To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”
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@eatyum said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@eatyum said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Red_Ted_is_back said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Hikes83 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
I don’t know bud, I’m not a top 50 player or even top 100 but I still maintain a 3.40 or so ERA and I make it to the 800’s regularly and occasionally the 900’s when im hitting good. What I do is study my opponents through the game. I usually give up the majority of my runs in the first few innings. Once I have seen their tendencies I make my adjustments and usually pitch pretty well. Another thing is I never give in. Regardless of the count. You will not get a fastball down the middle. So I tend to walk more people than normal.
According to many here, that’s impossible... the forces fastballs down the middle apparently
Sorry, can’t say that I have had that issue and I’ve played the game since day 1. When I hang a pitch I’m usually at fault for doing it by missing the spot I was aiming for.
I was a firm believer in this logic too, but changed my mind, and this:
MLB The Show 20 random pitching outcomes https://youtu.be/7lpWBHqyjLE
was the tipping point. I know it’s RTTS training (so really it should actually be less random) and my secondary is a curveball but it sums up the issue of pitching input needing to be way more a factor than it is.
You’re using metered pitching input. That by its nature is not accurate. And you’re not taking into account that pitchers attributes. My guess is that pitcher doesn’t have 100+ control so using that input is going to exacerbate the issue. Like I’ve said, I make the mistakes not the game (using the input that gives me the most control over my pitches which is pure analog).
i find meter to be just perfect - i never would use analog or god forbid pulse - yet some people love it and it works well @eatyum for example
I don't use meter, I use pulse
i use meter, you use pulse
Sorry, I misread your initial comment, that's my bad
oh all good i just thought of you because we are both good pitchers but use different ways to play
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@ComebackLogic said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
Does anyone remember the stream where Ramone said that their data showed most people were terrible hitters? I could probably find the clip if I had time. Anyway, if that’s SDS view, it no wonder they’ve juiced offense so ridiculously in order to help all the terrible hitters enjoy the game more. The thing is, I was quite happy being a terrible hitter and half decent pitcher. I didn’t want my offense juiced, nor my pitching nerfed. I don’t care if I’m a terrible hitter in SDS opinion, if I’m a terrible hitter, then I won’t get many hits, that’s a me problem. Stop trying to force juiced offense on us in various ways like making pitches hang and giving every other card more power than Babe Ruth and just let games play out as they will. Really, it’s beyond a joke how much they try to make you feel like you’re in control of outcomes when you’re clearly not.
This, in a nutshell, is the entire problem with this game. SDS looks at data and decides how the stats should look, then adds all sorts of back end tweaks (“sliders”?) to create those outcomes.
For example, Just try getting through a conquest stronghold first inning with less than 12-15 pitches thrown by your starter. He could be Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, Maddux, whoever... he’s probably going to throw 12-15 pitches at least, because “derp, our data shows that is the average in an mlb game, so the cpu batters will take dots until 2-2”.
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@ComebackLogic said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@eatyum said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
Hitting doesn't need a nerf imo, we don't want to go back to mlb 19 the lineout. The quite simple fix is if I get good input on my pitch, it should go where I wanted it. I, like you, enjoy pitching more, but nerfing people who consistently get good input on swings is never the answer.
Of course that’s not the answer, the answer is the one solution SDS have strenuously avoided for fear of alienating the subsection of the player base who are terrible at the game but buy stubs in order to get better cards in the hopes of competing.
Let’s see, they’re happy to mess with pitch speeds, more than happy to mess with swing timing windows, although I’m going to credit them with not messing that up this year in a far too extreme manner as they have previously, they’re happy to mess with the success rate of good and perfect swings in order to dictate outcomes, they’re happy to try and give bad hitters more home runs on badly timed or placed swings........ But there’s a solution I advocated years ago that’s never been implemented and it makes a lot of sense.
Namely, reduce PCI size and area for contact. As you move up the difficulty settings, leave the pitch speeds consistent and timing windows, but demand greater accuracy with PCI placement by shrinking the area for contact. This will buff pitching by generating more swings and misses and stop those endless AB with a dozen foul balls on pitches way outside the zone that extend ABs undeservedly and negate the ability of the pitcher to fool the hitter into swinging at a bad pitch with bad timing. On the hitting side, it would be much tougher to hit, but you could reward perfect swings at a really high rate, due to the increased difficulty of actually getting that swing off. Therefore actually creating the feeling of rewarding good input. And yet - Never been tried as a stand-alone thing. Ever. Isn’t that just crazy? No need for laser beam pitch speeds, super narrow timing windows, every other pitcher having to have a sinker. Just make it harder to make contact. Doesn’t this sound super reasonable?
I agree with constant pitch speeds.
