Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2
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@untchable704_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
It really does seem the worst the player the more they defend stopping quick pitching. Trust me if they made people hold the ball for 30 seconds in between pitches it ain’t making you better.
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It’s a lot easier to hit when a guy is pitching extremely quick. Easy to get in rhythm and get the timing down as opposed to a pitcher who takes his time.
Guys holding R2 do nothing but hurt themselves and it’s kinda hilarious. Not a coincidence it’s guys batting .190 that hold R2 all game. I literally have never seen a good hitter hold R2 (unless they’re being D-Bags and spamming R2 to try to mess with pitch timing)
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@untchable704_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
It really does seem the worst the player the more they defend stopping quick pitching. Trust me if they made people hold the ball for 30 seconds in between pitches it ain’t making you better.
And here's the daily 'judging people's skills' post.
Just because someone defends something doesn't mean they're bad at the game. It just means that they want a fair and enjoyable experience.
As I stated before, the ONLY way to make both the hitter and pitcher happy is for SDS to implement some kind of coding that restricts the pitcher from starting their pitch sequence for a few secs.
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@joey_coyle_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@poksey_mlbts said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
You are missing the point. Even with balks on, some players would still use R2 to influence bad timing from pitchers.
I'm pitching and come set. Then before/as I begin to move my stick to start the delivery, the opponent presses R2. This means that as i move my stick to get back to central, the opponent releases and the CPU sees the movement toward central as the beginning of the delivery. The result is either a wild pitch or a meatball of a pitch. This is exactly what happens already, without balks on, but turning them on still wouldnt prevent those who abuse R2.
On my platform, that is not my experience. You can only hold r2 for so long. Again, try turning on balks to see how you perform. I understand that there many frustrations playing this game. If you're getting R2d, chances are, you are quick pitching/balking. It's tiresome keeping guys in check and detracts from my enjoyment of the game.
Happy Fathers Day.
It's not about holding it, its about timing it to influence pitching timing. If I start delivery right after coming set, they can time it easy enough. If I routinely start delivery 1 second after coming set, they can easily time R2 again. A player has to vary their time after coming set to begin delivery to decrease the opportunity of those who abuse R2. Again, turning on balks doesnt effect those who time the use of R2 if the pitcher routinely starts his delivery after a set amount of time.
As described in an earlier post, there are some that dont use it until a meaningful situation arises. In that case, it comes as a total surprise, and completely affects the accuracy of the pitcher.
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@x814xmafia_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@poksey_mlbts said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
You are missing the point. Even with balks on, some players would still use R2 to influence bad timing from pitchers.
I'm pitching and come set. Then before/as I begin to move my stick to start the delivery, the opponent presses R2. This means that as i move my stick to get back to central, the opponent releases and the CPU sees the movement toward central as the beginning of the delivery. The result is either a wild pitch or a meatball of a pitch. This is exactly what happens already, without balks on, but turning them on still wouldnt prevent those who abuse R2.
If it messes with the timing of PPP, just wait a few seconds linger to start your windup.
Just piping in to remind everyone who posts this comment or one similar that you can indeed wait for the gentleperson to stop spamming on the R2 switch, and then wait a few seconds more while it's fully stopped, and then start the PPP windup, and they can press it again. Sorry to those who believe it's not possible, but I've seen it in-game myself. And, just to put an exclam on my post, I was not quick pitching at all. I know I can't prove this, except to say that the opponent was pressing R2 from the get-go, and I was determined not to let this R2 pressing mess with my windup. So, I was waiting from the very first pitch of the game. So, not quick pitching. R2 was being flicked like a tiddlywink judging how the warning symbol was flashing at the top of the screen. And yeah, I waited for it to stop, waited several seconds more to make sure it was stopped, and then started the PPP windup only to have the R2 warning symbol start flashing again. When you're drawing the PPP shape, it completely messes this up.
So any advice to wait and let the R2 presser press themselves out might sometimes work, but sometimes it doesn't. For sure the person I was playing was able to press it several times per at-bat, for several seconds, and then stop and do it again later in the same pitch.
I'm not discounting the idea that R2 is useful against quick pitching (it obviously would be) but there are other scenarios out there some of us have been dealing with that don't fit this particular idea of R2 and quick-pitching being the main narrative.
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@cbpm72_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@x814xmafia_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@poksey_mlbts said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
You are missing the point. Even with balks on, some players would still use R2 to influence bad timing from pitchers.
