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The easiest fix is just Have R2 a one time use per pitch simple easy done
That doesn’t work because some idiots enjoy throwing over to first multiple times and by the time the pitch is thrown I don’t even remember which pitches most starters have let alone which ones they’ve been hot with.
By the time I remember all 4-5 pitches I’ve usually beat the pitcher up enough they’re bolded textchanging guys anyway. So r2 is mainly for information. But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.
Ahhh the truth comes out you said it but you did read per pitch right so it wouldn’t matter if he throws to 1st the pitcher still resets right? So it’s a non issue
From your last post...
(But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.)
I see where you are at
This dude is a complete idiot.
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what a bunch of losers who love that R2 - the pitcher dictates the speed of the game - think of Max Scherzer
this thread is littered with a whole bunch of video game nerds who have no clue how to play real baseball
for those who have logic and common sense in this thread - thank you
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@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
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@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
The easiest fix is just Have R2 a one time use per pitch simple easy done
That doesn’t work because some idiots enjoy throwing over to first multiple times and by the time the pitch is thrown I don’t even remember which pitches most starters have let alone which ones they’ve been hot with.
By the time I remember all 4-5 pitches I’ve usually beat the pitcher up enough they’re bolded textchanging guys anyway. So r2 is mainly for information. But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.
Ahhh the truth comes out you said it but you did read per pitch right so it wouldn’t matter if he throws to 1st the pitcher still resets right? So it’s a non issue
From your last post...
(But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.)
I see where you are at
This dude is a complete idiot.
How so? You said spam you can simply hold R2 to slow them down
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But I am not going to get into a 7th grade argument like most... Still believe One Use of R2 pitch is the best solution
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@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
The easiest fix is just Have R2 a one time use per pitch simple easy done
That doesn’t work because some idiots enjoy throwing over to first multiple times and by the time the pitch is thrown I don’t even remember which pitches most starters have let alone which ones they’ve been hot with.
By the time I remember all 4-5 pitches I’ve usually beat the pitcher up enough they’re bolded textchanging guys anyway. So r2 is mainly for information. But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.
Ahhh the truth comes out you said it but you did read per pitch right so it wouldn’t matter if he throws to 1st the pitcher still resets right? So it’s a non issue
From your last post...
(But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.)
I see where you are at
This dude is a complete idiot.
How so? You said spam you can simply hold R2 to slow them down
Never once did I say that.
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Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.
Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?
The batter may be able to call time once but he can step his foot outside the box at any time during the at bat before the pitcher becomes set, or before they start their wind up.
Just watch a little league game. The kids step out every pitch and look over at the coach for a sign.
I’m talking about in the game, not real life.
The game is simulated based on the real life sport... the kids look over at the coach because the coach tells them what pitch to expect. People use r2 to give themselves time to think about what’s coming next. I use it and analyze the previous pitches and by the 4th or 5th pitch of an at bat I can usually smash a good good perfect perfect just by guessing which pitch your going to throw next let alone the location,
Anyone whining about r2 use is literally just upset they can’t quick pitch you and give you no time to catch on to what pitches you’re throwing most often and which locations you frequent with each pitch. Not just from at bat to at bat but literally within each at bat.
It’s part of real life baseball so it’s part of the game. If you don’t like it go play backyard baseball lol
What are you even talking about? There are plenty of people who just spam it to disrupt the pitcher. That has nothing to do with real baseball.
If I’m playing baseball and you’re fast pitching me I will step out of the box between every pitch and take some practice swings. Readjust my gloves and elbow guard etc. real baseball the batter can slow the pitcher down in many ways. He just can’t slow the game down to the point it’s boring as hell for the crowd and the game drags on 5 hours.
You realize a real baseball game takes an average of over 3 hours, and your bitching about having to play a game for 30-45 minutes because the other guy doesn’t want to be fast pitched all night. Get out of here and stop being a baby.
Dude, what are you talking about? You’re trying to argue with me and you don’t even seem to understand my stance.
I understand perfectly fine. You’re upset people prevent you from quick pitching and spam the r2 button at random [censored] times. But you don’t seem to understand it’s the exact equivalent of the batter stepping out of the box taking practice swings between every single pitch. These players are intentionally throwing off your rhythm to improve their own chances at winning the game and you’re upset over it but can’t understand how much of a baby it makes you. You’re literally just upset you can’t rush through the game and someone else is enjoying it how they want to play. Sad
Except I’ve been making the exact opposite argument. Idiot.
Then you’re arguing with yourself over nothing. You say I don’t understand so I explain the opposite side to my argument and then you say you’re arguing the exact opposite which would mean you’re arguing my side. So you don’t understand? Or I don’t understand? I’m starting to think you don’t.
If you’re not upset that people are slowing down your fast pitching or disrupting your rhythm with the r2 button then you have no reason to want the r2 mechanic gone. So no I don’t understand what exactly is your grievance here if you’re not upset by anything the r2 mechanic causes
️Jesus Christ, you’re stupid. You need to go back and read what I’ve actually said. You appear to be confounding what I’ve said with someone else.
Lol you’re talking about how it’s not real life it’s a game so the pitcher should be able to just blow pitches up there whenever he want.
You’re upset that when you start your pitch timer I can still press r2 and pause it.
But the reality is your pitcher is not in his wind up so it’s just like me calling time out between every pitch.
In real baseball 99% of the time the ump allows it so in game it is allowed. R2 is not the broken mechanic.The broken mechanic is the pitching meter. If I press r2 your whole pitch should reset. You guys are attacking the wrong mechanic because it’s one you don’t use or fully understand. But I’m the ignorant one. Go fogure
I never said that. Once again, go back and read what I’ve said.
Look at the end of the day r2 isn’t broken. Pitching is. If you disagree it’s because you’re quick pitching and don’t like that people can slow your game down. Plain and simple. Whether you agree or disagree I don’t care. But if you think r2 is the broken mechanic youre not understanding it’s purpose in the game is to allow the batter to stop and think between pitches like in a real game. This is a baseball simulation. They did their best to allow the batter his time without having all these crazy mechanics like calling time or stepping one foot out or this or that. Your batter stays in the box the whole at bat unless you get lucky and can even call time. R2 is my practice swing between at bats. In 99.99999 of scenarios there batter is given that time. And when he’s not he can step back in and take a crazy cut if he chooses but in game I cannot do that. It’s a video game not everything can be exactly the way real life is. So if me pressing r2 disrupts your pitching then that means the pitching mechanic is broken. Not r2. Quit blaming a mechanic that works the way intended, all because it exploits a broken mechanic in the pitching and start asking sds why they haven’t fixed the broken pitching mechanic caused by r2 instead.
