SDS Messed Around and Broke Their Game
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@squid_adams_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
Wow!! It wasn’t but a week or two am I was thinking to myself “Wow, this game is starting to feel like one of the better Show games I’ve played” after a a month or two of thinking the excessive home runs would ruin it before we even got to the 3rd inning program.
Boy, has something gone wrong. Even games I’m winning I still can’t help but think this game is doomed in the condition SDS has left it in. Let me just bullet point all the issues I’ve encountered in the past week or so.
- Was about to win an event game. Routine grounder to the first baseman. Hit circle to end the game, but inexplicably he starts running toward home. Circle was the only button I pressed.
-Caught stealing on several occasions. Perfect jump, but sometimes you can literally see the game slow the runner down with some janky animation that looks like he got a cramp halfway to second or third base, allowing the catcher to throw him out.
-Lost the lead in another game when my opponent decides to run home like an idiot. He’s not even halfway there and I throw the ball to my catcher who proceeds to not even attempt a tag.
-PCI placement doesn’t seem to mean anything. My opponents keep missing the ball or getting on top of it or under it…either some silly ground ball base hit, or bloop…or of course a home run (which are still excessive, but with the condition the game is in now it feels less egregious)
-Semi regular errors. Ground balls are apparently hard for diamond defenders and routine throws are off target by 20 feet. Has happened enough, and always in crucial late game situations….it feels like sometimes the game is literally preventing you from winning (which after sinking 20 minutes or more into that particular game, is not what you want)
Anyone else noticed this? The game was playing so smoothly and they just went in and nuked it with the last update.
Don't forget the speed of light fastballs.
- Was about to win an event game. Routine grounder to the first baseman. Hit circle to end the game, but inexplicably he starts running toward home. Circle was the only button I pressed.
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@dcmo3_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
@lucas8181_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
@dcmo3_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
@lucas8181_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
@squid_adams_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
I feel like I had wide throws using the accuracy meter.
only if you stop it in the yellow.
Base stealing "cramp", is the other user's throw meter (it's been this way for years). How would you suggest they handle it differently? The game pauses as the catcher times up the throw, you're going to see that too. You can't stop time for one and not for the other.
Differently? If that's the problem, then you eliminate that option for the catcher, and just have him throw the ball. Also, they can just cut out the bad jump [censored]. Annoying as hell when I have a 99/99 runner, and he doesn't even go until the pitcher is getting ready to release the ball. It's like my runner doesn't even know he's going for a steal until the pitcher is close to releasing the ball, and then it's an easy out.
Another bs thing in this game is JD Martinez and his supposedly worthless arm, throwing people out at 2nd and even home plate. He has no arm strength or accuracy, but yet still makes throws he has no business making.
This game totally has issues.So you want to remove the throw meter and just have RNG determine the catchers throw?
No judgement, just a question. that's the only other option you've put forth.
The game is terrible, I came back to grind offline TA stuff and deleted it again. It's not going to get better. But, there are real issues. A throw meter for catchers is not one of them.
I haven't experienced it, but if it's going to slow my runner down, then yeah. My runner is a 99; I want to fly. What really yanks my chain though, is my runner just standing there while the pitcher is going to the plate, before he decides he's going to go. It's like he doesn't even know he's supposed to be stealing.
Eliminating the catcher throw meter is taking away for your opponent the opportunity for them to control the accuracy of the throw, which sounds like something you’re against though, based on your opening post.
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I don’t have the answer but how many qualified MLB players had zero errors the past few years? The games outcomes are RNG based so errors should be as well because EVERYONE throws them. So a guy who can time the accuracy meter perfect every time is unrealistic
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@lazy_toast_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
I don’t have the answer but how many qualified MLB players had zero errors the past few years? The games outcomes are RNG based so errors should be as well because EVERYONE throws them. So a guy who can time the accuracy meter perfect every time is unrealistic
Well on those extremely tough plays, the green zone becomes extremely narrow so it does become harder to hit. But routine plays should be routine, hence the large green area
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@red_ted_is_back said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
@dcmo3_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
@lucas8181_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
@dcmo3_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
@lucas8181_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
@squid_adams_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
I feel like I had wide throws using the accuracy meter.
only if you stop it in the yellow.