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@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Red_Ted_is_back said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Hikes83 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
I don’t know bud, I’m not a top 50 player or even top 100 but I still maintain a 3.40 or so ERA and I make it to the 800’s regularly and occasionally the 900’s when im hitting good. What I do is study my opponents through the game. I usually give up the majority of my runs in the first few innings. Once I have seen their tendencies I make my adjustments and usually pitch pretty well. Another thing is I never give in. Regardless of the count. You will not get a fastball down the middle. So I tend to walk more people than normal.
According to many here, that’s impossible... the forces fastballs down the middle apparently
Sorry, can’t say that I have had that issue and I’ve played the game since day 1. When I hang a pitch I’m usually at fault for doing it by missing the spot I was aiming for.
I was a firm believer in this logic too, but changed my mind, and this:
MLB The Show 20 random pitching outcomes https://youtu.be/7lpWBHqyjLE
was the tipping point. I know it’s RTTS training (so really it should actually be less random) and my secondary is a curveball but it sums up the issue of pitching input needing to be way more a factor than it is.
You’re using metered pitching input. That by its nature is not accurate. And you’re not taking into account that pitchers attributes. My guess is that pitcher doesn’t have 100+ control so using that input is going to exacerbate the issue. Like I’ve said, I make the mistakes not the game (using the input that gives me the most control over my pitches which is pure analog).
i find meter to be just perfect - i never would use analog or god forbid pulse - yet some people love it and it works well @eatyum for example
If you’re using metered pitching than you’re asking to hang pitches. With pure analog you have total control over the pitch. It’s far and away the superior option when it come to pitching in this game. It’s ultimately up to you what you use but if you’re trying to improve you’re pitching command than analog is definitely the way to go.
im around 65-20 in RS this year with an ERA of 2.19 last i checked - meter is just fine on its own, analog is nonsense for me with hanging pitches galore
Surprised you use meter as you are a good pitcher and a lot of true believers use analog. Analog might be better, but I’ve never gotten the hang of it so I use meter as well. I have an ERA of 3.44 through 532 games (though this season has been a struggle) and it seems to work for me.
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@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Red_Ted_is_back said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Hikes83 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
I don’t know bud, I’m not a top 50 player or even top 100 but I still maintain a 3.40 or so ERA and I make it to the 800’s regularly and occasionally the 900’s when im hitting good. What I do is study my opponents through the game. I usually give up the majority of my runs in the first few innings. Once I have seen their tendencies I make my adjustments and usually pitch pretty well. Another thing is I never give in. Regardless of the count. You will not get a fastball down the middle. So I tend to walk more people than normal.
According to many here, that’s impossible... the forces fastballs down the middle apparently
Sorry, can’t say that I have had that issue and I’ve played the game since day 1. When I hang a pitch I’m usually at fault for doing it by missing the spot I was aiming for.
I was a firm believer in this logic too, but changed my mind, and this:
MLB The Show 20 random pitching outcomes https://youtu.be/7lpWBHqyjLE
was the tipping point. I know it’s RTTS training (so really it should actually be less random) and my secondary is a curveball but it sums up the issue of pitching input needing to be way more a factor than it is.
You’re using metered pitching input. That by its nature is not accurate. And you’re not taking into account that pitchers attributes. My guess is that pitcher doesn’t have 100+ control so using that input is going to exacerbate the issue. Like I’ve said, I make the mistakes not the game (using the input that gives me the most control over my pitches which is pure analog).
i find meter to be just perfect - i never would use analog or god forbid pulse - yet some people love it and it works well @eatyum for example
If you’re using metered pitching than you’re asking to hang pitches. With pure analog you have total control over the pitch. It’s far and away the superior option when it come to pitching in this game. It’s ultimately up to you what you use but if you’re trying to improve you’re pitching command than analog is definitely the way to go.
im around 65-20 in RS this year with an ERA of 2.19 last i checked - meter is just fine on its own, analog is nonsense for me with hanging pitches galore
To each his own, I’m just pointing out that if you want total control over your pitches the only pitching input that allows you to achieve this is pure analog. Now with that being said, if you make a mistake using pure analog the penalty is far greater, such as pitches drifting. So getting it right the first time takes on much higher importance.
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Red_Ted_is_back said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Hikes83 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
I don’t know bud, I’m not a top 50 player or even top 100 but I still maintain a 3.40 or so ERA and I make it to the 800’s regularly and occasionally the 900’s when im hitting good. What I do is study my opponents through the game. I usually give up the majority of my runs in the first few innings. Once I have seen their tendencies I make my adjustments and usually pitch pretty well. Another thing is I never give in. Regardless of the count. You will not get a fastball down the middle. So I tend to walk more people than normal.
According to many here, that’s impossible... the forces fastballs down the middle apparently
Sorry, can’t say that I have had that issue and I’ve played the game since day 1. When I hang a pitch I’m usually at fault for doing it by missing the spot I was aiming for.