If I press r2 your pitcher should reset from the start of the pitch plain and simple. Eventually r2 pressers will get tired of it and quick pitchers will stop trying to pitch so fast. Or we can mess with the r2 mechanic and just make every game a 12 second 9 pitch inning because I can’t even take a breath between each pitch.
You’re still ignoring the fact that I was arguing against quick pitching. [censored] you, dude. Your bad faith argument based on nothing I’ve actually said is ridiculous.
You’re arguing against quick pitching but somehow are giving every single reason for why it should be allowed while advocating that the batter in real life has absolutely no way whatsoever to prevent or slow it down, and even stated that since it’s a video game we shouldn’t look to real life baseball for answers. So if quick pitching is not cool r2 should make sense to you but your continuously making 1 off comparisons like they’re the norm in baseball. The reality is I as a batter given the opportunity by the umpire can dictate the pace of the game and your pitching. So sds with that knowledge put a mechanic in the game that is the in game equivalent of me stepping out of the box or calling time between each pitch without actually having to pause the game every single pitch....
You say disrupting the pitcher has nothing to do with real baseball, but what is calling time between pitches or stepping out of the box? R2 only disrupts a pitcher who’s spamming his own broken mechanic. No one throws a pitch every two seconds.
So enlighten me oh mighty enlightener since you’re so smart, what’s your fix to the game if quick pitching is the problem and r2 isn’t a broken mechanic. Because you’re making absolutely no sense just seem to be arguing both sides and don’t even realize it.
I cannot say this any more clearly: YOU ARE NOT USING MY ARGUMENT TO ARGUE AGAINST ME. YOU HAVE CLEARLY CONFLATED SOMEONE ELSE’S WORDS. I HAVE NOT CONDONED QUICK PITCHING. I HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF HAVING SAID. YOU ARE A COMPLETE AND UTRER MORON.
When you say things that imply I shouldn’t be able to take my time between pitches as a batter before the pitcher starts his windup, whether in real life or a video game, which you’ve done on multiple instances, you’re honestly advocating for quick pitching being not only okay but the norm.
But hey I’m still waiting to hear what your fix is to what you actually thinks wrong with the game so go ahead and enlighten me, or keep calling me a moron because I’m using your own ridiculous argument against you and you’re seeing just how little sense it makes.
I never said that you shouldn't be able to take time between pitches. Not one time. You keep saying I continuously make that argument. You can't point to one instance of me having said it because YOU ARE WRONG. It's ok. Take the L. You are not using my argument against me. You are obviously using someone else's and pretending I said it. This is ridiculous and you're being a petulant child.
I think quick pitching sucks. I don't quick pitch. I think the players that use R2 to look at information are fine. The ones that push it intermittently trying to disrupt timing are pathetic (sorta like you). My preference would be to put balks back in the game. It forces a player to come set.
However, once again, you are quite obviously not looking at anything that I have actually said. Your argument lies elsewhere. I'm done talking to you since you obviously lack any sort of reading comprehension skills and are only going to repeatedly accuse me of saying stuff I didn't say. Adios, child.
Balks is fine but only works with runners on base. I would rather not have balks but just allow me to step off the mound as much as I like if user can continue to press R2.
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@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
The easiest fix is just Have R2 a one time use per pitch simple easy done
That doesn’t work because some idiots enjoy throwing over to first multiple times and by the time the pitch is thrown I don’t even remember which pitches most starters have let alone which ones they’ve been hot with.
By the time I remember all 4-5 pitches I’ve usually beat the pitcher up enough they’re bolded textchanging guys anyway. So r2 is mainly for information. But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.
Ahhh the truth comes out you said it but you did read per pitch right so it wouldn’t matter if he throws to 1st the pitcher still resets right? So it’s a non issue
From your last post...
(But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.)
I see where you are at
This dude is a complete idiot.
How so? You said spam you can simply hold R2 to slow them down
Never once did I say that.
Not you the other guy I quoted but did you call me an idiot? Lol I dunno why or you talking about the other dude
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Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.
Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?
The batter may be able to call time once but he can step his foot outside the box at any time during the at bat before the pitcher becomes set, or before they start their wind up.
Just watch a little league game. The kids step out every pitch and look over at the coach for a sign.
I’m talking about in the game, not real life.
The game is simulated based on the real life sport... the kids look over at the coach because the coach tells them what pitch to expect. People use r2 to give themselves time to think about what’s coming next. I use it and analyze the previous pitches and by the 4th or 5th pitch of an at bat I can usually smash a good good perfect perfect just by guessing which pitch your going to throw next let alone the location,
Anyone whining about r2 use is literally just upset they can’t quick pitch you and give you no time to catch on to what pitches you’re throwing most often and which locations you frequent with each pitch. Not just from at bat to at bat but literally within each at bat.
It’s part of real life baseball so it’s part of the game. If you don’t like it go play backyard baseball lol
What are you even talking about? There are plenty of people who just spam it to disrupt the pitcher. That has nothing to do with real baseball.
If I’m playing baseball and you’re fast pitching me I will step out of the box between every pitch and take some practice swings. Readjust my gloves and elbow guard etc. real baseball the batter can slow the pitcher down in many ways. He just can’t slow the game down to the point it’s boring as hell for the crowd and the game drags on 5 hours.
You realize a real baseball game takes an average of over 3 hours, and your bitching about having to play a game for 30-45 minutes because the other guy doesn’t want to be fast pitched all night. Get out of here and stop being a baby.
Dude, what are you talking about? You’re trying to argue with me and you don’t even seem to understand my stance.
I understand perfectly fine. You’re upset people prevent you from quick pitching and spam the r2 button at random [censored] times. But you don’t seem to understand it’s the exact equivalent of the batter stepping out of the box taking practice swings between every single pitch. These players are intentionally throwing off your rhythm to improve their own chances at winning the game and you’re upset over it but can’t understand how much of a baby it makes you. You’re literally just upset you can’t rush through the game and someone else is enjoying it how they want to play. Sad
Except I’ve been making the exact opposite argument. Idiot.
Then you’re arguing with yourself over nothing. You say I don’t understand so I explain the opposite side to my argument and then you say you’re arguing the exact opposite which would mean you’re arguing my side. So you don’t understand? Or I don’t understand? I’m starting to think you don’t.
