If it wasn't for the auto-shift
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@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
Not trying to be smart but it seems like it’s working no?
I understand your point is that it’s not user enabled. But when I used to keep the shift one, I would pitch to induce balls into the shift. I’m sure that’s what some people do
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@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
Not trying to be smart but it seems like it’s working no?
I understand your point is that it’s not user enabled. But when I used to keep the shift one, I would pitch to induce balls into the shift. I’m sure that’s what some people do
I have no problems with the shift in general. If you put on a shift on me MANUALLY 27 times and all my 27 outs will be balls hit into the shift, you won't hear me say a word. I might actually give you credit for doing so. The fact that it's turned on by default for everyone is just not right. Don't get me wrong, I can swing late and get cheesy late swing doubles against the shift. I just don't enjoy doing that, because it goes against the principles of having good at bats. The only good at bat when going oppo against the shift is when the ball is pitched to the outer side of the plate. Other than that a good at bat is having good timing or pulling a ball slightly early on the inside part of the plate, not pushing a ball the other way with an intentional late swing.
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I'd be fine with removal of auto-shift by default if there was a giant red popup that noted X card as being a pull hitter.
Right now I believe you'd have to check the quirks of each batter and likely multiple times/game because people would forget who was and wasn't. I'm definitely not down for that nonsense.
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@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
Not trying to be smart but it seems like it’s working no?
I understand your point is that it’s not user enabled. But when I used to keep the shift one, I would pitch to induce balls into the shift. I’m sure that’s what some people do
I have no problems with the shift in general. If you put on a shift on me MANUALLY 27 times and all my 27 outs will be balls hit into the shift, you won't hear me say a word. I might actually give you credit for doing so. The fact that it's turned on by default for everyone is just not right. Don't get me wrong, I can swing late and get cheesy late swing doubles against the shift. I just don't enjoy doing that, because it goes against the principles of having good at bats. A good at bat is having good timing or pulling a ball slightly early on the inside part of the plate, not pushing a ball the other way with an intentional late swing.
I slightly disagree with that.. a good at bat is when you hit a double against the shift with an intentional late swing to beat the shift
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@flamexJD20 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
Not trying to be smart but it seems like it’s working no?
I understand your point is that it’s not user enabled. But when I used to keep the shift one, I would pitch to induce balls into the shift. I’m sure that’s what some people do
I have no problems with the shift in general. If you put on a shift on me MANUALLY 27 times and all my 27 outs will be balls hit into the shift, you won't hear me say a word. I might actually give you credit for doing so. The fact that it's turned on by default for everyone is just not right. Don't get me wrong, I can swing late and get cheesy late swing doubles against the shift. I just don't enjoy doing that, because it goes against the principles of having good at bats. A good at bat is having good timing or pulling a ball slightly early on the inside part of the plate, not pushing a ball the other way with an intentional late swing.
I slightly disagree with that.. a good at bat is when you hit a double against the shift with an intentional late swing to beat the shift
I disagree with you. That's the same thing as saying I had a good at bat on a late jammed blooper for an RBI over the 3B head. Just because you got a result doesn't mean you had a good at bat.
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@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
Not trying to be smart but it seems like it’s working no?
I understand your point is that it’s not user enabled. But when I used to keep the shift one, I would pitch to induce balls into the shift. I’m sure that’s what some people do
I have no problems with the shift in general. If you put on a shift on me MANUALLY 27 times and all my 27 outs will be balls hit into the shift, you won't hear me say a word. I might actually give you credit for doing so. The fact that it's turned on by default for everyone is just not right. Don't get me wrong, I can swing late and get cheesy late swing doubles against the shift. I just don't enjoy doing that, because it goes against the principles of having good at bats. A good at bat is having good timing or pulling a ball slightly early on the inside part of the plate, not pushing a ball the other way with an intentional late swing.
That's exactly what a good AB is. Doing the opposite of what the opposing team is attempting to prevent or guard against. Choking up on a 2 strike count, fouling off a few balls and then hitting a hit (Kirk Gibson ring a bell). I thought Gallo bunting a base hit against the shift as being an AWESOME AB. The chess match between him and Snell that game was great. We all talk about those things as being great AB's in real life.