I was a firm believer in this logic too, but changed my mind, and this:
MLB The Show 20 random pitching outcomes https://youtu.be/7lpWBHqyjLE
was the tipping point. I know it’s RTTS training (so really it should actually be less random) and my secondary is a curveball but it sums up the issue of pitching input needing to be way more a factor than it is.
You’re using metered pitching input. That by its nature is not accurate. And you’re not taking into account that pitchers attributes. My guess is that pitcher doesn’t have 100+ control so using that input is going to exacerbate the issue. Like I’ve said, I make the mistakes not the game (using the input that gives me the most control over my pitches which is pure analog).
i find meter to be just perfect - i never would use analog or god forbid pulse - yet some people love it and it works well @eatyum for example
If you’re using metered pitching than you’re asking to hang pitches. With pure analog you have total control over the pitch. It’s far and away the superior option when it come to pitching in this game. It’s ultimately up to you what you use but if you’re trying to improve you’re pitching command than analog is definitely the way to go.
im around 65-20 in RS this year with an ERA of 2.19 last i checked - meter is just fine on its own, analog is nonsense for me with hanging pitches galore
To each his own, I’m just pointing out that if you want total control over your pitches the only pitching input that allows you to achieve this is pure analog. Now with that being said, if you make a mistake using pure analog the penalty is far greater, such as pitches drifting. So getting it right the first time takes on much higher importance.
im simply trying to say that between you, myself and Eatyum, we all use 3 completely different pitching methods comfortably
what you said in analog relates the same way to the meter throwing for me - you have to be precise with the meter or its hanging
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@MarinerMatt01 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Red_Ted_is_back said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Hikes83 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
I don’t know bud, I’m not a top 50 player or even top 100 but I still maintain a 3.40 or so ERA and I make it to the 800’s regularly and occasionally the 900’s when im hitting good. What I do is study my opponents through the game. I usually give up the majority of my runs in the first few innings. Once I have seen their tendencies I make my adjustments and usually pitch pretty well. Another thing is I never give in. Regardless of the count. You will not get a fastball down the middle. So I tend to walk more people than normal.
According to many here, that’s impossible... the forces fastballs down the middle apparently
Sorry, can’t say that I have had that issue and I’ve played the game since day 1. When I hang a pitch I’m usually at fault for doing it by missing the spot I was aiming for.
I was a firm believer in this logic too, but changed my mind, and this:
MLB The Show 20 random pitching outcomes https://youtu.be/7lpWBHqyjLE
was the tipping point. I know it’s RTTS training (so really it should actually be less random) and my secondary is a curveball but it sums up the issue of pitching input needing to be way more a factor than it is.
You’re using metered pitching input. That by its nature is not accurate. And you’re not taking into account that pitchers attributes. My guess is that pitcher doesn’t have 100+ control so using that input is going to exacerbate the issue. Like I’ve said, I make the mistakes not the game (using the input that gives me the most control over my pitches which is pure analog).
i find meter to be just perfect - i never would use analog or god forbid pulse - yet some people love it and it works well @eatyum for example
If you’re using metered pitching than you’re asking to hang pitches. With pure analog you have total control over the pitch. It’s far and away the superior option when it come to pitching in this game. It’s ultimately up to you what you use but if you’re trying to improve you’re pitching command than analog is definitely the way to go.
im around 65-20 in RS this year with an ERA of 2.19 last i checked - meter is just fine on its own, analog is nonsense for me with hanging pitches galore
Surprised you use meter as you are a good pitcher and a lot of true believers use analog. Analog might be better, but I’ve never gotten the hang of it so I use meter as well. I have an ERA of 3.44 through 532 games (though this season has been a struggle) and it seems to work for me.
in this thread, we have guys here who use all different pitching methods - meter is amazing, ive used this way of playing games since Hot Shots Golf in PS2 !!!!
i like your posts and wish you the best pal - thank you too for your kind words too
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@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@eatyum said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Red_Ted_is_back said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Hikes83 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
I don’t know bud, I’m not a top 50 player or even top 100 but I still maintain a 3.40 or so ERA and I make it to the 800’s regularly and occasionally the 900’s when im hitting good. What I do is study my opponents through the game. I usually give up the majority of my runs in the first few innings. Once I have seen their tendencies I make my adjustments and usually pitch pretty well. Another thing is I never give in. Regardless of the count. You will not get a fastball down the middle. So I tend to walk more people than normal.
According to many here, that’s impossible... the forces fastballs down the middle apparently
Sorry, can’t say that I have had that issue and I’ve played the game since day 1. When I hang a pitch I’m usually at fault for doing it by missing the spot I was aiming for.