If you’re not upset that people are slowing down your fast pitching or disrupting your rhythm with the r2 button then you have no reason to want the r2 mechanic gone. So no I don’t understand what exactly is your grievance here if you’re not upset by anything the r2 mechanic causes
️Jesus Christ, you’re stupid. You need to go back and read what I’ve actually said. You appear to be confounding what I’ve said with someone else.
Lol you’re talking about how it’s not real life it’s a game so the pitcher should be able to just blow pitches up there whenever he want.
You’re upset that when you start your pitch timer I can still press r2 and pause it.
But the reality is your pitcher is not in his wind up so it’s just like me calling time out between every pitch.
In real baseball 99% of the time the ump allows it so in game it is allowed. R2 is not the broken mechanic.The broken mechanic is the pitching meter. If I press r2 your whole pitch should reset. You guys are attacking the wrong mechanic because it’s one you don’t use or fully understand. But I’m the ignorant one. Go fogure
I never said that. Once again, go back and read what I’ve said.
Look at the end of the day r2 isn’t broken. Pitching is. If you disagree it’s because you’re quick pitching and don’t like that people can slow your game down. Plain and simple. Whether you agree or disagree I don’t care. But if you think r2 is the broken mechanic youre not understanding it’s purpose in the game is to allow the batter to stop and think between pitches like in a real game. This is a baseball simulation. They did their best to allow the batter his time without having all these crazy mechanics like calling time or stepping one foot out or this or that. Your batter stays in the box the whole at bat unless you get lucky and can even call time. R2 is my practice swing between at bats. In 99.99999 of scenarios there batter is given that time. And when he’s not he can step back in and take a crazy cut if he chooses but in game I cannot do that. It’s a video game not everything can be exactly the way real life is. So if me pressing r2 disrupts your pitching then that means the pitching mechanic is broken. Not r2. Quit blaming a mechanic that works the way intended, all because it exploits a broken mechanic in the pitching and start asking sds why they haven’t fixed the broken pitching mechanic caused by r2 instead.
If I press r2 your pitcher should reset from the start of the pitch plain and simple. Eventually r2 pressers will get tired of it and quick pitchers will stop trying to pitch so fast. Or we can mess with the r2 mechanic and just make every game a 12 second 9 pitch inning because I can’t even take a breath between each pitch.
You’re still ignoring the fact that I was arguing against quick pitching. [censored] you, dude. Your bad faith argument based on nothing I’ve actually said is ridiculous.
You’re arguing against quick pitching but somehow are giving every single reason for why it should be allowed while advocating that the batter in real life has absolutely no way whatsoever to prevent or slow it down, and even stated that since it’s a video game we shouldn’t look to real life baseball for answers. So if quick pitching is not cool r2 should make sense to you but your continuously making 1 off comparisons like they’re the norm in baseball. The reality is I as a batter given the opportunity by the umpire can dictate the pace of the game and your pitching. So sds with that knowledge put a mechanic in the game that is the in game equivalent of me stepping out of the box or calling time between each pitch without actually having to pause the game every single pitch....
You say disrupting the pitcher has nothing to do with real baseball, but what is calling time between pitches or stepping out of the box? R2 only disrupts a pitcher who’s spamming his own broken mechanic. No one throws a pitch every two seconds.
So enlighten me oh mighty enlightener since you’re so smart, what’s your fix to the game if quick pitching is the problem and r2 isn’t a broken mechanic. Because you’re making absolutely no sense just seem to be arguing both sides and don’t even realize it.
I cannot say this any more clearly: YOU ARE NOT USING MY ARGUMENT TO ARGUE AGAINST ME. YOU HAVE CLEARLY CONFLATED SOMEONE ELSE’S WORDS. I HAVE NOT CONDONED QUICK PITCHING. I HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF HAVING SAID. YOU ARE A COMPLETE AND UTRER MORON.
When you say things that imply I shouldn’t be able to take my time between pitches as a batter before the pitcher starts his windup, whether in real life or a video game, which you’ve done on multiple instances, you’re honestly advocating for quick pitching being not only okay but the norm.
But hey I’m still waiting to hear what your fix is to what you actually thinks wrong with the game so go ahead and enlighten me, or keep calling me a moron because I’m using your own ridiculous argument against you and you’re seeing just how little sense it makes.
I never said that you shouldn't be able to take time between pitches. Not one time. You keep saying I continuously make that argument. You can't point to one instance of me having said it because YOU ARE WRONG. It's ok. Take the L. You are not using my argument against me. You are obviously using someone else's and pretending I said it. This is ridiculous and you're being a petulant child.
I think quick pitching sucks. I don't quick pitch. I think the players that use R2 to look at information are fine. The ones that push it intermittently trying to disrupt timing are pathetic (sorta like you). My preference would be to put balks back in the game. It forces a player to come set.
However, once again, you are quite obviously not looking at anything that I have actually said. Your argument lies elsewhere. I'm done talking to you since you obviously lack any sort of reading comprehension skills and are only going to repeatedly accuse me of saying stuff I didn't say. Adios, child.
Balks is fine but only works with runners on base. I would rather not have balks but just allow me to step off the mound as much as I like if user can continue to press R2.
if it helps you mate - when i get an R2 guy who is acting like a moron, i will just wait like 5-8 seconds before pitching - it makes a 9'er go for 1.5 hours and it sucks, but this way you can still control the pitch - and make them watch each HR replay and crush them is the goal
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Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.
Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?
The batter may be able to call time once but he can step his foot outside the box at any time during the at bat before the pitcher becomes set, or before they start their wind up.
Just watch a little league game. The kids step out every pitch and look over at the coach for a sign.
I’m talking about in the game, not real life.
The game is simulated based on the real life sport... the kids look over at the coach because the coach tells them what pitch to expect. People use r2 to give themselves time to think about what’s coming next. I use it and analyze the previous pitches and by the 4th or 5th pitch of an at bat I can usually smash a good good perfect perfect just by guessing which pitch your going to throw next let alone the location,
Anyone whining about r2 use is literally just upset they can’t quick pitch you and give you no time to catch on to what pitches you’re throwing most often and which locations you frequent with each pitch. Not just from at bat to at bat but literally within each at bat.
It’s part of real life baseball so it’s part of the game. If you don’t like it go play backyard baseball lol
What are you even talking about? There are plenty of people who just spam it to disrupt the pitcher. That has nothing to do with real baseball.
If I’m playing baseball and you’re fast pitching me I will step out of the box between every pitch and take some practice swings. Readjust my gloves and elbow guard etc. real baseball the batter can slow the pitcher down in many ways. He just can’t slow the game down to the point it’s boring as hell for the crowd and the game drags on 5 hours.