I'm pitching and come set. Then before/as I begin to move my stick to start the delivery, the opponent presses R2. This means that as i move my stick to get back to central, the opponent releases and the CPU sees the movement toward central as the beginning of the delivery. The result is either a wild pitch or a meatball of a pitch. This is exactly what happens already, without balks on, but turning them on still wouldnt prevent those who abuse R2.
If it messes with the timing of PPP, just wait a few seconds linger to start your windup.
Just piping in to remind everyone who posts this comment or one similar that you can indeed wait for the gentleperson to stop spamming on the R2 switch, and then wait a few seconds more while it's fully stopped, and then start the PPP windup, and they can press it again. Sorry to those who believe it's not possible, but I've seen it in-game myself. And, just to put an exclam on my post, I was not quick pitching at all. I know I can't prove this, except to say that the opponent was pressing R2 from the get-go, and I was determined not to let this R2 pressing mess with my windup. So, I was waiting from the very first pitch of the game. So, not quick pitching. R2 was being flicked like a tiddlywink judging how the warning symbol was flashing at the top of the screen. And yeah, I waited for it to stop, waited several seconds more to make sure it was stopped, and then started the PPP windup only to have the R2 warning symbol start flashing again. When you're drawing the PPP shape, it completely messes this up.
So any advice to wait and let the R2 presser press themselves out might sometimes work, but sometimes it doesn't. For sure the person I was playing was able to press it several times per at-bat, for several seconds, and then stop and do it again later in the same pitch.
I'm not discounting the idea that R2 is useful against quick pitching (it obviously would be) but there are other scenarios out there some of us have been dealing with that don't fit this particular idea of R2 and quick-pitching being the main narrative.
Exactly this. It's all down to how they time using it.
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@cbpm72_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@x814xmafia_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@poksey_mlbts said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
You are missing the point. Even with balks on, some players would still use R2 to influence bad timing from pitchers.
I'm pitching and come set. Then before/as I begin to move my stick to start the delivery, the opponent presses R2. This means that as i move my stick to get back to central, the opponent releases and the CPU sees the movement toward central as the beginning of the delivery. The result is either a wild pitch or a meatball of a pitch. This is exactly what happens already, without balks on, but turning them on still wouldnt prevent those who abuse R2.
If it messes with the timing of PPP, just wait a few seconds linger to start your windup.
Just piping in to remind everyone who posts this comment or one similar that you can indeed wait for the gentleperson to stop spamming on the R2 switch, and then wait a few seconds more while it's fully stopped, and then start the PPP windup, and they can press it again. Sorry to those who believe it's not possible, but I've seen it in-game myself. And, just to put an exclam on my post, I was not quick pitching at all. I know I can't prove this, except to say that the opponent was pressing R2 from the get-go, and I was determined not to let this R2 pressing mess with my windup. So, I was waiting from the very first pitch of the game. So, not quick pitching. R2 was being flicked like a tiddlywink judging how the warning symbol was flashing at the top of the screen. And yeah, I waited for it to stop, waited several seconds more to make sure it was stopped, and then started the PPP windup only to have the R2 warning symbol start flashing again. When you're drawing the PPP shape, it completely messes this up.
So any advice to wait and let the R2 presser press themselves out might sometimes work, but sometimes it doesn't. For sure the person I was playing was able to press it several times per at-bat, for several seconds, and then stop and do it again later in the same pitch.
I'm not discounting the idea that R2 is useful against quick pitching (it obviously would be) but there are other scenarios out there some of us have been dealing with that don't fit this particular idea of R2 and quick-pitching being the main narrative.
I forgot about being able to do it multiple times an AB. My bad. In that case, it shouldn't be allowed more than once per pitch.
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@x814xmafia_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@untchable704_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
It really does seem the worst the player the more they defend stopping quick pitching. Trust me if they made people hold the ball for 30 seconds in between pitches it ain’t making you better.
And here's the daily 'judging people's skills' post.
Just because someone defends something doesn't mean they're bad at the game. It just means that they want a fair and enjoyable experience.
As I stated before, the ONLY way to make both the hitter and pitcher happy is for SDS to implement some kind of coding that restricts the pitcher from starting their pitch sequence for a few secs.
Sorry if pointing out the obvious bothers you. I’m slightly above average player and I’ve play like 140 legit games and I’ve never thought man this guy is quick pitching me. Tbh I don’t even know what it is. The faster you throw the ball the faster we can get through this 9. Fire away.
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@untchable704_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@x814xmafia_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@untchable704_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
It really does seem the worst the player the more they defend stopping quick pitching. Trust me if they made people hold the ball for 30 seconds in between pitches it ain’t making you better.
