My advice to stadium creator fans like myself
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@Sarge1387_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
@Suel21_MLBTS said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
It had to be fixed for online play. You could move the fences into fair territory and make an extremely toxic field. What would be great, is to see is something similar to how the outfield wall templates work for foul territory.
See to me, that's the PERFECT middle ground. Just give us foul territory templates...to get around the licensing issues (If there were any) just use the templates from the their own minor league parks like Franco, Bayfront, RedRocks etc. I'd be 100% happy with that.
We haven't been unreasonable with what we're looking for, the creators are the only ones offering up compromises to those asks as well.
Given the problems at launch with the vault I'm not sure they have a developer assigned full time to stadiums. I understand for those who love to build multiple stadiums why that's frustrating. There are issues in manage mode that have gone on for years. It's frustrating but I just accept it for what it is.
Bottom line it's a business and they spend developer time in the areas that most people use. DD, RTTS, micro transactions.
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@Suel21_MLBTS said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
It had to be fixed for online play. You could move the fences into fair territory and make an extremely toxic field. What would be great, is to see is something similar to how the outfield wall templates work for foul territory.
Sue,
There is already in Stadium Creator existing code that invokes to prohibit a stadium's use in online games whenever a single outfield wall panel is moved. When you speak of SDS having been forced to do something, truthfully, they were not forced to do anything. They could have kept custom stadiums out of online play until they upgraded SC. They could have taken that existing wall code and applied it equally to all wall panels, and then facilitated move of any of the wall panels. If you move one panel, vice use an existing wall template (which would be extended to include the default baseline and backstop walls), then that stadium cannot be used in online play.
I realize you meant well in your post. But, we need to reconsider making posts supporting SDS. They don't deserve support. I worked with SDS privately to advise them of their options, and urged them to make the choice to allow people to fully edit all wall panels (outfield, baseline, and backstop). But, in return for that, to render the stadium ineligible for online play.
What SDS did was hamfisted as well as infuriating. If someone desires to be malicious, said person merely has to bypass installing Update #15 (or any future update), and use the wall glitch to put stadiums in the vault that make online play horrible, and sit back and watch the "fun" he created. This is why weeks ago, I alerted SDS privately to the concern -- just to ensure such nefarious people couldn't get what they wanted.
But, did SDS take our honest advice? Nope, they did it their way. They desire control more than making customers happy, and until that rancid mindset is changed at SDS, we customers are wasting our time trying to convince them to meet us halfway.
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I maybe wrong, but if you don't install the updates, then you can't access the online features.
This is what I remember, but could be wrong, unless things have changed.
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@sullivanspring_MLBTS said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
@Sarge1387_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
@Suel21_MLBTS said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
It had to be fixed for online play. You could move the fences into fair territory and make an extremely toxic field. What would be great, is to see is something similar to how the outfield wall templates work for foul territory.
See to me, that's the PERFECT middle ground. Just give us foul territory templates...to get around the licensing issues (If there were any) just use the templates from the their own minor league parks like Franco, Bayfront, RedRocks etc. I'd be 100% happy with that.
We haven't been unreasonable with what we're looking for, the creators are the only ones offering up compromises to those asks as well.
Given the problems at launch with the vault I'm not sure they have a developer assigned full time to stadiums. I understand for those who love to build multiple stadiums why that's frustrating. There are issues in manage mode that have gone on for years. It's frustrating but I just accept it for what it is.
Bottom line it's a business and they spend developer time in the areas that most people use. DD, RTTS, micro transactions.
I'm convinced they don't have sufficient development assets devoted to Stadium Creator. However, if there are game modes that SDS truly don't wish to support, then they should be abolished in the game. No game mode will keep customers happy if it is allowed to grow stale or even worse as with SC this year, endure horrible bugs that prevent basic operation (the vault bug).
If SDS doesn't have the resources to properly manage Stadium Creator, Logo Creator, or Custom Uniforms, then SDS should abolish all of them immediately. Then, accept the loss of customers who enjoyed these game modes. If they are correct that these customer customization modes are truly trivial niche modes, then their basic business won't suffer. So, make that call. I think these modes enjoy more support than niche, but at the same time, years of SDS neglect has eroded the customer base that existed previously.
These latest hamfisted actions have eroded that customer base further still.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
@sullivanspring_MLBTS said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
@Sarge1387_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
@Suel21_MLBTS said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
It had to be fixed for online play. You could move the fences into fair territory and make an extremely toxic field. What would be great, is to see is something similar to how the outfield wall templates work for foul territory.
See to me, that's the PERFECT middle ground. Just give us foul territory templates...to get around the licensing issues (If there were any) just use the templates from the their own minor league parks like Franco, Bayfront, RedRocks etc. I'd be 100% happy with that.
We haven't been unreasonable with what we're looking for, the creators are the only ones offering up compromises to those asks as well.
Given the problems at launch with the vault I'm not sure they have a developer assigned full time to stadiums. I understand for those who love to build multiple stadiums why that's frustrating. There are issues in manage mode that have gone on for years. It's frustrating but I just accept it for what it is.
Bottom line it's a business and they spend developer time in the areas that most people use. DD, RTTS, micro transactions.
