Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room
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@the_dragon1912 said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
So has Jose Ramirez, so that isn't much of an argument for Jeter
not making an argument just stating.
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I'm sure Prime and Sig Jeter would have good defensive attributes despite what the metrics say. Offensively I'd expect a faster Robin Yount with more power. He would be a juiced version of himself just like many other Legend cards in this game. FWIW he led the team in WAR during the 96-00 years when they won 4 World Series.
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@chickun_legs_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
I'm sure Prime and Sig Jeter would have good defensive attributes despite what the metrics say. Offensively I'd expect a faster Robin Yount with more power. He would be a juiced version of himself just like many other Legend cards in this game. FWIW he led the team in WAR during the 96-00 years when they won 4 World Series.
Faster maybe sure. But there is no reason to believe Jeter would have more power than Yount. Only 9 more career HR's for Jeter while Yount has more doubles, triples, a higher slugging%, and ISO. Jeter had 300 more AB
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@the_dragon1912 said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@chickun_legs_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
I'm sure Prime and Sig Jeter would have good defensive attributes despite what the metrics say. Offensively I'd expect a faster Robin Yount with more power. He would be a juiced version of himself just like many other Legend cards in this game. FWIW he led the team in WAR during the 96-00 years when they won 4 World Series.
Faster maybe sure. But there is no reason to believe Jeter would have more power than Yount. Only 9 more career HR's for Jeter while Yount has more doubles, triples, a higher slugging%, and ISO. Jeter had 300 more AB
Edit: Jeter had 10 points higher slugging. Either way I would believe them to be similar in power
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@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Jeter never won mvp
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
2006 he Differently was good enough to win the MVP, so was Oritz, and Santana. Justin Morneau should not have won that MVP. There are other years where someone else was good enough to win but didn't.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
I am not talking about that stupid card that is not what this is about. It is about facts, that fact is he is a HOF player, you can not deny what he did in the post season and what he did over his career, You sound like a jealous fan who hates on a team that does what it needs to do to win, Sports is about winning championship and getting the best players to do that. the Yankees did not win anything from 79 to 95. It is his fault that he played for a Owner who wanted to win? I wonder why the media loved him and hated Bonds. He did put together a year that was good enough. He just did not win. He had over 200 hits and batting 343, he scored 118 times, who plays hard every day, stays healthly, and does not get into trouble. Comes up clutch in the playoffs. Then the 240 hitter with 35 HR and k's over 200 times. Have a guy like Bonds and Arod two of the best hitters in the game choke in the playoffs.
I do think Jeter is an overrated defensive shortstop. I am not a yankee fan. or a Jeter fan.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
2006 finished 2nd MVP Votting with an avg of 343, 214 hits, 118 runs scored, 97 RBIs and 34 stolen bases.Won a gold glove that year as well. Only K 104 times in 623 at bats.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
You should research before you open your mouth. Biggio is nowhere close to the hitter that Jeter was, Jeter has 3,400 plus hits. Had over 200 8 times to Biggio 1 and Biggio had 3,060 hits both played 20 years. Jeter career BA 310 Biggio was 282. Try again.
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@asocial_grace said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
Jeter was a great hitter, but for the entirety of his career, by every advanced fielding metric, he was a below average fielder. Not even average — he was actually a liability with his glove. Garciaparra was better. J.J. Hardy was much better. Jeter hit his way to the Hall Of Fame, but it had zero to do with his defense.
But jump throws look cool!
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@asocial_grace said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
Jeter was a great hitter, but for the entirety of his career, by every advanced fielding metric, he was a below average fielder. Not even average — he was actually a liability with his glove. Garciaparra was better. J.J. Hardy was much better. Jeter hit his way to the Hall Of Fame, but it had zero to do with his defense.
This!
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@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
How about a Mariners Milestone 30/30 club Alex Rodriguez card then?
I think the 'roids disqualifies him from ever getting a card for any team ever, which is kind of messed up since it's not like the guys who got caught were the only ones doing it. How about an all steroid team or all cheaters team? Sosa, canseco?
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@schack-nizzle_xbl said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
How about a Mariners Milestone 30/30 club Alex Rodriguez card then?
I think the 'roids disqualifies him from ever getting a card for any team ever, which is kind of messed up since it's not like the guys who got caught were the only ones doing it. How about an all steroid team or all cheaters team? Sosa, canseco?
Arod is the Only big name that got caught after they started enforcing the suspension and bans for 3 offense.
I do not have an issue with the players on Roids late 80's and 90's cause baseball turned a blind eye to it. Never enforced it because it was good for baseball and put Fans in the seat with all the HR and excitement.
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I think the "over"simulation of a lot of the animations are the real elephant in the room. Double play on every single ground ball opportunity? Balls in the dirt to the first basemen are basically 100% of the time fielded perfectly... List goes on.
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@DarthVaderLight3_PSN
Yeah you’re right about that. I remember last year the outfielders seemed to track everything down and EVERYBODY hating that. I thought they would fix that, which they tried with the whole “first step” in the right or wrong direction but it doesn’t happen enough to make a difference. I’ve never seen real MLB outfielders take a direct line to a 100MPH rocket to the right center gap. I’ve always seen them run to the fence but whatever I guess.Now it seems they’re doing the same with the infielders. They track nearly everything down unless it’s perfectly hit in the 5-6, 4-6, or 3-4 holes. And when they do get balls going away from first, their arms are fully capable of throwing the runner out regardless of their arm rating.
Even little bloopers don’t make it out to the outfield because CPU’s turn around and run perfect routes behind the infield before the ball hits the ground.
I know I know, seems like a lot to complain about but it just feels like MLB 18 or 19 had it right
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@raesone_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
Derek Jeter was good but kind of overrated
no kind of about it