You realize a real baseball game takes an average of over 3 hours, and your bitching about having to play a game for 30-45 minutes because the other guy doesn’t want to be fast pitched all night. Get out of here and stop being a baby.
Dude, what are you talking about? You’re trying to argue with me and you don’t even seem to understand my stance.
I understand perfectly fine. You’re upset people prevent you from quick pitching and spam the r2 button at random [censored] times. But you don’t seem to understand it’s the exact equivalent of the batter stepping out of the box taking practice swings between every single pitch. These players are intentionally throwing off your rhythm to improve their own chances at winning the game and you’re upset over it but can’t understand how much of a baby it makes you. You’re literally just upset you can’t rush through the game and someone else is enjoying it how they want to play. Sad
Except I’ve been making the exact opposite argument. Idiot.
Then you’re arguing with yourself over nothing. You say I don’t understand so I explain the opposite side to my argument and then you say you’re arguing the exact opposite which would mean you’re arguing my side. So you don’t understand? Or I don’t understand? I’m starting to think you don’t.
If you’re not upset that people are slowing down your fast pitching or disrupting your rhythm with the r2 button then you have no reason to want the r2 mechanic gone. So no I don’t understand what exactly is your grievance here if you’re not upset by anything the r2 mechanic causes
️Jesus Christ, you’re stupid. You need to go back and read what I’ve actually said. You appear to be confounding what I’ve said with someone else.
Lol you’re talking about how it’s not real life it’s a game so the pitcher should be able to just blow pitches up there whenever he want.
You’re upset that when you start your pitch timer I can still press r2 and pause it.
But the reality is your pitcher is not in his wind up so it’s just like me calling time out between every pitch.
In real baseball 99% of the time the ump allows it so in game it is allowed. R2 is not the broken mechanic.The broken mechanic is the pitching meter. If I press r2 your whole pitch should reset. You guys are attacking the wrong mechanic because it’s one you don’t use or fully understand. But I’m the ignorant one. Go fogure
I never said that. Once again, go back and read what I’ve said.
Look at the end of the day r2 isn’t broken. Pitching is. If you disagree it’s because you’re quick pitching and don’t like that people can slow your game down. Plain and simple. Whether you agree or disagree I don’t care. But if you think r2 is the broken mechanic youre not understanding it’s purpose in the game is to allow the batter to stop and think between pitches like in a real game. This is a baseball simulation. They did their best to allow the batter his time without having all these crazy mechanics like calling time or stepping one foot out or this or that. Your batter stays in the box the whole at bat unless you get lucky and can even call time. R2 is my practice swing between at bats. In 99.99999 of scenarios there batter is given that time. And when he’s not he can step back in and take a crazy cut if he chooses but in game I cannot do that. It’s a video game not everything can be exactly the way real life is. So if me pressing r2 disrupts your pitching then that means the pitching mechanic is broken. Not r2. Quit blaming a mechanic that works the way intended, all because it exploits a broken mechanic in the pitching and start asking sds why they haven’t fixed the broken pitching mechanic caused by r2 instead.
If I press r2 your pitcher should reset from the start of the pitch plain and simple. Eventually r2 pressers will get tired of it and quick pitchers will stop trying to pitch so fast. Or we can mess with the r2 mechanic and just make every game a 12 second 9 pitch inning because I can’t even take a breath between each pitch.
You’re still ignoring the fact that I was arguing against quick pitching. [censored] you, dude. Your bad faith argument based on nothing I’ve actually said is ridiculous.
You’re arguing against quick pitching but somehow are giving every single reason for why it should be allowed while advocating that the batter in real life has absolutely no way whatsoever to prevent or slow it down, and even stated that since it’s a video game we shouldn’t look to real life baseball for answers. So if quick pitching is not cool r2 should make sense to you but your continuously making 1 off comparisons like they’re the norm in baseball. The reality is I as a batter given the opportunity by the umpire can dictate the pace of the game and your pitching. So sds with that knowledge put a mechanic in the game that is the in game equivalent of me stepping out of the box or calling time between each pitch without actually having to pause the game every single pitch....
You say disrupting the pitcher has nothing to do with real baseball, but what is calling time between pitches or stepping out of the box? R2 only disrupts a pitcher who’s spamming his own broken mechanic. No one throws a pitch every two seconds.
So enlighten me oh mighty enlightener since you’re so smart, what’s your fix to the game if quick pitching is the problem and r2 isn’t a broken mechanic. Because you’re making absolutely no sense just seem to be arguing both sides and don’t even realize it.
I cannot say this any more clearly: YOU ARE NOT USING MY ARGUMENT TO ARGUE AGAINST ME. YOU HAVE CLEARLY CONFLATED SOMEONE ELSE’S WORDS. I HAVE NOT CONDONED QUICK PITCHING. I HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF HAVING SAID. YOU ARE A COMPLETE AND UTRER MORON.
When you say things that imply I shouldn’t be able to take my time between pitches as a batter before the pitcher starts his windup, whether in real life or a video game, which you’ve done on multiple instances, you’re honestly advocating for quick pitching being not only okay but the norm.
But hey I’m still waiting to hear what your fix is to what you actually thinks wrong with the game so go ahead and enlighten me, or keep calling me a moron because I’m using your own ridiculous argument against you and you’re seeing just how little sense it makes.
I never said that you shouldn't be able to take time between pitches. Not one time. You keep saying I continuously make that argument. You can't point to one instance of me having said it because YOU ARE WRONG. It's ok. Take the L. You are not using my argument against me. You are obviously using someone else's and pretending I said it. This is ridiculous and you're being a petulant child.
I think quick pitching sucks. I don't quick pitch. I think the players that use R2 to look at information are fine. The ones that push it intermittently trying to disrupt timing are pathetic (sorta like you). My preference would be to put balks back in the game. It forces a player to come set.
However, once again, you are quite obviously not looking at anything that I have actually said. Your argument lies elsewhere. I'm done talking to you since you obviously lack any sort of reading comprehension skills and are only going to repeatedly accuse me of saying stuff I didn't say. Adios, child.
Balks is fine but only works with runners on base. I would rather not have balks but just allow me to step off the mound as much as I like if user can continue to press R2.
That's not much of a fix. The one big issue here is that no matter what, there are going to be gamer nerds who will figure out any way to get a tiny advantage.
I'm beginning to think that maybe there should just be a 3 second countdown (or other timing mechanism) from when a pitcher selects the pitch. During this period, go ahead and show the information automatically that can be gleaned from pressing R2 (i.e. pitch selection, previous locations, etc). Take R2 completely out of the equation, and take away the ability to quick pitch.