Base stealing "cramp", is the other user's throw meter (it's been this way for years). How would you suggest they handle it differently? The game pauses as the catcher times up the throw, you're going to see that too. You can't stop time for one and not for the other.
Differently? If that's the problem, then you eliminate that option for the catcher, and just have him throw the ball. Also, they can just cut out the bad jump [censored]. Annoying as hell when I have a 99/99 runner, and he doesn't even go until the pitcher is getting ready to release the ball. It's like my runner doesn't even know he's going for a steal until the pitcher is close to releasing the ball, and then it's an easy out.
Another bs thing in this game is JD Martinez and his supposedly worthless arm, throwing people out at 2nd and even home plate. He has no arm strength or accuracy, but yet still makes throws he has no business making.
This game totally has issues.So you want to remove the throw meter and just have RNG determine the catchers throw?
No judgement, just a question. that's the only other option you've put forth.
The game is terrible, I came back to grind offline TA stuff and deleted it again. It's not going to get better. But, there are real issues. A throw meter for catchers is not one of them.
I haven't experienced it, but if it's going to slow my runner down, then yeah. My runner is a 99; I want to fly. What really yanks my chain though, is my runner just standing there while the pitcher is going to the plate, before he decides he's going to go. It's like he doesn't even know he's supposed to be stealing.
Eliminating the catcher throw meter is taking away for your opponent the opportunity for them to control the accuracy of the throw, which sounds like something you’re against though, based on your opening post.
As I said, I haven't experienced it myself. However, if it truly slows the runner down, then yeah, I'm definitely against it.
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@hikes83_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
@lazy_toast_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
I don’t have the answer but how many qualified MLB players had zero errors the past few years? The games outcomes are RNG based so errors should be as well because EVERYONE throws them. So a guy who can time the accuracy meter perfect every time is unrealistic
Well on those extremely tough plays, the green zone becomes extremely narrow so it does become harder to hit. But routine plays should be routine, hence the large green area
Oh I hear ya but Cody Bellinger has something to say
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Just got done playing a game (that I won) but here's a few things I noticed.
I score 4 runs in the top of the 1st inning. Knowing this game and it's bullsh!t, I expect him to have a big inning. I was right. Grounder hit, grounder hit, double in the center/left gap, grounder hit...and now it's 3-4. The game essentially scripts his comeback. Didn't matter how well I pitched or fielded (oh...had 2 errors that inning as well) SDS was not going to let the 1st end without giving him every opportunity to tie or take the lead. Also, he was a bit of a bunt/steal wh o re...and a new fun thing is KNOWING they're stealing, and having a great jump to throw the ball and the catcher either A) drops the ball like he's my grandmother with arthritis or B) Doesn't throw it all because I guess I input the command too early.
Next two innings no more runs are scored BUT they did tease giving Aldoberto Mondesi a game tying home run on a low and very inside slider (agains a lefty which he is worse against) Ultimately, I beat out the game scripting and my opponent but holy smokes...this game is trending in all the wrong directions.
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My favorite thing is when the runner goes from 1st to third and just keeps on going to get tagged out at home. Or my personal favorite a good swing with center PCI is a can of corn. Next inning he hits a no doubter he’s very early and the ball is a full centimeter above his PCI placement. Don’t get me wrong I love the game. But some of these things shouldn’t be issues
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@squid_adams_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
The game should be played the same way by everyone. If tapping circle is an option for throwing to first, the results should not be randomly generated. I can understand it happening to a common fielder, but outside of that it’s just stupid. Either make EVERYONE use button accuracy, pinpoint pitching, zone hitting etc or don’t, and stop programming random outcomes.
There shouldn't be the same outcome no matter which type of style you use, button accuracy is harder than tapping a button, you have to time it right and depending on the play your timing window shrinks or increases. That is like saying no matter where you put a PCI you should hit a home run. I'll say it again like the other dude did if you want a perfect throw every time then use button accuracy and make a perfect throw every time.