I was a firm believer in this logic too, but changed my mind, and this:
MLB The Show 20 random pitching outcomes https://youtu.be/7lpWBHqyjLE
was the tipping point. I know it’s RTTS training (so really it should actually be less random) and my secondary is a curveball but it sums up the issue of pitching input needing to be way more a factor than it is.
You’re using metered pitching input. That by its nature is not accurate. And you’re not taking into account that pitchers attributes. My guess is that pitcher doesn’t have 100+ control so using that input is going to exacerbate the issue. Like I’ve said, I make the mistakes not the game (using the input that gives me the most control over my pitches which is pure analog).
i find meter to be just perfect - i never would use analog or god forbid pulse - yet some people love it and it works well @eatyum for example
I don't use meter, I use pulse
i use meter, you use pulse
I use pulse too, and very well. My favorite of all the options this year by far
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@TheHungryHole said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Red_Ted_is_back said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@Hikes83 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
I don’t know bud, I’m not a top 50 player or even top 100 but I still maintain a 3.40 or so ERA and I make it to the 800’s regularly and occasionally the 900’s when im hitting good. What I do is study my opponents through the game. I usually give up the majority of my runs in the first few innings. Once I have seen their tendencies I make my adjustments and usually pitch pretty well. Another thing is I never give in. Regardless of the count. You will not get a fastball down the middle. So I tend to walk more people than normal.
According to many here, that’s impossible... the forces fastballs down the middle apparently
Sorry, can’t say that I have had that issue and I’ve played the game since day 1. When I hang a pitch I’m usually at fault for doing it by missing the spot I was aiming for.
I was a firm believer in this logic too, but changed my mind, and this:
MLB The Show 20 random pitching outcomes https://youtu.be/7lpWBHqyjLE
was the tipping point. I know it’s RTTS training (so really it should actually be less random) and my secondary is a curveball but it sums up the issue of pitching input needing to be way more a factor than it is.
You’re using metered pitching input. That by its nature is not accurate. And you’re not taking into account that pitchers attributes. My guess is that pitcher doesn’t have 100+ control so using that input is going to exacerbate the issue. Like I’ve said, I make the mistakes not the game (using the input that gives me the most control over my pitches which is pure analog).
i find meter to be just perfect - i never would use analog or god forbid pulse - yet some people love it and it works well @eatyum for example
If you’re using metered pitching than you’re asking to hang pitches. With pure analog you have total control over the pitch. It’s far and away the superior option when it come to pitching in this game. It’s ultimately up to you what you use but if you’re trying to improve you’re pitching command than analog is definitely the way to go.
im around 65-20 in RS this year with an ERA of 2.19 last i checked - meter is just fine on its own, analog is nonsense for me with hanging pitches galore
To each his own, I’m just pointing out that if you want total control over your pitches the only pitching input that allows you to achieve this is pure analog. Now with that being said, if you make a mistake using pure analog the penalty is far greater, such as pitches drifting. So getting it right the first time takes on much higher importance.
Or u can hit the bar and hoop perfectly and have the pitch go nowhere near where u wanted it anyway
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@MarinerMatt01 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@OreoRockstar said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@MarinerMatt01 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
Congratulations on your success mashing the ball. However, any baseball video game where the top players all have ERAs in the 6s and 7s is horribly out of balance.
I agree, they need to make hitting on Legend much more difficult for these crazies.....
Like you said in a post a few days ago, there are just way too many homeruns in this game right now. I might have exaggerated a bit when I said “all” top players have ERAs in the 6s and 7s, but in 2020 the average MLB era was 4.44. I have to get into the 60s of the RS rankings before I find a player below that and into the 80s before I find a sub 4 ERA. Hitting as been too OP, especially lately and the game has gone into arcade territory, which is ok I guess if that’s what you’re into, but some of us that like to pitch and like the simulated aspects of this game are frustrated.
don't forget that the phillies bullpen is included in that, so it should be a little bit lower than that
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@KaptinKrunch00 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@MarinerMatt01 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@OreoRockstar said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
@MarinerMatt01 said in To all the players who say that people who complain about the game need to “git gud”:
Congratulations on your success mashing the ball. However, any baseball video game where the top players all have ERAs in the 6s and 7s is horribly out of balance.
I agree, they need to make hitting on Legend much more difficult for these crazies.....
Like you said in a post a few days ago, there are just way too many homeruns in this game right now. I might have exaggerated a bit when I said “all” top players have ERAs in the 6s and 7s, but in 2020 the average MLB era was 4.44. I have to get into the 60s of the RS rankings before I find a player below that and into the 80s before I find a sub 4 ERA. Hitting as been too OP, especially lately and the game has gone into arcade territory, which is ok I guess if that’s what you’re into, but some of us that like to pitch and like the simulated aspects of this game are frustrated.
don't forget that the phillies bullpen is included in that, so it should be a little bit lower than that
Yeah the Boston Red Sucks also played baseball this season.
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