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As a pitcher......holding R2 only disrupts quick pitchers. By default, I usually take a second before starting my next pitch, and by the time I'm ready, the little icon has already disappeared. I don't think it should be allowed every pitch, but for now it is, so adapt. Keep in mind, I have played opponents who use it a lot and probably with bad intentions, but I have not played an opponent that I would say "abuses" it.
As a hitter......if you want to quick pitch to throw me off my best game, then I will hold R2 to throw you off yours. Exploiting each other's weaknesses.....sounds like competition to me. I use it for information 90% of the time....especially when there's a new pitcher. But I also use it to slow people down....never with the intent to mess up timing on an individual pitch.
Exactly. Glad someone gets it. It’s just like real baseball but it’s a video game and this is the best way they could figure out how to make both sides happy.
Except that R2 is being used as a weapon against... pitching. Which is a required element of gameplay. Using R2 in this weaponised context is optional and the pitcher has no equivalent because the pitcher has to pitch. The pitcher has to pitch and being f-ed with by a game feature that's being used in an unsportsmanlike way doesn't sound like 'exploiting each other's weaknesses' but more like the one-sided exploit it actually is.
Not sure where you guys are it in this debate....and forgive me for not reading the previous 50 posts on this thread.
I would consider the unrealistic quick pitching as an exploit against hitters. At least, for me it is. I am far from pro at this game, and I would like more than 0.4 seconds in-between pitches to get my thoughts and finger placement together. So, if I face a guy who likes to throw 5 pitches in 12 seconds. Then I will use what tool are at my disposal. I don't abuse R2 anymore than my opponent repeatedly balks. I can only call time once, if it even lets me at all (which is also unrealistic).
I understand both sides of the argument here, so I wont go back and forth with anyone. If you excel when quick pitching, then I understand your gripe.....but understand mine when you balk 30 times a game.
The problem is you can press r2 mid meter and freeze them and make them throw bad pitches. So they’re mad at the r2 mechanic when the reality is they need to be mad at the pitching meters, and a mechanic that allows the meter to restart when r2 is pressed should be implemented into the game. But since r2 makes the game harder or less fun for them they just want it totally taken out of the game screw the other side that doesn’t play like them.
On analog, if I pull down to start my delivery/windup, and the player pushes R2 and releases it before I get the stick back to center, it causes the movement of the stick toward center to be the start of the delivery. Then, there isnt anything I can do to stop the delivery, which results in wild pitches or many times, meatball pitches.
That is the root cause of the argument against those using R2. Some (many) users will do it strategically to force bad pitches, and there isnt any way to stop your pitcher once its executed this way.
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The easiest fix is just Have R2 a one time use per pitch simple easy done
That doesn’t work because some idiots enjoy throwing over to first multiple times and by the time the pitch is thrown I don’t even remember which pitches most starters have let alone which ones they’ve been hot with.
By the time I remember all 4-5 pitches I’ve usually beat the pitcher up enough they’re bolded textchanging guys anyway. So r2 is mainly for information. But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.
Ahhh the truth comes out you said it but you did read per pitch right so it wouldn’t matter if he throws to 1st the pitcher still resets right? So it’s a non issue
From your last post...
(But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.)
I see where you are at
This dude is a complete idiot.
How so? You said spam you can simply hold R2 to slow them down
Never once did I say that.
Not you the other guy I quoted but did you call me an idiot? Lol I dunno why or you talking about the other dude
Ah, my bad. Yeah, I was referring to the other dude. I see how the mixup happened.
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Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.
Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?
The batter may be able to call time once but he can step his foot outside the box at any time during the at bat before the pitcher becomes set, or before they start their wind up.
Just watch a little league game. The kids step out every pitch and look over at the coach for a sign.
I’m talking about in the game, not real life.
The game is simulated based on the real life sport... the kids look over at the coach because the coach tells them what pitch to expect. People use r2 to give themselves time to think about what’s coming next. I use it and analyze the previous pitches and by the 4th or 5th pitch of an at bat I can usually smash a good good perfect perfect just by guessing which pitch your going to throw next let alone the location,
Anyone whining about r2 use is literally just upset they can’t quick pitch you and give you no time to catch on to what pitches you’re throwing most often and which locations you frequent with each pitch. Not just from at bat to at bat but literally within each at bat.
It’s part of real life baseball so it’s part of the game. If you don’t like it go play backyard baseball lol
What are you even talking about? There are plenty of people who just spam it to disrupt the pitcher. That has nothing to do with real baseball.
If I’m playing baseball and you’re fast pitching me I will step out of the box between every pitch and take some practice swings. Readjust my gloves and elbow guard etc. real baseball the batter can slow the pitcher down in many ways. He just can’t slow the game down to the point it’s boring as hell for the crowd and the game drags on 5 hours.
You realize a real baseball game takes an average of over 3 hours, and your bitching about having to play a game for 30-45 minutes because the other guy doesn’t want to be fast pitched all night. Get out of here and stop being a baby.
Dude, what are you talking about? You’re trying to argue with me and you don’t even seem to understand my stance.
I understand perfectly fine. You’re upset people prevent you from quick pitching and spam the r2 button at random [censored] times. But you don’t seem to understand it’s the exact equivalent of the batter stepping out of the box taking practice swings between every single pitch. These players are intentionally throwing off your rhythm to improve their own chances at winning the game and you’re upset over it but can’t understand how much of a baby it makes you. You’re literally just upset you can’t rush through the game and someone else is enjoying it how they want to play. Sad
Except I’ve been making the exact opposite argument. Idiot.
Then you’re arguing with yourself over nothing. You say I don’t understand so I explain the opposite side to my argument and then you say you’re arguing the exact opposite which would mean you’re arguing my side. So you don’t understand? Or I don’t understand? I’m starting to think you don’t.
If you’re not upset that people are slowing down your fast pitching or disrupting your rhythm with the r2 button then you have no reason to want the r2 mechanic gone. So no I don’t understand what exactly is your grievance here if you’re not upset by anything the r2 mechanic causes
️Jesus Christ, you’re stupid. You need to go back and read what I’ve actually said. You appear to be confounding what I’ve said with someone else.
Lol you’re talking about how it’s not real life it’s a game so the pitcher should be able to just blow pitches up there whenever he want.
You’re upset that when you start your pitch timer I can still press r2 and pause it.
But the reality is your pitcher is not in his wind up so it’s just like me calling time out between every pitch.