I'm convinced they don't have sufficient development assets devoted to Stadium Creator. However, if there are game modes that SDS truly don't wish to support, then they should be abolished in the game. No game mode will keep customers happy if it is allowed to grow stale or even worse as with SC this year, endure horrible bugs that prevent basic operation (the vault bug).
If SDS doesn't have the resources to properly manage Stadium Creator, Logo Creator, or Custom Uniforms, then SDS should abolish all of them immediately. Then, accept the loss of customers who enjoyed these game modes. If they are correct that these customer customization modes are truly trivial niche modes, then their basic business won't suffer. So, make that call. I think these modes enjoy more support than niche, but at the same time, years of SDS neglect has eroded the customer base that existed previously.
These latest hamfisted actions have eroded that customer base further still.
It would be an unnecessary loss of revenue to do that. As a franchise user I don't understand why they spent developer time on March to October and storylines. Those developer hours could be better spent improving franchise and possibly stadiums. Look at the front page. Storylines has 7 topics. MTO 300. Franchise 1,000+
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Those are some pretty hot takes. So instead of a quick fix and letting us still use the creator, they should've just deleted stadium creator all together so no one could use it? Like @NiteLordz_PSN said, if you don't update the game, you can't use the online features. Also, disabling created stadiums online until there's a fix? They did that once this year and everyone got upset so they should've done it again? I'm disappointed there hasn't been anything done this year with SC but you said it yourself, it's a small niche, DD makes them the money, and they probably don't have the staff to keep up with it or even look at it. Doesn't mean they should just get rid of it completely since there are people that enjoy it.
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@Suel-21_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
Those are some pretty hot takes. So instead of a quick fix and letting us still use the creator, they should've just deleted stadium creator all together so no one could use it? Like @NiteLordz_PSN said, if you don't update the game, you can't use the online features. Also, disabling created stadiums online until there's a fix? They did that once this year and everyone got upset so they should've done it again? I'm disappointed there hasn't been anything done this year with SC but you said it yourself, it's a small niche, DD makes them the money, and they probably don't have the staff to keep up with it or even look at it. Doesn't mean they should just get rid of it completely since there are people that enjoy it.
SDS has ensured there is nothing left but hot takes. SDS has totally mismanaged Stadium Creator, Logo Editor, and the Custom Uniforms, and has mismanaged them for years. There was a line in a Brad Pitt baseball movie where Pitt's character asked, "Would you rather be shot in the knee or the head?" I'll tone it down myself. Would you rather be shot dead or starved to death?
Long term malice of inaction is far more cruel to customers than is a quick decision to abolish something that the company who made it determines they can no longer support. Except the actual situation is uglier than even that. SDS did devote assets this year to SC twice -- once to fix the bug MLB 25 caused with vault operation, and a second time trying to stop customers from moving the baseline and backstop walls. They could have devoted the same resources to link movement of baseline and backstop walls to the same code that prevents online use of custom stadiums when the outfield wall panels are moved.
What we have with SC is the ultimate bait and switch job and it stinks. Just enough attention to SC to whet appetites and then neglect or even worse deliberate degradation to destroy whatever goodwill ever developed. Yep, it's a hot mess alright. But, it has been SDS that made this a hot mess.
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Then turn the game off. But don't say just give it the axe because you're upset. Let others enjoy using what we have. Hopefully we'll get updates in the future, who knows. But to say to just remove everything is ridiculous.
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@Suel-21_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
Then turn the game off. But don't say just give it the axe because you're upset. Let others enjoy using what we have. Hopefully we'll get updates in the future, who knows. But to say to just remove everything is ridiculous.
You have a hard time with reality. I'm not the one ignoring the mode. You seem emotionally attached to defending SDS even after they fumbled a gift. This has nothing to do with me being angry at SDS. It has everything to do with SDS engaging in malicious actions designed to stymie customer happiness.
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This is genuinely unhinged lmao
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL
Tell me you don't get it without telling me you don't get it lol -
@Suel-21_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:
@PriorFir4383355_XBL
Tell me you don't get it without telling me you don't get it lolWhat I get is that you created your account here and posted four total times in this entire community forum-- all a day ago -- and all four of your posts have essentially defended SDS's actions, and attempted to call out angry customers who don't like having available options taken away from them, especially when the reason offered by SDS for doing so is nonsensical.
Some of us here have worked professionally with SDS over four years to try to convince SDS to devote relatively minimal attention to Stadium Creator in ways that would be easy to implement, but have a profoundly positive impact on customer satisfaction. But, SDS refused to do any of it. Then a few months ago we learn that one of these earnest requests has been part of the SC code the whole time but SDS chose to lock it out by layering additional code into SC to block its use.
Then, when that is revealed, vice let customers have that option in return for simply keeping stadiums so modified off online play, by using the existing code for outfield walls, SDS instead seeks to bar the expanded customer utilization.
And all this seems to be just peachy fine with you!
Well, in your grand total of one day and four posts here, that's a mighty interesting conclusion to defend SDS that you have embarked on.
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Touching grass saves lives
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I just wanna reiterate something I have said elsewhere. This is not some hidden feature from us. It was a bug. Moving outfield walls wasn't perfect. You can very easily get walls stuck, cause multiple visual glitches, and have gameplay cameras be affected by location of walls and props. To say it is a feature is to say SDS actually coded in edited walls that worked in normal gameplay. That is very, very far from the case here, and SDS had to patch it because of it.
