Do something SDS
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@The_Joneser said in Do something SDS:
@SuntLacrimae50 said in Do something SDS:
In other words, SDS has no real vision. It's just trying to keep the mob happy while monetizing.
How's that working for them?
You are salty about this, man
I actually do get where you're coming from, and I do agree that there should be more paths to stubs earned in-game... I just don't think they should be so plentiful that we don't have to make decisions as to which cards we keep. This is a me thing, for sure, but I like to approach it almost as if I'm making GM decisions about my team; if that shiny new CF looks like a card I'd like to have, then I might have to sell another card in my lineup to get it. But, then again, I've been an A's fan for nearly 45 years, so trying to put a team together with peanuts and found pennies feels like home.
Besides, keeping "the mob happy while monetizing" seems to be how the world works these days, and I don't begrudge any company from dipping their quill in that well, particularly when they're asked to constantly provide new content and make improvements throughout an entire release cycle after making a one-time sale. I mean, they need some degree of monetization to do that... I guess I'm okay with that; I think it's unreasonable to expect hundreds of hours of entertainment for $69.99.
I am.
And regarding the "everybody's doing it" argument, I guess.
But SDS WASN'T, to the degree that EA and 2K were. They balanced monetization with respect for the base, and this year it's the opposite.
Regarding last year, I actually respect what they tried to do. The first season was great, but the very concept was bound to have problems that weren't fixable, and those cringe card series just turned me off.
My main point was basically: audience capture. I would respect SDS more if they had a clear, compelling vision for DD instead of "responding to community feedback" all the time. To be fair, it'll take next year's game to see this play out, since this year is a course correction of sorts.
I love baseball and video games. This is really the last game I get excited about at launch, and it's a bitter pill to swallow.
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Outside of this forum nobody thinks they gameplay is good this year including most content creators
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@Dolenz64 said in Do something SDS:
@Jesus35 said in Do something SDS:
It’s crazy, the way they took the grind out the game, took cards and put them in packs at 40,000 stubs. And apart from this the hitting the pitching is horrible. I been playing this game since 2016 and this is by far the worst I have seen.
They are never going to get the right amount grind in the game because every player will have a different opinion of how much is too much or too little.
Thats why the answer (in my opinion) is to make grinds feel more optional.
Ranked track is the perfect example. 100 stars is the main goal, and last year I stopped at 100 stars every time.
This year I went to 150, not only because there was nothing else to do, but I was motivated by the fresh start pack and a nice chunk of other packs along the wayI think there were two big problems last year:
-People didnt think the cards were rewarding enough. How often was their a card in them that would make people's teams?
-The collection rewards were a different story, thus making all the programs feel mandatorySo the god squadders had to do content for cards they didnt want, and a lot of it
At the same time, a large portion of players liked the amount of content, and didnt mind doing it all. But nobody was particularly happy with the rewards most of the time
This is where all those stupid packs can actually help: Put them at the end of programs, make them grindy to get, and then people have a CHOICE: grind or stubs. Lots of people will still take the latter aproach, but feel less gross about it than they do now.
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@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
Outside of this forum nobody thinks they gameplay is good this year including most content creators
I think the gameplay is great. If I were on legend I might think differently, but like 99% of the playerbase I am not.
I do think, as a pulse pitcher, its worse than last year but its still great
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@Teak2112 said in Do something SDS:
@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
Outside of this forum nobody thinks they gameplay is good this year including most content creators
I think the gameplay is great. If I were on legend I might think differently, but like 99% of the playerbase I am not.
I do think, as a pulse pitcher, its worse than last year but its still great
To reiterate my comment outside of these forums most people don’t think the gameplay is good this year including content creators
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@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
To reiterate my comment outside of these forums most people don’t think the gameplay is good this year including content creators
I don't know why you would want to double down on that, sure.
I could say outside of these of these forums most people think Barry Bonds was not good without steroids.
Both statements make us look foolish
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@Teak2112 said in Do something SDS:
@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
To reiterate my comment outside of these forums most people don’t think the gameplay is good this year including content creators
I don't know why you would want to double down on that, sure.
I could say outside of these of these forums most people think Barry Bonds was not good without steroids.
Both statements make us look foolish
The hitting rewards too many bad swings, the defenders take bad jumps even with high fielding, pitchers hang too many pitches on good and perfect releases, content stinks,and the online is as lag tastic as ever. It’s not a good product I don’t know how people can claim otherwise
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@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
@Teak2112 said in Do something SDS:
@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
To reiterate my comment outside of these forums most people don’t think the gameplay is good this year including content creators
I don't know why you would want to double down on that, sure.
I could say outside of these of these forums most people think Barry Bonds was not good without steroids.
Both statements make us look foolish
The hitting rewards too many bad swings, the defenders take bad jumps even with high fielding, pitchers hang too many pitches on good and perfect releases, content stinks,and the online is as lag tastic as ever. It’s not a good product I don’t know how people can claim otherwise
I don't know how someone invests 168 hours of the last 3 weeks of their time, using a product that they say sucks?
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@BJDUBBYAH said in Do something SDS:
@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
@Teak2112 said in Do something SDS:
@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
To reiterate my comment outside of these forums most people don’t think the gameplay is good this year including content creators
I don't know why you would want to double down on that, sure.
I could say outside of these of these forums most people think Barry Bonds was not good without steroids.
Both statements make us look foolish
The hitting rewards too many bad swings, the defenders take bad jumps even with high fielding, pitchers hang too many pitches on good and perfect releases, content stinks,and the online is as lag tastic as ever. It’s not a good product I don’t know how people can claim otherwise
I don't know how someone invests 168 hours of the last 3 weeks of their time, using a product that they say sucks?
