Is a monitor truly worth it?
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@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
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@hikes83_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@hikes83_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends how old your TV is. Most newer TV models that support game mode rival or are close to monitors from a display lag perspective. If you have an old TV, you’ll find that the difference is night and day. My Tv was 8 years old when I bought my monitor. Made a huge difference
I dont think this is true, most newer tvs in game mode are still in the 10-15ms range while a good monitor youre looking at 1-2 ms response time. pretty big difference
Response time and input (display) lag are two different things. You won’t be able to find a monitor with a display lag below 5ms
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/benq/zowie-xl2546k
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@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
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@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@hikes83_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@hikes83_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends how old your TV is. Most newer TV models that support game mode rival or are close to monitors from a display lag perspective. If you have an old TV, you’ll find that the difference is night and day. My Tv was 8 years old when I bought my monitor. Made a huge difference
I dont think this is true, most newer tvs in game mode are still in the 10-15ms range while a good monitor youre looking at 1-2 ms response time. pretty big difference
Response time and input (display) lag are two different things. You won’t be able to find a monitor with a display lag below 5ms
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/benq/zowie-xl2546k
input lag on this monitor is 2.3msWell that’s all fine and dandy but we’re gaming at 60Hz so it’s really 12.3ms
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@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
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Google your tv and look for input lag. If it’s more than 5 ms, maybe 8, then yes.
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@untchable704_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Google your tv and look for input lag. If it’s more than 5 ms, maybe 8, then yes.
in most cases a good monitor is going to be better than a tv
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@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
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@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
Nah it does 12.3ms at 60Hz but we’re just ignoring that now I guess
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@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
well at its native refresh rate it does. at 60hz its higher but still better than most tvs
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@hikes83_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Nah it does 12.3ms at 60Hz but we’re just ignoring that now I guess
I have a bad habit of forgetting that most people only game at 60hz. I typically quote at the native refresh rate bc thats what I pc game on. regardless at 60hz its still better. and there are better monitors than that one
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@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
well at its native refresh rate it does. at 60hz its higher but still better than most tvs
The point is still that most monitors sit around 15-18ms input lag. Like you said (correctly in this case), the KS8000 sits at about 20ms input lag. That difference is negligible just like I said it is in my initial comment to this thread.
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@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
well at its native refresh rate it does. at 60hz its higher but still better than most tvs
The point is still that most monitors sit around 15-18ms input lag. Like you said (correctly in this case), the KS8000 sits at about 20ms input lag. That difference is negligible just like I said it is in my initial comment to this thread.
in this specific case the monitor is slightly better but most people arent playing on ks8000s which is considered one of the best tvs for gaming that was ever manufactured. Most high end sony's or samsungs are in the high 20s
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Saving up my $ to get the 65 LG OLED
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@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
well at its native refresh rate it does. at 60hz its higher but still better than most tvs
Paying extra for features built far beyond the PS5 capabilities doesn’t really make sense when you could spend less for higher (quicker) performance is the point. No need to look beyond 60hz, certainly no reason to pay a premium for 120hz if it hurts the performance at 60z.
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@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
well at its native refresh rate it does. at 60hz its higher but still better than most tvs
The point is still that most monitors sit around 15-18ms input lag. Like you said (correctly in this case), the KS8000 sits at about 20ms input lag. That difference is negligible just like I said it is in my initial comment to this thread.
in this specific case the monitor is slightly better but most people arent playing on ks8000s which is considered one of the best tvs for gaming that was ever manufactured. Most high end sony's or samsungs are in the high 20s
It was in 2016 yeah, but it's 5 years old now. Most newer TVs are very competitive when it comes to input lag, especially OLED TVs.
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@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
well at its native refresh rate it does. at 60hz its higher but still better than most tvs
The point is still that most monitors sit around 15-18ms input lag. Like you said (correctly in this case), the KS8000 sits at about 20ms input lag. That difference is negligible just like I said it is in my initial comment to this thread.
in this specific case the monitor is slightly better but most people arent playing on ks8000s which is considered one of the best tvs for gaming that was ever manufactured. Most high end sony's or samsungs are in the high 20s
My “low end” Samsung is under is about half that.
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@charterbus_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
well at its native refresh rate it does. at 60hz its higher but still better than most tvs
The point is still that most monitors sit around 15-18ms input lag. Like you said (correctly in this case), the KS8000 sits at about 20ms input lag. That difference is negligible just like I said it is in my initial comment to this thread.
in this specific case the monitor is slightly better but most people arent playing on ks8000s which is considered one of the best tvs for gaming that was ever manufactured. Most high end sony's or samsungs are in the high 20s
My “low end” Samsung is under is about half that.
what low end samsung do you have?
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@charterbus_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
well at its native refresh rate it does. at 60hz its higher but still better than most tvs
Paying extra for features built far beyond the PS5 capabilities doesn’t really make sense when you could spend less for higher (quicker) performance is the point. No need to look beyond 60hz, certainly no reason to pay a premium for 120hz if it hurts the performance at 60z.
thats why in another post I said there are better options than the one I used. it was just an example
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@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@charterbus_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@ny_giants4_life said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
@raesone_psn said in Is a monitor truly worth it?:
Depends on the TV you're having. If you have a low input lag TV (use game mode) the difference is negligible. I have a Samsung KS8000 and it has just a few more ms of input lag compared to my monitor. I hardly notice the difference and I've had success on both (1000 rating, 12-0 runs). I play on my monitor nowadays because I use my TV to actually watch TV while playing but I wouldn't mind playing on my TV if I had to.
People will tell you a monitor makes all the difference in the world and that's just not true. Does it make a difference if you have a high input lag TV? Yes it does. Is it absolutely neccessary to compete? No, not really.
The ks8000 still has about a 20ms response, for tvs this is great but a good monitor you can get under 5ms. Idk about you but thats a pretty big difference.
Absolutely false, you're mixing up response time with input lag. My monitor has a 1ms response time, but about 16-17 ms input lag. They're not the same thing.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
input lag: 20ms
response time: 18msyou can find monitors with better results in both categories
Isn't this exactly what I said though? The monitor you mentioned does not have 2.3 ms input lag, I can guarantee you that.
well at its native refresh rate it does. at 60hz its higher but still better than most tvs
The point is still that most monitors sit around 15-18ms input lag. Like you said (correctly in this case), the KS8000 sits at about 20ms input lag. That difference is negligible just like I said it is in my initial comment to this thread.
in this specific case the monitor is slightly better but most people arent playing on ks8000s which is considered one of the best tvs for gaming that was ever manufactured. Most high end sony's or samsungs are in the high 20s
My “low end” Samsung is under is about half that.
what low end samsung do you have?
TU8000
It was like 500$ and the input lag at 1080 60fps 4K and 4K 60fps are both below 10ms.
80% response time is 4.5ms and then the 100% is where it’s a bit worse at 14ms.
It’s pretty [censored] good value as far as the Theshow is concerned. Just doesn’t have any extra stuff for the future which is fine. When games catch up I’ll then invest in a monitor
