The Cleveland Baseball Team....
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@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
The thing I never understand is all the time companies and other things change names and style and everything but its only when racist symbols get changed that people seem to get upset.
Um...... I don't think people have the same connection or investment in companies or products like they do with Sports teams generally speaking. Certainly you see a difference here.
I haven't watched 162 Captain Crunch commercials every year since I was a kid. I also don't have a jersey of their CEO, mvp of sales, or top factory worker from the 2014 season.
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@NCStateHokie said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
I haven't watched 162 Captain Crunch commercials every year since I was a kid. I also don't have a jersey of their CEO, mvp of sales, or top factory worker from the 2014 season.
Funniest thing I’ve read on here in a while
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@NCStateHokie said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@mjfc_363 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
The Chicago Blackhawks work with Native American tribes to help educate the public. It can be done and IS done!!
Bingo. The ACC Network did a great show about how the Seminole nation is honored to have FSU represent them and use their name.
Being racist is egregious but so is a group of people telling another group of people what is best for them or that their way is better.
EXACTLY. This is what I was trying to say in my earlier posts. People who are not Native American deciding what is best for Native Americans is the same thing as, for example, Andrew Jackson deciding what was best for them way back when.
Reservations and Trail of Tears, anyone?
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@NCStateHokie said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
The thing I never understand is all the time companies and other things change names and style and everything but its only when racist symbols get changed that people seem to get upset.
Um...... I don't think people have the same connection or investment in companies or products like they do with Sports teams generally speaking. Certainly you see a difference here.
I haven't watched 162 Captain Crunch commercials every year since I was a kid. I also don't have a jersey of their CEO, mvp of sales, or top factory worker from the 2014 season.
Exactly, people don't have huge connections with companies yet people still lost their mind when Aunt Jemima was changed. Thats what I was referencing. I'm totally down with teams and groups working together to come up with a respectful team name/mascot. Its just embarrassing how fast everyone tries to point out why something isn't offensive when it's been called offensive by the people it represents for a long time.
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@mjfc_363 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
How bout Cuyahoga Chiefs in honor of the native land very near Cleveland?!
Lol... no thx
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New name = Cleveland_______ Presented by Progressive
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@lazy_toast said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
New name = Cleveland_______ Presented by Progressive
Cleveland Callers 'we've been trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty'
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@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@NCStateHokie said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
The thing I never understand is all the time companies and other things change names and style and everything but its only when racist symbols get changed that people seem to get upset.
Um...... I don't think people have the same connection or investment in companies or products like they do with Sports teams generally speaking. Certainly you see a difference here.
I haven't watched 162 Captain Crunch commercials every year since I was a kid. I also don't have a jersey of their CEO, mvp of sales, or top factory worker from the 2014 season.
Exactly, people don't have huge connections with companies yet people still lost their mind when Aunt Jemima was changed. Thats what I was referencing. I'm totally down with teams and groups working together to come up with a respectful team name/mascot. Its just embarrassing how fast everyone tries to point out why something isn't offensive when it's been called offensive by the people it represents for a long time.
Speaking of Aunt Jemima it is another example of what The_Doctors Wife was saying. White folks telling other races what is best for them or what should or shouldn't offend them. Here is a quote from one of Aunt Jemima's descendents. They were not happy about changing the product's name.
"This woman served all those people, and it was after slavery," he said. "She worked as Aunt Jemima. That was her job. … How do you think I feel as a black man sitting here telling you about my family history they're trying to erase?"
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@NCStateHokie said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@NCStateHokie said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
The thing I never understand is all the time companies and other things change names and style and everything but its only when racist symbols get changed that people seem to get upset.
Um...... I don't think people have the same connection or investment in companies or products like they do with Sports teams generally speaking. Certainly you see a difference here.
I haven't watched 162 Captain Crunch commercials every year since I was a kid. I also don't have a jersey of their CEO, mvp of sales, or top factory worker from the 2014 season.
Exactly, people don't have huge connections with companies yet people still lost their mind when Aunt Jemima was changed. Thats what I was referencing. I'm totally down with teams and groups working together to come up with a respectful team name/mascot. Its just embarrassing how fast everyone tries to point out why something isn't offensive when it's been called offensive by the people it represents for a long time.
Speaking of Aunt Jemima it is another example of what The_Doctors Wife was saying. White folks telling other races what is best for them or what should or shouldn't offend them. Here is a quote from one of Aunt Jemima's descendents. They were not happy about changing the product's name.
"This woman served all those people, and it was after slavery," he said. "She worked as Aunt Jemima. That was her job. … How do you think I feel as a black man sitting here telling you about my family history they're trying to erase?"
I saw that too! It doesn't make sense that the syrup company wouldn't honor the family's wishes and their history.
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@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@NCStateHokie said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@NCStateHokie said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
The thing I never understand is all the time companies and other things change names and style and everything but its only when racist symbols get changed that people seem to get upset.
Um...... I don't think people have the same connection or investment in companies or products like they do with Sports teams generally speaking. Certainly you see a difference here.
I haven't watched 162 Captain Crunch commercials every year since I was a kid. I also don't have a jersey of their CEO, mvp of sales, or top factory worker from the 2014 season.
Exactly, people don't have huge connections with companies yet people still lost their mind when Aunt Jemima was changed. Thats what I was referencing. I'm totally down with teams and groups working together to come up with a respectful team name/mascot. Its just embarrassing how fast everyone tries to point out why something isn't offensive when it's been called offensive by the people it represents for a long time.