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This is the first year playing where I actually want to quit and never play again. Online play is atrocious and if you disagree you’re delusional. I have never played a show game where I was absolutely this bad at hitting, but then again I have never faced as many pitchers with Outlier fastballs and sinkers. It’s clear SDS knows this is the meta and week after week just [censored] in our face with more outlier sinker pitchers. I just wish I could get all the money back that I spent in this game because I would gladly never play it again if it didn’t feel like a chore keeping up to get my money’s worth.
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Quant testing doesn't seem to be their forte... Their approach to game play updates is equivalent to the the "pull and pray" contraception method.
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Little update. In a event game right now, where I gave up a 3-0 lead...due in large part to my center fielder freezing and allowing more runners to score! I wonder what else I'll encounter
Edit: I LOST!!! Had the win yanked right from under me. Good stuff, good stuff.
Also, forgot some of the other ways SDS broke their game.
-Oh great, a double! Wait a minute, he's running home! WTF, no!!! Annnnnnnd he's out.....
-Runner on second, ground ball to the 3rd baseman or shortstop, runner on second over-dramatically belly flops back on the base...meanwhile I'm instructing him to run to third. My opponent throws it to first, and guess what!? The runner from second is now listening to the command 5 seconds after the fact and is running to third at the worst possible time for the easy out!And can the people defending this game just stop messing with us and come clean as SDS employees? Or at the very least paid "influencers" hyping up a currently terrible game.
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@arvcpa_psn said in SDS Messed Around and Broke Their Game:
@squid_adams_psn said in SDS F***ed Around and Broke Their Game:
Everyone here seems to get it except @Hikes83. If I want to see random outcomes, I’ll play GM/Coach mode.
I think what @Hikes83_PSN is saying is that if you use "button accuracy", by default you won't have a wide throw... so long as you're "accurate". If you just use buttons, yes, your fielders will make an occasional error.
I switched to Button Accuracy this year, and when I make an error, it's 100% on me.
Do you mean when you make a throwing error its on you. Cuz I have lots of errors with 90+ fielders on routine groundballs that are not on me. I have also seen my opponents ole routine groundballs and lose games. I thought they fixed the issue with errors with 90+ fielders last year on routine balls but I guess they come out during events?
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@hikes83_psn said in SDS Messed Around and Broke Their Game:
Only thing I’ll address is the wide throws. That’s on you for not using button accuracy
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@glltchmaglc_psn said in SDS Messed Around and Broke Their Game:
@hikes83_psn said in SDS Messed Around and Broke Their Game:
Only thing I’ll address is the wide throws. That’s on you for not using button accuracy
Never mind I got things backwards
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@squid_adams_psn said in SDS Messed Around and Broke Their Game:
Little update. In a event game right now, where I gave up a 3-0 lead...due in large part to my center fielder freezing and allowing more runners to score! I wonder what else I'll encounter
Edit: I LOST!!! Had the win yanked right from under me. Good stuff, good stuff.
Also, forgot some of the other ways SDS broke their game.
-Oh great, a double! Wait a minute, he's running home! WTF, no!!! Annnnnnnd he's out.....
-Runner on second, ground ball to the 3rd baseman or shortstop, runner on second over-dramatically belly flops back on the base...meanwhile I'm instructing him to run to third. My opponent throws it to first, and guess what!? The runner from second is now listening to the command 5 seconds after the fact and is running to third at the worst possible time for the easy out!And can the people defending this game just stop messing with us and come clean as SDS employees? Or at the very least paid "influencers" hyping up a currently terrible game.
