stadium, than his career mark. He had ZERO power and this card they gave him is fictional.
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@fubar2k7_PSN said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
Really?
Is access to Baseball-reference.com blocked in the SDS offices by the IT guys?
Carew hit 92 HRs in his career...in 9315 ABs.
Morgan hit 268...in almost the same amount of ABs...9277.
Carew 86 POW R/73 POW L
Morgan 82 POW R/71 POW LBoth are Diamond 99 cards in the Charisma series...so I'm assuming these are supposed to represent these players at their PEAK.
How/why does the guy with 92 career HRs have better POW than the guy with 268?
I'll wait patiently for an answer from the staunch SDS defenders on this forum.
And for anyone who wants to say "who cares"...if they gave LS Arraez better POW ratings than LS Trout...you'd think that was stupid, no?
You make a good point but to play devils advocate let throw out some facts. Joe Morgan played in a band box. Three rivers was literally hitting down hill (stadium was actually on a downhill angle). It didn’t take much to have a ball get out of there especially in the summer. So what did Cincy do, build an even smaller ball park. Rod Carew played the majority of his career in Minnesota before the Metrodome was built. Metropolitan Stadium was not known for its ease to get out of especially early in the season for obvious reasons.
The stadium isn’t why Rod Carew wasn’t hitting homeruns. All your doing is assuming things that aren’t factual. His career slugging is better at this supposed drain of a stadium, Metropolitan Stadium, than his career mark. He had ZERO power and this card they gave him is fictional.
No I’m not assuming anything. The difference in both those stadiums is stark. Riverfront Stadium was ridiculous. It was on a downhill slope. That is a fact. Hitting at the Met was far more challenging from a home run standpoint. And again I was merely playing devils advocate. I’m not saying Joe Morgan didn’t have more power, but to say the stadium didn’t have a little to do with both of those players homer outputs is just ignorant. I am saying Joe Morgan’s career homer output would have been less if he spent his career In Minnesota than where he spent his playing days in Cincy. Can you honestly say that Todd Helton’s career marks would be the same if hadn’t spent his entire career in Colorado. All advance metrics say that players had significantly higher outputs in Colorado than away from Colorado. So we can make calculations based on field metrics. That is why field independent metrics exist.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@fubar2k7_PSN said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
Really?
Is access to Baseball-reference.com blocked in the SDS offices by the IT guys?
Carew hit 92 HRs in his career...in 9315 ABs.
Morgan hit 268...in almost the same amount of ABs...9277.
Carew 86 POW R/73 POW L
Morgan 82 POW R/71 POW LBoth are Diamond 99 cards in the Charisma series...so I'm assuming these are supposed to represent these players at their PEAK.
How/why does the guy with 92 career HRs have better POW than the guy with 268?
I'll wait patiently for an answer from the staunch SDS defenders on this forum.
And for anyone who wants to say "who cares"...if they gave LS Arraez better POW ratings than LS Trout...you'd think that was stupid, no?
You make a good point but to play devils advocate let throw out some facts. Joe Morgan played in a band box. Three rivers was literally hitting down hill (stadium was actually on a downhill angle). It didn’t take much to have a ball get out of there especially in the summer. So what did Cincy do, build an even smaller ball park. Rod Carew played the majority of his career in Minnesota before the Metrodome was built. Metropolitan Stadium was not known for its ease to get out of especially early in the season for obvious reasons.
The stadium isn’t why Rod Carew wasn’t hitting homeruns. All your doing is assuming things that aren’t factual. His career slugging is better at this supposed drain of a stadium, Metropolitan Stadium, than his career mark. He had ZERO power and this card they gave him is fictional.
No I’m not assuming anything. The difference in both those stadiums is stark. Riverfront Stadium was ridiculous. It was on a downhill slope. That is a fact. Hitting at the Met was far more challenging from a home run standpoint. And again I was merely playing devils advocate. I’m not saying Joe Morgan didn’t have more power, but to say the stadium didn’t have a little to do with both of those players homer outputs is just ignorant. I am saying Joe Morgan’s career homer output would have been less if he spent his career In Minnesota than where he spent his playing days in Cincy. Can you honestly say that Todd Helton’s career marks would be the same if hadn’t spent his entire career in Colorado. All advance metrics say that players had significantly higher outputs in Colorado than away from Colorado. So we can make calculations based on field metrics. That is why field independent metrics exist.
Morgan only spent 8 of his 22 seasons in Cincinnati first of all and played about 600 of 2600 games in that home stadium.
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@fubar2k7_PSN said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@fubar2k7_PSN said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
Really?
Is access to Baseball-reference.com blocked in the SDS offices by the IT guys?
Carew hit 92 HRs in his career...in 9315 ABs.
Morgan hit 268...in almost the same amount of ABs...9277.
Carew 86 POW R/73 POW L
Morgan 82 POW R/71 POW LBoth are Diamond 99 cards in the Charisma series...so I'm assuming these are supposed to represent these players at their PEAK.
How/why does the guy with 92 career HRs have better POW than the guy with 268?
I'll wait patiently for an answer from the staunch SDS defenders on this forum.