In real baseball 99% of the time the ump allows it so in game it is allowed. R2 is not the broken mechanic.The broken mechanic is the pitching meter. If I press r2 your whole pitch should reset. You guys are attacking the wrong mechanic because it’s one you don’t use or fully understand. But I’m the ignorant one. Go fogure
I never said that. Once again, go back and read what I’ve said.
Look at the end of the day r2 isn’t broken. Pitching is. If you disagree it’s because you’re quick pitching and don’t like that people can slow your game down. Plain and simple. Whether you agree or disagree I don’t care. But if you think r2 is the broken mechanic youre not understanding it’s purpose in the game is to allow the batter to stop and think between pitches like in a real game. This is a baseball simulation. They did their best to allow the batter his time without having all these crazy mechanics like calling time or stepping one foot out or this or that. Your batter stays in the box the whole at bat unless you get lucky and can even call time. R2 is my practice swing between at bats. In 99.99999 of scenarios there batter is given that time. And when he’s not he can step back in and take a crazy cut if he chooses but in game I cannot do that. It’s a video game not everything can be exactly the way real life is. So if me pressing r2 disrupts your pitching then that means the pitching mechanic is broken. Not r2. Quit blaming a mechanic that works the way intended, all because it exploits a broken mechanic in the pitching and start asking sds why they haven’t fixed the broken pitching mechanic caused by r2 instead.
If I press r2 your pitcher should reset from the start of the pitch plain and simple. Eventually r2 pressers will get tired of it and quick pitchers will stop trying to pitch so fast. Or we can mess with the r2 mechanic and just make every game a 12 second 9 pitch inning because I can’t even take a breath between each pitch.
You’re still ignoring the fact that I was arguing against quick pitching. [censored] you, dude. Your bad faith argument based on nothing I’ve actually said is ridiculous.
You’re arguing against quick pitching but somehow are giving every single reason for why it should be allowed while advocating that the batter in real life has absolutely no way whatsoever to prevent or slow it down, and even stated that since it’s a video game we shouldn’t look to real life baseball for answers. So if quick pitching is not cool r2 should make sense to you but your continuously making 1 off comparisons like they’re the norm in baseball. The reality is I as a batter given the opportunity by the umpire can dictate the pace of the game and your pitching. So sds with that knowledge put a mechanic in the game that is the in game equivalent of me stepping out of the box or calling time between each pitch without actually having to pause the game every single pitch....
You say disrupting the pitcher has nothing to do with real baseball, but what is calling time between pitches or stepping out of the box? R2 only disrupts a pitcher who’s spamming his own broken mechanic. No one throws a pitch every two seconds.
So enlighten me oh mighty enlightener since you’re so smart, what’s your fix to the game if quick pitching is the problem and r2 isn’t a broken mechanic. Because you’re making absolutely no sense just seem to be arguing both sides and don’t even realize it.
I cannot say this any more clearly: YOU ARE NOT USING MY ARGUMENT TO ARGUE AGAINST ME. YOU HAVE CLEARLY CONFLATED SOMEONE ELSE’S WORDS. I HAVE NOT CONDONED QUICK PITCHING. I HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF HAVING SAID. YOU ARE A COMPLETE AND UTRER MORON.
When you say things that imply I shouldn’t be able to take my time between pitches as a batter before the pitcher starts his windup, whether in real life or a video game, which you’ve done on multiple instances, you’re honestly advocating for quick pitching being not only okay but the norm.
But hey I’m still waiting to hear what your fix is to what you actually thinks wrong with the game so go ahead and enlighten me, or keep calling me a moron because I’m using your own ridiculous argument against you and you’re seeing just how little sense it makes.
I never said that you shouldn't be able to take time between pitches. Not one time. You keep saying I continuously make that argument. You can't point to one instance of me having said it because YOU ARE WRONG. It's ok. Take the L. You are not using my argument against me. You are obviously using someone else's and pretending I said it. This is ridiculous and you're being a petulant child.
I think quick pitching sucks. I don't quick pitch. I think the players that use R2 to look at information are fine. The ones that push it intermittently trying to disrupt timing are pathetic (sorta like you). My preference would be to put balks back in the game. It forces a player to come set.
However, once again, you are quite obviously not looking at anything that I have actually said. Your argument lies elsewhere. I'm done talking to you since you obviously lack any sort of reading comprehension skills and are only going to repeatedly accuse me of saying stuff I didn't say. Adios, child.
Balks is fine but only works with runners on base. I would rather not have balks but just allow me to step off the mound as much as I like if user can continue to press R2.
if it helps you mate - when i get an R2 guy who is acting like a moron, i will just wait like 5-8 seconds before pitching - it makes a 9'er go for 1.5 hours and it sucks, but this way you can still control the pitch - and make them watch each HR replay and crush them is the goal
I do wait there are players that will hit R2 as soon as I pick my pitch no matter how long I wait, The holding R2 just becomes annoying at that point. If it gets to annoying I will just quit the game in RS.I know I am not making World Series. I got between WC and AS. I play RS more this year cause you only need the 40 wins. I do not need to sit and play against player who hits R2 for every pitch and I am not even QP.
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As a pitcher......holding R2 only disrupts quick pitchers. By default, I usually take a second before starting my next pitch, and by the time I'm ready, the little icon has already disappeared. I don't think it should be allowed every pitch, but for now it is, so adapt. Keep in mind, I have played opponents who use it a lot and probably with bad intentions, but I have not played an opponent that I would say "abuses" it.
As a hitter......if you want to quick pitch to throw me off my best game, then I will hold R2 to throw you off yours. Exploiting each other's weaknesses.....sounds like competition to me. I use it for information 90% of the time....especially when there's a new pitcher. But I also use it to slow people down....never with the intent to mess up timing on an individual pitch.
Exactly. Glad someone gets it. It’s just like real baseball but it’s a video game and this is the best way they could figure out how to make both sides happy.
Except that R2 is being used as a weapon against... pitching. Which is a required element of gameplay. Using R2 in this weaponised context is optional and the pitcher has no equivalent because the pitcher has to pitch. The pitcher has to pitch and being f-ed with by a game feature that's being used in an unsportsmanlike way doesn't sound like 'exploiting each other's weaknesses' but more like the one-sided exploit it actually is.
Not sure where you guys are it in this debate....and forgive me for not reading the previous 50 posts on this thread.
I would consider the unrealistic quick pitching as an exploit against hitters. At least, for me it is. I am far from pro at this game, and I would like more than 0.4 seconds in-between pitches to get my thoughts and finger placement together. So, if I face a guy who likes to throw 5 pitches in 12 seconds. Then I will use what tool are at my disposal. I don't abuse R2 anymore than my opponent repeatedly balks. I can only call time once, if it even lets me at all (which is also unrealistic).