I’m not gonna take things that far but I had to laugh at some of the play by play comments you made
Yes all that [censored] has happened to me. This weekend! I will throw one more in there. Ball hits 3rd base and shoots straight up in the air. Like 30 plus foot. You get out all out of wack on which way to go and basically the input of the player your controlling is well just froze or something. Meanwhile almost everyone has scored or at least almost by the time you L2 to another player if it even lets you. Yeah this happened twice in 2 days. I’m on the PS5 not sure if it’s something screwy on that. But I shouldn’t lose control of my players. -
"I’m on the PS5 not sure if it’s something screwy on that. But I shouldn’t lose control of my players." It does not matter what console you are playing on, YOU do not have control of your players or the outcomes of any sequence. It doesn't take a scientist to understand this game created by SDS, the AI controls the game and every single outcome play by play. All we are doing is smashing buttons thinking we are responsible for outcomes of plays. We are not the CPU's artificial intelligence is! There are often visual and audible hints as to what is going to happen next, watch & listen for them. As Versus 2 said in several of his Madden videos the game has a precise script it is following and we are allowed good poor and even terrible outcomes to every sequential play. That is in fact what MLB has become. Tell me it is normal that my hitter's bat becomes a wet pool noodle on certain pitches at certain times regardless my timing or contact info. The countless double plays, the dying quails into the outfield, the ball reaching the warning track (Vaskershon says with empathis ) then drops straight down into a fielder's glove, the ground rule doubles (a fault for years in The Show) the I didn't check swing BS as the AI halts my swing mid swing! All this and so much more added here in this post about hitting since the updates ........ gents, this game is scripted, it is not predicated on "stick skills' or baseball knowledge or personal prowess at playing the game, it is all predicated on what the CPU determines will happen play to play. You have as much chance of determining the outcome of any given swing as you do getting a Diamond player in a pack. SDS determines BOTH. For all those moaning about how their hitting skills are lacking this year compared to last renditions (you know when the game was fun) it is NOT you. It is the changes SDS made to the game this year and mostly affecting things now, the update to cull positive outcomes on contact swings. Admit it, they ruined the fun of the game by over adjusting this feature. The AI is using sticky substances on pitching to fail your hitting with spin ratio hahahahahaha Seriously, the game sucks now compared to release day because the fun is removed from it. Scripted, CPU controlled and AI cheats are at the center of the problem. "Yet ANOTHER perfect double play ground ball hit to the shortstop, to second for one onto 1st for the ten thousandth DP you have hit into" LOL Worse yet, it was the 700th perfect/perfect swing!!!!
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@bozzman0109_psn said in SDS Messed Around and Broke Their Game:
Do you mean when you make a throwing error its on you. Cuz I have lots of errors with 90+ fielders on routine groundballs that are not on me. I have also seen my opponents ole routine groundballs and lose games. I thought they fixed the issue with errors with 90+ fielders last year on routine balls but I guess they come out during events?
In my personal experience, yes, that's what I'm seeing. Both on-line and off. If I hit the green zone, it's always accurate. When I miss, the throw goes wide.
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I play offline and I've said it before, but this game cheats you into double plays no matter the situation. 99.9% of the time. No matter where my PCI is, the end result is a grounder right at someone. Or the ball suddenly warps after I swing and it's suddenly at the bottom of my PCI.
I had one yesterday where I hit the ball with Trea Turner and chopped it slowly to third, the CPU with silver fielding and bad arm strength and accuracy charges, threw Jackie out a second and Trea was doubled up. There are way too many other examples to write here.
I literally never lose a game playing offline but it's still so infuriating to the point of wanting to just stop playing this stupid game. I shouldn't ground into 3 DP's during a conquest game.
I was a 700 rated player last year that stopped online this year, so I really don't think it's just because I suck or something. This game just feels off this year.
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@imbeater_psn said in SDS Messed Around and Broke Their Game:
This is the first year playing where I actually want to quit and never play again. Online play is atrocious and if you disagree you’re delusional. I have never played a show game where I was absolutely this bad at hitting, but then again I have never faced as many pitchers with Outlier fastballs and sinkers. It’s clear SDS knows this is the meta and week after week just [censored] in our face with more outlier sinker pitchers. I just wish I could get all the money back that I spent in this game because I would gladly never play it again if it didn’t feel like a chore keeping up to get my money’s worth.
Online play is bad mainly due to server/connection issues. Dedicated servers and ping indicators at the pitching and lineup screen would drastically improve the online experience. With SDS moving to Xbox and gaining more money, there should be no reason we don't have these things. They would probably make more money in the long run.
Regarding stealing, if you are winning or you are seeing warped pitches or other signs of a bad connection game you will get thrown out the majority of the time. Your player (like mine most times) won't steal until the pitcher almost releases the ball. Love 90+ base stealers getting horrible jumps.