And for anyone who wants to say "who cares"...if they gave LS Arraez better POW ratings than LS Trout...you'd think that was stupid, no?
You make a good point but to play devils advocate let throw out some facts. Joe Morgan played in a band box. Three rivers was literally hitting down hill (stadium was actually on a downhill angle). It didn’t take much to have a ball get out of there especially in the summer. So what did Cincy do, build an even smaller ball park. Rod Carew played the majority of his career in Minnesota before the Metrodome was built. Metropolitan Stadium was not known for its ease to get out of especially early in the season for obvious reasons.
The stadium isn’t why Rod Carew wasn’t hitting homeruns. All your doing is assuming things that aren’t factual. His career slugging is better at this supposed drain of a stadium, Metropolitan Stadium, than his career mark. He had ZERO power and this card they gave him is fictional.
No I’m not assuming anything. The difference in both those stadiums is stark. Riverfront Stadium was ridiculous. It was on a downhill slope. That is a fact. Hitting at the Met was far more challenging from a home run standpoint. And again I was merely playing devils advocate. I’m not saying Joe Morgan didn’t have more power, but to say the stadium didn’t have a little to do with both of those players homer outputs is just ignorant. I am saying Joe Morgan’s career homer output would have been less if he spent his career In Minnesota than where he spent his playing days in Cincy. Can you honestly say that Todd Helton’s career marks would be the same if hadn’t spent his entire career in Colorado. All advance metrics say that players had significantly higher outputs in Colorado than away from Colorado. So we can make calculations based on field metrics. That is why field independent metrics exist.
Morgan only spent 8 of his 22 seasons in Cincinnati first of all and played about 600 of 2600 games in that home stadium.
Well if you’re going to cherry pick stats he hit 152 home runs as a member of the big red machine which encompasses his most productive years as a major leaguer. He also played in the astrodome and predictably saw his power numbers struggle (72 homers across 10 seasons) hence the ISO power numbers which take into effect the ballpark which he played in. There is no question that Riverfront aided in his power numbers. So please stop with this silly argument. I never said that Carew was a more powerful hitter. Like I said before I was playing the other side of the argument. Which took into account their performances based on the ballparks they would spend most of their productive seasons in. Not sure what part of that argument you don’t understand. And not to nitpick but Joe Morgan played closer to 750 of his career games at that stadium as he spent all but 1 year as a NL player and as a member of the Astros, Giants and Phillies he would play 6 and later 8-9 games, after the expansion of the schedule, at that ballpark as the visitor. I can toss out numbers with you all day bud. Have a good day!!!!
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Seems silly to worry about. Just a game , the numbers over the bars in relation to the players real life ability don’t need to correspond
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@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
Seems silly to worry about. Just a game , the numbers over the bars in relation to the players real life ability don’t need to correspond
Then why pay millions to license them? Just make up fictional players instead. Put characters from movies in the game.
Let’s have an Aaron Judge card that’s a 5-foot-4 slap hitting middle infielder!
And then a 6-10 Altuve who plays OF and hits 500 foot bombs.
Speaking of tall guys…NBA 2K always seems to have “success” pushing packs with Tacko Fall in them. Let’s see if SDS can do the same!
Tacko Fall in The Show! Sounds like so much fun…maybe if we were all 6 and spent our afternoons eating lead paint chips as a snack.
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Guys guys guys.
Don't argue about fake superhero cards. They're fake. And superhero. If verisimilitude is important to you, play franchise on HOF or Legend, maybe.
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@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
Seems silly to worry about. Just a game , the numbers over the bars in relation to the players real life ability don’t need to correspond
Then why pay millions to license them? Just make up fictional players instead. Put characters from movies in the game.
Let’s have an Aaron Judge card that’s a 5-foot-4 slap hitting middle infielder!
And then a 6-10 Altuve who plays OF and hits 500 foot bombs.
Speaking of tall guys…NBA 2K always seems to have “success” pushing packs with Tacko Fall in them. Let’s see if SDS can do the same!
Tacko Fall in The Show! Sounds like so much fun…maybe if we were all 6 and spent our afternoons eating lead paint chips as a snack.
The game is all about fantasy baseball anyways so why not just make up whatever ratings you wish for any player. They should make Mark McGwire faster than Rickey Henderson.
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@fubar2k7_PSN said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in Why TF Does Rod Carew Have Better POW Ratings Than Joe Morgan?:
Seems silly to worry about. Just a game , the numbers over the bars in relation to the players real life ability don’t need to correspond
Then why pay millions to license them? Just make up fictional players instead. Put characters from movies in the game.
Let’s have an Aaron Judge card that’s a 5-foot-4 slap hitting middle infielder!
And then a 6-10 Altuve who plays OF and hits 500 foot bombs.
Speaking of tall guys…NBA 2K always seems to have “success” pushing packs with Tacko Fall in them. Let’s see if SDS can do the same!
Tacko Fall in The Show! Sounds like so much fun…maybe if we were all 6 and spent our afternoons eating lead paint chips as a snack.
The game is all about fantasy baseball anyways so why not just make up whatever ratings you wish for any player. They should make Mark McGwire faster than Rickey Henderson.
While we’re at it, can we change McGwire’s swing and give him Griffey’s instead?
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