I understand both sides of the argument here, so I wont go back and forth with anyone. If you excel when quick pitching, then I understand your gripe.....but understand mine when you balk 30 times a game.
The problem is you can press r2 mid meter and freeze them and make them throw bad pitches. So they’re mad at the r2 mechanic when the reality is they need to be mad at the pitching meters, and a mechanic that allows the meter to restart when r2 is pressed should be implemented into the game. But since r2 makes the game harder or less fun for them they just want it totally taken out of the game screw the other side that doesn’t play like them.
On analog, if I pull down to start my delivery/windup, and the player pushes R2 and releases it before I get the stick back to center, it causes the movement of the stick toward center to be the start of the delivery. Then, there isnt anything I can do to stop the delivery, which results in wild pitches or many times, meatball pitches.
That is the root cause of the argument against those using R2. Some (many) users will do it strategically to force bad pitches, and there isnt any way to stop your pitcher once its executed this way.
I understand this and it means the pitching mechanic is broken. Not r2.
This is what baffles me that people don’t get.
Fix the pitching input and r2 is no longer a problem, it’s just a button people spam for no reason thinking it makes them better. -
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Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.
Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?
The batter may be able to call time once but he can step his foot outside the box at any time during the at bat before the pitcher becomes set, or before they start their wind up.
Just watch a little league game. The kids step out every pitch and look over at the coach for a sign.
I’m talking about in the game, not real life.
The game is simulated based on the real life sport... the kids look over at the coach because the coach tells them what pitch to expect. People use r2 to give themselves time to think about what’s coming next. I use it and analyze the previous pitches and by the 4th or 5th pitch of an at bat I can usually smash a good good perfect perfect just by guessing which pitch your going to throw next let alone the location,
Anyone whining about r2 use is literally just upset they can’t quick pitch you and give you no time to catch on to what pitches you’re throwing most often and which locations you frequent with each pitch. Not just from at bat to at bat but literally within each at bat.
It’s part of real life baseball so it’s part of the game. If you don’t like it go play backyard baseball lol
What are you even talking about? There are plenty of people who just spam it to disrupt the pitcher. That has nothing to do with real baseball.
If I’m playing baseball and you’re fast pitching me I will step out of the box between every pitch and take some practice swings. Readjust my gloves and elbow guard etc. real baseball the batter can slow the pitcher down in many ways. He just can’t slow the game down to the point it’s boring as hell for the crowd and the game drags on 5 hours.
You realize a real baseball game takes an average of over 3 hours, and your bitching about having to play a game for 30-45 minutes because the other guy doesn’t want to be fast pitched all night. Get out of here and stop being a baby.
Dude, what are you talking about? You’re trying to argue with me and you don’t even seem to understand my stance.
I understand perfectly fine. You’re upset people prevent you from quick pitching and spam the r2 button at random [censored] times. But you don’t seem to understand it’s the exact equivalent of the batter stepping out of the box taking practice swings between every single pitch. These players are intentionally throwing off your rhythm to improve their own chances at winning the game and you’re upset over it but can’t understand how much of a baby it makes you. You’re literally just upset you can’t rush through the game and someone else is enjoying it how they want to play. Sad
Except I’ve been making the exact opposite argument. Idiot.
Then you’re arguing with yourself over nothing. You say I don’t understand so I explain the opposite side to my argument and then you say you’re arguing the exact opposite which would mean you’re arguing my side. So you don’t understand? Or I don’t understand? I’m starting to think you don’t.
If you’re not upset that people are slowing down your fast pitching or disrupting your rhythm with the r2 button then you have no reason to want the r2 mechanic gone. So no I don’t understand what exactly is your grievance here if you’re not upset by anything the r2 mechanic causes
️Jesus Christ, you’re stupid. You need to go back and read what I’ve actually said. You appear to be confounding what I’ve said with someone else.
Lol you’re talking about how it’s not real life it’s a game so the pitcher should be able to just blow pitches up there whenever he want.
You’re upset that when you start your pitch timer I can still press r2 and pause it.
But the reality is your pitcher is not in his wind up so it’s just like me calling time out between every pitch.
In real baseball 99% of the time the ump allows it so in game it is allowed. R2 is not the broken mechanic.The broken mechanic is the pitching meter. If I press r2 your whole pitch should reset. You guys are attacking the wrong mechanic because it’s one you don’t use or fully understand. But I’m the ignorant one. Go fogure
I never said that. Once again, go back and read what I’ve said.
Look at the end of the day r2 isn’t broken. Pitching is. If you disagree it’s because you’re quick pitching and don’t like that people can slow your game down. Plain and simple. Whether you agree or disagree I don’t care. But if you think r2 is the broken mechanic youre not understanding it’s purpose in the game is to allow the batter to stop and think between pitches like in a real game. This is a baseball simulation. They did their best to allow the batter his time without having all these crazy mechanics like calling time or stepping one foot out or this or that. Your batter stays in the box the whole at bat unless you get lucky and can even call time. R2 is my practice swing between at bats. In 99.99999 of scenarios there batter is given that time. And when he’s not he can step back in and take a crazy cut if he chooses but in game I cannot do that. It’s a video game not everything can be exactly the way real life is. So if me pressing r2 disrupts your pitching then that means the pitching mechanic is broken. Not r2. Quit blaming a mechanic that works the way intended, all because it exploits a broken mechanic in the pitching and start asking sds why they haven’t fixed the broken pitching mechanic caused by r2 instead.
If I press r2 your pitcher should reset from the start of the pitch plain and simple. Eventually r2 pressers will get tired of it and quick pitchers will stop trying to pitch so fast. Or we can mess with the r2 mechanic and just make every game a 12 second 9 pitch inning because I can’t even take a breath between each pitch.
You’re still ignoring the fact that I was arguing against quick pitching. [censored] you, dude. Your bad faith argument based on nothing I’ve actually said is ridiculous.
You’re arguing against quick pitching but somehow are giving every single reason for why it should be allowed while advocating that the batter in real life has absolutely no way whatsoever to prevent or slow it down, and even stated that since it’s a video game we shouldn’t look to real life baseball for answers. So if quick pitching is not cool r2 should make sense to you but your continuously making 1 off comparisons like they’re the norm in baseball. The reality is I as a batter given the opportunity by the umpire can dictate the pace of the game and your pitching. So sds with that knowledge put a mechanic in the game that is the in game equivalent of me stepping out of the box or calling time between each pitch without actually having to pause the game every single pitch....