Speaking of Aunt Jemima it is another example of what The_Doctors Wife was saying. White folks telling other races what is best for them or what should or shouldn't offend them. Here is a quote from one of Aunt Jemima's descendents. They were not happy about changing the product's name.
"This woman served all those people, and it was after slavery," he said. "She worked as Aunt Jemima. That was her job. … How do you think I feel as a black man sitting here telling you about my family history they're trying to erase?"
I saw that too! It doesn't make sense that the syrup company wouldn't honor the family's wishes and their history.
I think they did. The same bottles of syrup are still available where I live.
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@NCStateHokie said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@NCStateHokie said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
The thing I never understand is all the time companies and other things change names and style and everything but its only when racist symbols get changed that people seem to get upset.
Um...... I don't think people have the same connection or investment in companies or products like they do with Sports teams generally speaking. Certainly you see a difference here.
I haven't watched 162 Captain Crunch commercials every year since I was a kid. I also don't have a jersey of their CEO, mvp of sales, or top factory worker from the 2014 season.
Exactly, people don't have huge connections with companies yet people still lost their mind when Aunt Jemima was changed. Thats what I was referencing. I'm totally down with teams and groups working together to come up with a respectful team name/mascot. Its just embarrassing how fast everyone tries to point out why something isn't offensive when it's been called offensive by the people it represents for a long time.
Speaking of Aunt Jemima it is another example of what The_Doctors Wife was saying. White folks telling other races what is best for them or what should or shouldn't offend them. Here is a quote from one of Aunt Jemima's descendents. They were not happy about changing the product's name.
"This woman served all those people, and it was after slavery," he said. "She worked as Aunt Jemima. That was her job. … How do you think I feel as a black man sitting here telling you about my family history they're trying to erase?"
I agree that white people/groups should never be making decisions for a minority group without speaking to people in that group and making sure they get input from the right people. On the other side tho I also don't think white people should be the ones outraged by these changes. If you see people inside of the group thats represented who don't like the change, magnify their voices like you do here posting that article. Noone thats not part of a group should ever be making a decision for that group on their own.
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@lazy_toast said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
New name = Cleveland_______ Presented by Progressive
Cleveland Name Your Price Tools? Cleveland Home & Auto?
If it ain't broke...
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@mjfc_363 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
How bout Cuyahoga Chiefs in honor of the native land very near Cleveland?!
I hope not, otherwise I’ll have to spell check that every time I post about a cayuhoaga player.
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@CalisGW said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
So many white people crying about the name change. Just call them the Cleveland Crackers ( or anything offensive referring to white people ) and let’s move on.
Cleveland Whities
Cleveland Gringos
Cleveland White Boys
Cleveland Proud Boys
Cleveland Ku K.... you get the pointUmmm, this is racist, dude. I'd like to point out...
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Those of us who don't like the idea of a name change because it doesn't make sense after they've been called the Cleveland Indians for so much of their franchise history.
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There's a whole lot of renaming going on across the country of schools, sports teams, product brands, etc. Whether these names should be changed or not doesn't matter—some people are just tired of it.
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Not all white people are racist. To assume that a white person is racist based on the fact that they have white skin is racist.
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Yep, knew this thread would get out of hand.
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Just out of curiosity, I wonder why historically sports teams looked at the Native Americans, who we basically stole the land from, and said, hey, why don’t we name our sports teams after them? While we’re at it, let’s use some disparaging names (Washington) and invent some fake traditions like a tomahawk chant?
Look, I’m an old guy who loved watching the Redskins and thought the tomahawk chant was the coolest thing to watch in the 90’s in Atlanta, so I’m a hypocrite. That doesn’t mean I can’t look now and go, wow, that is sort of wrong when you think about it. I hate that they are changing things like the Indians name, but I also understand it.
Just my thoughts that no one asked for.
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@bostondirtdog21 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
Just out of curiosity, I wonder why historically sports teams looked at the Native Americans, who we basically stole the land from, and said, hey, why don’t we name our sports teams after them? While we’re at it, let’s use some disparaging names (Washington) and invent some fake traditions like a tomahawk chant?
Look, I’m an old guy who loved watching the Redskins and thought the tomahawk chant was the coolest thing to watch in the 90’s in Atlanta, so I’m a hypocrite. That doesn’t mean I can’t look now and go, wow, that is sort of wrong when you think about it. I hate that they are changing things like the Indians name, but I also understand it.
Just my thoughts that no one asked for.
No one asked for it, but everyone is better because of it.
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I just read they're keeping 'Indians' for the 2021 season.
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@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@CalisGW said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
So many white people crying about the name change. Just call them the Cleveland Crackers ( or anything offensive referring to white people ) and let’s move on.
Cleveland Whities
Cleveland Gringos
Cleveland White Boys
Cleveland Proud Boys
Cleveland Ku K.... you get the pointUmmm, this is racist, dude. I'd like to point out...
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Those of us who don't like the idea of a name change because it doesn't make sense after they've been called the Cleveland Indians for so much of their franchise history.
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There's a whole lot of renaming going on across the country of schools, sports teams, product brands, etc. Whether these names should be changed or not doesn't matter—some people are just tired of it.
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Not all white people are racist. To assume that a white person is racist based on the fact that they have white skin is racist.
You kind of just proved the point, those team names are not viable because they marginalize a group. Just the same way Indians and Redskins should have never been the team name to begin with. Arguing something that is wrong shouldnt change because its been that way for a long time or because people are sick lf things changing is dangerous rhetoric and is usually said by the privileged.
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