Maybe they dont translate into a video game but I dont see any difference to your version of a good AB and some of my examples above.
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I turned the shift off a couple days after launch because people kept swinging late & having great success putting it right where the shift wasn’t. The only time I change it is if someone is a bunter.
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@aaronjw76 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@Hikes83 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
Not trying to be smart but it seems like it’s working no?
I understand your point is that it’s not user enabled. But when I used to keep the shift one, I would pitch to induce balls into the shift. I’m sure that’s what some people do
I have no problems with the shift in general. If you put on a shift on me MANUALLY 27 times and all my 27 outs will be balls hit into the shift, you won't hear me say a word. I might actually give you credit for doing so. The fact that it's turned on by default for everyone is just not right. Don't get me wrong, I can swing late and get cheesy late swing doubles against the shift. I just don't enjoy doing that, because it goes against the principles of having good at bats. A good at bat is having good timing or pulling a ball slightly early on the inside part of the plate, not pushing a ball the other way with an intentional late swing.
That's exactly what a good AB is. Doing the opposite of what the opposing team is attempting to prevent or guard against. Choking up on a 2 strike count, fouling off a few balls and then hitting a hit (Kirk Gibson ring a bell). I thought Gallo bunting a base hit against the shift as being an AWESOME AB. The chess match between him and Snell that game was great. We all talk about those things as being great AB's in real life.
Maybe they dont translate into a video game but I dont see any difference to your version of a good AB and some of my examples above.
The reason why it's not a good at bat is simple:
This game is about muscle memory and repetition. Having good timing on pitches, especially in the higher tiers, separates the good players from the average players. It's a craft. Sometimes you can do everything right during your at bat and it will still be an out. Like a lineout, flyout, or hitting into a shift. You did not get a result, but you did have a good at bat. Having good at bats consistently will eventually reward you one way or another.Anything else, swinging late/jammed or early/pulled off are just bad at bats no matter how you put it. You might get rewarded every now and then, but if this is someone's approach in this game I guarantee you'll be stuck on a certain level forever.
Bunting against the shift I can live with. That's a heads up play. Make the guy pay for having the shift on.
Either way, the narrative of this thread is being changed. I just wanted to point out that auto shift is a problem and I wish everyone would have to manage it manually. How you beat the shift, I don't really care. I'll have my approach and you'll have yours.
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@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
I would be batting .450 or higher. That's not even an exaggeration. I absolutely hate the fact that the auto-shift is turned on by default. Using a shift, or not, is a strategic decision and should be user controlled at all times.
If you lack the presence of mind to put on a shift in a specific situation, or if you're simply too lazy to do the defensive adjustments, I feel like you should be burned by those balls through the infield holes every single time. But now, the game bails you out by putting an auto-shift on basically 80% of the players in the game, making those well hit pulled balls into the shift ot lasers up the middle automatic outs. Those are great at bats with great swings being outs while my opponent did absolutely nothing for it. Another fine example of lowering the skill gap.
Agreed. They do plenty to lessen the gap and you already know how. This is just one of the more glaring details that user doesn't have full control in this game. By full control not only referring to input but as you pointed out, strategic decisions made on the field.
This hand holding should honestly not be there in ranked.
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@Yankee_Nation said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
I turned the shift off a couple days after launch because people kept swinging late & having great success putting it right where the shift wasn’t. The only time I change it is if someone is a bunter.
Same, I turned it off too. If I notice my opponent tends to swing early a lot, I'll put on a shift manually when necessary.
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Great post OP. I would be hitting close to 400 with rizzo if that was the case. I hit a hard liner to the gap where the shift is conveniently placed most of the time lol. I would love the added strategy factor
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It would be cool if there were a strategy setting where you could choose what defensive settings you want to use for different situations.
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So you want your opponent to pause 30+ times a game to set his defense? I'll kindly not have that every game.
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@foge011 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
So you want your opponent to pause 30+ times a game to set his defense? I'll kindly not have that every game.