And here's the daily 'judging people's skills' post.
Just because someone defends something doesn't mean they're bad at the game. It just means that they want a fair and enjoyable experience.
As I stated before, the ONLY way to make both the hitter and pitcher happy is for SDS to implement some kind of coding that restricts the pitcher from starting their pitch sequence for a few secs.
Sorry if pointing out the obvious bothers you. I’m slightly above average player and I’ve play like 140 legit games and I’ve never thought man this guy is quick pitching me. Tbh I don’t even know what it is. The faster you throw the ball the faster we can get through this 9. Fire away.
Pointing out the obvious? Again, how can you judge a person by how they fair at the game? Some people okay for fun. I'm one of them. I could care less about a W/L record in a video game. I'm content with my life and well being. I don't need to validate it with something that doesn't matter in the real world.
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@x814xmafia_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@untchable704_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@x814xmafia_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@untchable704_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
It really does seem the worst the player the more they defend stopping quick pitching. Trust me if they made people hold the ball for 30 seconds in between pitches it ain’t making you better.
And here's the daily 'judging people's skills' post.
Just because someone defends something doesn't mean they're bad at the game. It just means that they want a fair and enjoyable experience.
As I stated before, the ONLY way to make both the hitter and pitcher happy is for SDS to implement some kind of coding that restricts the pitcher from starting their pitch sequence for a few secs.
Sorry if pointing out the obvious bothers you. I’m slightly above average player and I’ve play like 140 legit games and I’ve never thought man this guy is quick pitching me. Tbh I don’t even know what it is. The faster you throw the ball the faster we can get through this 9. Fire away.
Pointing out the obvious? Again, how can you judge a person by how they fair at the game? Some people okay for fun. I'm one of them. I could care less about a W/L record in a video game. I'm content with my life and well being. I don't need to validate it with something that doesn't matter in the real world.
I literally go back down over and over. I certainly don’t care about my W/L record lol. I couldn’t even tell you what my real record is.
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@joey_coyle_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
hey all. don't usually wade into these waters but feel compelled based on current game play experience and some of the discussions here. certainly not delusional this will change RS play. keep in mind my experience is on a ps5, not sure if play is same on all platforms.
what is commonly referred to on the forum as speed pitching is actually a quick pitch. if you have a pitcher on the mound pitching from the stretch (few starters until runners on base, mostly relievers) and you do not come to a set, it is a quick pitch. it is illegal irl MLB rules. look it up. if no runners on base, it's a ball. runners on base? yeah, that's a balk.
any doubts? play a friend. turn on balks.
r2 allows a player to force a set. the way it is currently working on this platform seems fine to me. you cannot hold it any longer than the pitcher sets.
moral of this story: take your time. allow your pitcher to set.
most of the folks doing this have very late release times. practice pitching and you will not have to cheat to do well.
and yeah. this author sucks. can somewhat pitch. cannot hit to save my life. just love this game. looking for a better online experience.
R2 was added in mlb 15 bc the quick pitching was even worse as it would add really buggy deliveries as it chained together 3 animations---especially on tony watson and pat neshek who were abused to death
SDS solved this with balks being turned on which ppl cried about. The next solution was R2 and R2 itself has been nerfed over the years and is the shortest duration hold its ever been. This along with practice swings were the counter to the slidestep spam with no one on
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@joey_coyle_psn said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
@poksey_mlbts said in Thoughts from a somewhat longtime player on quick pitching and r2:
You are missing the point. Even with balks on, some players would still use R2 to influence bad timing from pitchers.
I'm pitching and come set. Then before/as I begin to move my stick to start the delivery, the opponent presses R2. This means that as i move my stick to get back to central, the opponent releases and the CPU sees the movement toward central as the beginning of the delivery. The result is either a wild pitch or a meatball of a pitch. This is exactly what happens already, without balks on, but turning them on still wouldnt prevent those who abuse R2.
On my platform, that is not my experience. You can only hold r2 for so long. Again, try turning on balks to see how you perform. I understand that there many frustrations playing this game. If you're getting R2d, chances are, you are quick pitching/balking. It's tiresome keeping guys in check and detracts from my enjoyment of the game.
Happy Fathers Day.
The ppl that complain about balks dont realize that you dont even have to come set for over 1 second with them on. In MLB 13-17 you didnt have to wait for kershaw to do his [censored] fiddling thing, just come paused for a full second and then you could deliver. It really isnt a big deal and would solve tons of issues to put it back on and take away R2
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Just bring back balks.
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