Roberto alomar
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@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
@formallyforearms said in Roberto alomar:
The best defensive 2B I have seen, and a great all around player.
Considering allegations that he beat his first wife, and the spitting in the face of the umpire incident, I'm sure with the latest allegation that he will no longer be in the game anymore, and I would say rightly so.
You’re right. Guilty until proven innocent!
MLB did an investigation and found evidence to warrant their decision. try again
Allegations. Try again. The MLB is a private organization and can do whatever they want. Try again.
what even is the point youre trying to make? MLB decided they didnt want him apart of their business anymore and they banned him. Banned players dont get cards. the card thats in the game will most likely be the last alomar card you will ever see in the game. no one is saying hes 100% guilty here but MLB apparently was given enough evidence by the investigators they hired
I'll iterate this a bit more for you. The MLB is a private org, and they can do whatever they want with whomever they want. That's why they have the MLBPA. My point is that just because the MLB does something, doesn't make him guilty on all charges. I'm more of a "let's her both sides of the story" type of person. Most of these accusers are found to be liars.
I agree with everything you say until the last sentence. Would love to see some evidence on that if possible. I dont think anyone here is trying to say he should go to prison but i think it makes sense for the mlb to take the course of action that they did and I wouldnt be upset to see his card to go
I thought we weren't required to provide evidence when making claims here? All kidding aside, There are several court cases where someone was even sentenced to prison, and then it became known that the accusers were lying.
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This cancel culture and keep my distance from anyone accused of anything is getting ridiculous. If he did do something that is to be determined, but just running away from anyone who's ever had a legal issue is dangerous. Imagine if you got accused of something and everyone just backed away because they were afraid you may have done something. Don't take this as me taking sides either way. He's innocent until proven guilty. That's what the law says, that's what I agree with.
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@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
@formallyforearms said in Roberto alomar:
The best defensive 2B I have seen, and a great all around player.
Considering allegations that he beat his first wife, and the spitting in the face of the umpire incident, I'm sure with the latest allegation that he will no longer be in the game anymore, and I would say rightly so.
You’re right. Guilty until proven innocent!
MLB did an investigation and found evidence to warrant their decision. try again
Allegations. Try again. The MLB is a private organization and can do whatever they want. Try again.
what even is the point youre trying to make? MLB decided they didnt want him apart of their business anymore and they banned him. Banned players dont get cards. the card thats in the game will most likely be the last alomar card you will ever see in the game. no one is saying hes 100% guilty here but MLB apparently was given enough evidence by the investigators they hired
I'll iterate this a bit more for you. The MLB is a private org, and they can do whatever they want with whomever they want. That's why they have the MLBPA. My point is that just because the MLB does something, doesn't make him guilty on all charges. I'm more of a "let's her both sides of the story" type of person. Most of these accusers are found to be liars.
You believe most accusers are liars? Wow. Most, huh?
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@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
@formallyforearms said in Roberto alomar:
The best defensive 2B I have seen, and a great all around player.
Considering allegations that he beat his first wife, and the spitting in the face of the umpire incident, I'm sure with the latest allegation that he will no longer be in the game anymore, and I would say rightly so.
You’re right. Guilty until proven innocent!
MLB did an investigation and found evidence to warrant their decision. try again
Allegations. Try again. The MLB is a private organization and can do whatever they want. Try again.
what even is the point youre trying to make? MLB decided they didnt want him apart of their business anymore and they banned him. Banned players dont get cards. the card thats in the game will most likely be the last alomar card you will ever see in the game. no one is saying hes 100% guilty here but MLB apparently was given enough evidence by the investigators they hired
I'll iterate this a bit more for you. The MLB is a private org, and they can do whatever they want with whomever they want. That's why they have the MLBPA. My point is that just because the MLB does something, doesn't make him guilty on all charges. I'm more of a "let's her both sides of the story" type of person. Most of these accusers are found to be liars.
I agree with everything you say until the last sentence. Would love to see some evidence on that if possible. I dont think anyone here is trying to say he should go to prison but i think it makes sense for the mlb to take the course of action that they did and I wouldnt be upset to see his card to go
I thought we weren't required to provide evidence when making claims here? All kidding aside, There are several court cases where someone was even sentenced to prison, and then it became known that the accusers were lying.
thats too big of a generalization to make. Just bc court cases have gotten overturned in the past doesnt mean that any allegation afterwards is automatically false.
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The guy just said several court cases have been overturned. He didn't say a bunch of accuser's lied or that it happens all the time. If you don't agree with what someone says that your right, but you don't get to put words in someone else's mouth.
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@gutpunch411_psn said in Roberto alomar:
The guy just said several court cases have been overturned. He didn't say a bunch of accuser's lied or that it happens all the time. If you don't agree with what someone says that your right, but you don't get to put words in someone else's mouth.
his exact words were "most of these accusers are found to be liars". I didnt put anything in his mouth
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@gutpunch411_psn said in Roberto alomar:
The guy just said several court cases have been overturned. He didn't say a bunch of accuser's lied or that it happens all the time. If you don't agree with what someone says that your right, but you don't get to put words in someone else's mouth.
He said that "most of these accusers are found to be liars".