You say disrupting the pitcher has nothing to do with real baseball, but what is calling time between pitches or stepping out of the box? R2 only disrupts a pitcher who’s spamming his own broken mechanic. No one throws a pitch every two seconds.
So enlighten me oh mighty enlightener since you’re so smart, what’s your fix to the game if quick pitching is the problem and r2 isn’t a broken mechanic. Because you’re making absolutely no sense just seem to be arguing both sides and don’t even realize it.
I cannot say this any more clearly: YOU ARE NOT USING MY ARGUMENT TO ARGUE AGAINST ME. YOU HAVE CLEARLY CONFLATED SOMEONE ELSE’S WORDS. I HAVE NOT CONDONED QUICK PITCHING. I HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF HAVING SAID. YOU ARE A COMPLETE AND UTRER MORON.
When you say things that imply I shouldn’t be able to take my time between pitches as a batter before the pitcher starts his windup, whether in real life or a video game, which you’ve done on multiple instances, you’re honestly advocating for quick pitching being not only okay but the norm.
But hey I’m still waiting to hear what your fix is to what you actually thinks wrong with the game so go ahead and enlighten me, or keep calling me a moron because I’m using your own ridiculous argument against you and you’re seeing just how little sense it makes.
I never said that you shouldn't be able to take time between pitches. Not one time. You keep saying I continuously make that argument. You can't point to one instance of me having said it because YOU ARE WRONG. It's ok. Take the L. You are not using my argument against me. You are obviously using someone else's and pretending I said it. This is ridiculous and you're being a petulant child.
I think quick pitching sucks. I don't quick pitch. I think the players that use R2 to look at information are fine. The ones that push it intermittently trying to disrupt timing are pathetic (sorta like you). My preference would be to put balks back in the game. It forces a player to come set.
However, once again, you are quite obviously not looking at anything that I have actually said. Your argument lies elsewhere. I'm done talking to you since you obviously lack any sort of reading comprehension skills and are only going to repeatedly accuse me of saying stuff I didn't say. Adios, child.
Balks is fine but only works with runners on base. I would rather not have balks but just allow me to step off the mound as much as I like if user can continue to press R2.
if it helps you mate - when i get an R2 guy who is acting like a moron, i will just wait like 5-8 seconds before pitching - it makes a 9'er go for 1.5 hours and it sucks, but this way you can still control the pitch - and make them watch each HR replay and crush them is the goal
I do wait there are players that will hit R2 as soon as I pick my pitch no matter how long I wait, The holding R2 just becomes annoying at that point. If it gets to annoying I will just quit the game in RS.I know I am not making World Series. I got between WC and AS. I play RS more this year cause you only need the 40 wins. I do not need to sit and play against player who hits R2 for every pitch and I am not even QP.
Sounds like you’re either playing a bunch of games to experience this over and over, or like my luck with packs have bad game luck. I play 20-30 games a week and may encounter 2/3 r2 spammers.
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The easiest fix is just Have R2 a one time use per pitch simple easy done
That doesn’t work because some idiots enjoy throwing over to first multiple times and by the time the pitch is thrown I don’t even remember which pitches most starters have let alone which ones they’ve been hot with.
By the time I remember all 4-5 pitches I’ve usually beat the pitcher up enough they’re bolded textchanging guys anyway. So r2 is mainly for information. But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.
Ahhh the truth comes out you said it but you did read per pitch right so it wouldn’t matter if he throws to 1st the pitcher still resets right? So it’s a non issue
From your last post...
(But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.)
I see where you are at
A throw over isn’t a pitch so we’d still be in the same pitch. If the throw over counted as a pitch and reset my r2 then sure it’s a non issue but a throw over isn’t a pitch so in game they couldn’t code it that way.
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@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
The easiest fix is just Have R2 a one time use per pitch simple easy done
That doesn’t work because some idiots enjoy throwing over to first multiple times and by the time the pitch is thrown I don’t even remember which pitches most starters have let alone which ones they’ve been hot with.
By the time I remember all 4-5 pitches I’ve usually beat the pitcher up enough they’re bolded textchanging guys anyway. So r2 is mainly for information. But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.
Ahhh the truth comes out you said it but you did read per pitch right so it wouldn’t matter if he throws to 1st the pitcher still resets right? So it’s a non issue
From your last post...
(But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.)
I see where you are at
A throw over isn’t a pitch so we’d still be in the same pitch. If the throw over counted as a pitch and reset my r2 then sure it’s a non issue but a throw over isn’t a pitch so in game they couldn’t code it that way.
Am I correct when I say when you throw over to first you Have to select your pitch again in game?
If so then it resets and is a non issue
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Why not make a 5-7 second pause between pitches and just let the pitcher pitch through the info screen. That’s in all reality the easiest solution.
Everyone wins every way around. You can spam r2 all you want for all the info you want and the pitcher can throw as fast as he wants within reason of an actual game standard.
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Why not make a 5-7 second pause between pitches and just let the pitcher pitch through the info screen. That’s in all reality the easiest solution.
Everyone wins every way around. You can spam r2 all you want for all the info you want and the pitcher can throw as fast as he wants within reason of an actual game standard.
Do you just argue to just argue? But please answer my previous?
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You can spam r2 all you want for all the info you want
"all the info you want"
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@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
The easiest fix is just Have R2 a one time use per pitch simple easy done
That doesn’t work because some idiots enjoy throwing over to first multiple times and by the time the pitch is thrown I don’t even remember which pitches most starters have let alone which ones they’ve been hot with.
By the time I remember all 4-5 pitches I’ve usually beat the pitcher up enough they’re bolded textchanging guys anyway. So r2 is mainly for information. But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.
Ahhh the truth comes out you said it but you did read per pitch right so it wouldn’t matter if he throws to 1st the pitcher still resets right? So it’s a non issue
From your last post...
(But if you are quick pitching me I will spam it until you finally slow down to a somewhat normal pace. If you’re too stupid to get the hint that’s on you.)
I see where you are at
A throw over isn’t a pitch so we’d still be in the same pitch. If the throw over counted as a pitch and reset my r2 then sure it’s a non issue but a throw over isn’t a pitch so in game they couldn’t code it that way.
Am I correct when I say when you throw over to first you Have to select your pitch again in game?
If so then it resets and is a non issue
I don’t think you understand how coding works in a game though. The menu might reset but the in game counter still shows the same number of pitches thrown. It would be a coding nightmare and I’m sure is the exact reason they didn’t do things this way.