You can actually do it at the beginning of the game for every batter in the line up, or choose to do it on the go. And I really don't mind, those adjustments just take a couple of seconds. Reality is most people don't even know how to set everything properly because the auto-shift does everything for them and they've been relying on the game to do it for them for years.
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@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@foge011 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
So you want your opponent to pause 30+ times a game to set his defense? I'll kindly not have that every game.
You can actually do it at the beginning of the game for every batter in the line up, or choose to do it on the go. And I really don't mind, those adjustments just take a couple of seconds. Reality is most people don't even know how to set everything properly because the auto-shift does everything for them and they've been relying on the game to do it for them for years.
A couple seconds 27 times or more could add like 20 minutes to a game
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@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
I would be batting .450 or higher. That's not even an exaggeration. I absolutely hate the fact that the auto-shift is turned on by default. Using a shift, or not, is a strategic decision and should be user controlled at all times.
If you lack the presence of mind to put on a shift in a specific situation, or if you're simply too lazy to do the defensive adjustments, I feel like you should be burned by those balls through the infield holes every single time. But now, the game bails you out by putting an auto-shift on basically 80% of the players in the game, making those well hit pulled balls into the shift ot lasers up the middle automatic outs. Those are great at bats with great swings being outs while my opponent did absolutely nothing for it. Another fine example of lowering the skill gap.
No doubt. I’ve been preaching this for a while now. The game shouldn’t hold your hand and apply the shift for you. If you have the presence of mind, based off of experience from that particular batter and you apply the shift, I’m all about it. Otherwise, leave it alone.
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@squishiesgirl said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@foge011 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
So you want your opponent to pause 30+ times a game to set his defense? I'll kindly not have that every game.
You can actually do it at the beginning of the game for every batter in the line up, or choose to do it on the go. And I really don't mind, those adjustments just take a couple of seconds. Reality is most people don't even know how to set everything properly because the auto-shift does everything for them and they've been relying on the game to do it for them for years.
A couple seconds 27 times or more could add like 20 minutes to a game
couple seconds × 27 = 54 Seconds
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@flamexJD20 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@squishiesgirl said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@foge011 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
So you want your opponent to pause 30+ times a game to set his defense? I'll kindly not have that every game.
You can actually do it at the beginning of the game for every batter in the line up, or choose to do it on the go. And I really don't mind, those adjustments just take a couple of seconds. Reality is most people don't even know how to set everything properly because the auto-shift does everything for them and they've been relying on the game to do it for them for years.
A couple seconds 27 times or more could add like 20 minutes to a game
couple seconds × 27 = 54 Seconds
In what math universe does that add up to 20 minutesLol oh ok so it takes only 2 seconds to do it?
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@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
I would be batting .450 or higher. That's not even an exaggeration. I absolutely hate the fact that the auto-shift is turned on by default. Using a shift, or not, is a strategic decision and should be user controlled at all times.
If you lack the presence of mind to put on a shift in a specific situation, or if you're simply too lazy to do the defensive adjustments, I feel like you should be burned by those balls through the infield holes every single time. But now, the game bails you out by putting an auto-shift on basically 80% of the players in the game, making those well hit pulled balls into the shift ot lasers up the middle automatic outs. Those are great at bats with great swings being outs while my opponent did absolutely nothing for it. Another fine example of lowering the skill gap.
This just solidifies my position to all those trolls who simply say "turn off auto shift" if you want to avoid lefties with single-digit speed cheesing the bunt. If I do that then every good hit from there on out will make it through the gap where the shift would have been.
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@flamexJD20 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@squishiesgirl said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@raesONE said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
@foge011 said in If it wasn't for the auto-shift:
So you want your opponent to pause 30+ times a game to set his defense? I'll kindly not have that every game.
You can actually do it at the beginning of the game for every batter in the line up, or choose to do it on the go. And I really don't mind, those adjustments just take a couple of seconds. Reality is most people don't even know how to set everything properly because the auto-shift does everything for them and they've been relying on the game to do it for them for years.
A couple seconds 27 times or more could add like 20 minutes to a game
couple seconds × 27 = 54 Seconds
In what math universe does that add up to 20 minutesI hope you realize a couple seconds was hyperbole