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@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@gutpunch411_psn said in Roberto alomar:
The guy just said several court cases have been overturned. He didn't say a bunch of accuser's lied or that it happens all the time. If you don't agree with what someone says that your right, but you don't get to put words in someone else's mouth.
his exact words were "most of these accusers are found to be liars". I didnt put anything in his mouth and the statement is so far from the truth. and then people ask why people dont come forward immediately. maybe bc people think this statement is true
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@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@gutpunch411_psn said in Roberto alomar:
The guy just said several court cases have been overturned. He didn't say a bunch of accuser's lied or that it happens all the time. If you don't agree with what someone says that your right, but you don't get to put words in someone else's mouth.
his exact words were "most of these accusers are found to be liars". I didnt put anything in his mouth
Yeah I guess he did in the first one. Well that's a bit extreme. I get what he was trying to say but saying most isn't true. I didn't see the post you are referring, until I went back through. My bad.
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@gutpunch411_psn said in Roberto alomar:
@ny_giants4_life said in Roberto alomar:
@gutpunch411_psn said in Roberto alomar:
The guy just said several court cases have been overturned. He didn't say a bunch of accuser's lied or that it happens all the time. If you don't agree with what someone says that your right, but you don't get to put words in someone else's mouth.
his exact words were "most of these accusers are found to be liars". I didnt put anything in his mouth
Yeah I guess he did in the first one. Well that's a bit extreme. I get what he was trying to say but saying most isn't true. I didn't see the post you are referring, until I went back through. My bad.
its all good my dude. its a long thread lol
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Yeah I just get worked up when people start taking sides on serious legal matters. I've seen people's lives get pretty much ruined from accusations and then on the other side I've seen people get away with some pretty bad stuff.
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More sad is how ppl around these types of guys/girls let them be that way. Encourage it almost and don’t say anything. I don’t care how things were different back then. Being a gross scumbag is being a gross scumbag and if you know he/she is one and you allow them to be then your a scumbag too.
I’ve been in sales/retail/management for 25 yrs and trust me you know who those guys and girls are! It’s not a secret
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When I said "Most of THESE", I simply meant "most ACCUSERS". Not necessarily those accusing someone of sexual assault, harassments, etc. Considering nobody knows the facts and these are still allegations... until there is is evidence put forth, and details provided... I simply don't think it's fair to join in on the bandwagon. Like I said before, I don't like the dude... I don't care what the MLB or SDS decides to do. There is due process for a reason.
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@skoalface1823_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
When I said "Most of THESE", I simply meant "most ACCUSERS". Not necessarily those accusing someone of sexual assault, harassments, etc. Considering nobody knows the facts and these are still allegations... until there is is evidence put forth, and details provided... I simply don't think it's fair to join in on the bandwagon. Like I said before, I don't like the dude... I don't care what the MLB or SDS decides to do. There is due process for a reason.
due process is technically intended for legal matters in the court of law not a private organization like the MLB. even if you say "most accusers" youre still wrong. shouldnt make generalizations that vast when trying to explain a point just fyi.
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Allegations do not mean guilt. The legal system considers him innocent until proven guilty. He claims his innocence. Its a he said/she said case. I take him at his word.
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@a761506_psn said in Roberto alomar:
Allegations do not mean guilt. The legal system considers him innocent until proven guilty. He claims his innocence. Its a he said/she said case. I take him at his word.
this has nothing to do with legal matters. its a simple employee fired by employer situation. from the info thats out there the woman wasnt even pressing charges, obviously this could change.
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@gutpunch411_psn said in Roberto alomar:
This cancel culture and keep my distance from anyone accused of anything is getting ridiculous. If he did do something that is to be determined, but just running away from anyone who's ever had a legal issue is dangerous. Imagine if you got accused of something and everyone just backed away because they were afraid you may have done something. Don't take this as me taking sides either way. He's innocent until proven guilty. That's what the law says, that's what I agree with.
Epstein is a saint.
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@king-cals_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
Say goodbye to any further Robbie alomar cards after mlb officially bans him for sexual assault. If they give him more cards and not Robbie cano, that’s horse-[censored]
So he’s already guilty? Last I checked this works when it’s innocent “UNTIL” proven guilty. He posted and said he wants to speak on his behalf before he’s thrown to the wolves. The guy deserves that much.
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@themoshow___psn said in Roberto alomar:
@king-cals_xbl said in Roberto alomar:
Say goodbye to any further Robbie alomar cards after mlb officially bans him for sexual assault. If they give him more cards and not Robbie cano, that’s horse-[censored]
So he’s already guilty? Last I checked this works when it’s innocent “UNTIL” proven guilty. He posted and said he wants to speak on his behalf before he’s thrown to the wolves. The guy deserves that much.
mlb was provided with enough evidence that led them to banning him. theres no legal action at play currently.
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@duiaintez_psn said in Roberto alomar:
@gutpunch411_psn said in Roberto alomar:
This cancel culture and keep my distance from anyone accused of anything is getting ridiculous. If he did do something that is to be determined, but just running away from anyone who's ever had a legal issue is dangerous. Imagine if you got accused of something and everyone just backed away because they were afraid you may have done something. Don't take this as me taking sides either way. He's innocent until proven guilty. That's what the law says, that's what I agree with.
Epstein is a saint.
So just because one guy was in jail for something, we should just lump everyone else in? I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty. I just believe he should have his day in court.