I leave my Xbox on 24/7 trust me I don’t invest that much time into this game lol
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@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
@BJDUBBYAH said in Do something SDS:
@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
@Teak2112 said in Do something SDS:
@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
To reiterate my comment outside of these forums most people don’t think the gameplay is good this year including content creators
I don't know why you would want to double down on that, sure.
I could say outside of these of these forums most people think Barry Bonds was not good without steroids.
Both statements make us look foolish
The hitting rewards too many bad swings, the defenders take bad jumps even with high fielding, pitchers hang too many pitches on good and perfect releases, content stinks,and the online is as lag tastic as ever. It’s not a good product I don’t know how people can claim otherwise
I don't know how someone invests 168 hours of the last 3 weeks of their time, using a product that they say sucks?
I leave my Xbox on 24/7 trust me I don’t invest that much time into this game lol
You go ahead and tell yourself that. BTW, that's 7 full days in game.
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Bj is also a famed white knight around here you can just ignore him he’s also a stalker. Also if I’ve had so much time on the game I’m that much more qualified to speak on the state of the game. Think before you type
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@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
Bj is also a famed white knight around here you can just ignore him he’s also a stalker. Also if I’ve had so much time on the game I’m that much more qualified to speak on the state of the game. Think before you type
I have well over a hundred hours as well, I enjoy the game though. You're investing hundreds of hours into something you claim to hate, and that comes off as insane.
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@BJDUBBYAH said in Do something SDS:
@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
Bj is also a famed white knight around here you can just ignore him he’s also a stalker. Also if I’ve had so much time on the game I’m that much more qualified to speak on the state of the game. Think before you type
I have well over a hundred hours as well, I enjoy the game though. You're investing hundreds of hours into something you claim to hate, and that comes off as insane.
No lurking on a forum 24/7 is insane but you know that already
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@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
@BJDUBBYAH said in Do something SDS:
@VioletNine9 said in Do something SDS:
Bj is also a famed white knight around here you can just ignore him he’s also a stalker. Also if I’ve had so much time on the game I’m that much more qualified to speak on the state of the game. Think before you type
I have well over a hundred hours as well, I enjoy the game though. You're investing hundreds of hours into something you claim to hate, and that comes off as insane.
No lurking on a forum 24/7 is insane but you know that already
7 days in game of a game you hate. Just think about that. 7 entire days of life. Doing something you hate.
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@The_Joneser said in Do something SDS:
@SuntLacrimae50 said in Do something SDS:
In other words, SDS has no real vision. It's just trying to keep the mob happy while monetizing.
How's that working for them?
You are salty about this, man
I actually do get where you're coming from, and I do agree that there should be more paths to stubs earned in-game... I just don't think they should be so plentiful that we don't have to make decisions as to which cards we keep. This is a me thing, for sure, but I like to approach it almost as if I'm making GM decisions about my team; if that shiny new CF looks like a card I'd like to have, then I might have to sell another card in my lineup to get it. But, then again, I've been an A's fan for nearly 45 years, so trying to put a team together with peanuts and found pennies feels like home.
Besides, keeping "the mob happy while monetizing" seems to be how the world works these days, and I don't begrudge any company from dipping their quill in that well, particularly when they're asked to constantly provide new content and make improvements throughout an entire release cycle after making a one-time sale. I mean, they need some degree of monetization to do that... I guess I'm okay with that; I think it's unreasonable to expect hundreds of hours of entertainment for $69.99.
Really? I have tons of games that I have played for hundreds of hours for less than 69.99. Try Balders Gate 3. Any Final Fanasy non-mmo game. SDS makes enough money on game sales alone to make a huge profit.
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Someone mentioned how bad fielding was on the forums. How Outfielders would drop easy fly balls. I figured this guy had bad outfielders, bc it never happened with me once,,,, until today.
In back to back Ranked Seasons games, Buxton and Dylan Crews both let the ball jump out of their glove when they were waiting for the ball. Those 2 of are both diamond caliber outfielders. The 1st one cost me 2 runs, the 2nd one cost me 3 runs as the next guy hit a oppo taco on a late swing....This shouldn't ever happen. I understand players make errors in rl, but errors that are beyond my control when I'm in perfect position to catch the ball just shouldn't happen.
Now, if I was running for the ball and got to the spot late, then I can understand some of those balls being dropped.
I've never once dropped a fly ball hit pretty much at me in Center when I played from t ball to college and semi pro.
Just wanted to throw that out there.
Oh and pitching accuracy is horrendous if u don't use Pinpoint or Analog while playing online at least 600+ rating...
Most of those guys actually know how to hit... Pitching accuracy needs to be better. Not off by 7+ inches on perfect and good releases... -
@GoozeFn Guys … I could refere to @TripleH-4481 but since he is very boring I answer to this.
If you try to read everything … I replied to a thread stating that game is worse than last year and I asked being specific.
I read the forum and watch lots of the creators. I do get the complaints … content/packs … is very bad. That is true, even in my opionion (and I work as far away from SDS as you can imagine ) …But: I do not think that the game is worse, so why should I say so? Because you guys cannot differentiate your criticism?
So … I try:
- Content is not good, it is not enough.
- Packs should also be „reachable“ via some content
- I am not in on every pack should be earnable (they will be later … like always), because I get that they want to make money. And, as I said: The best move as always is not to buy them.
- Too many foul balls (which could relate to the lower overalls)
- The mickey mouse stadiums that play really bad (shield woods, Capital Lane …) are still a problem. That is way worse than not having the stubs to buy specific players/packs because it affects each game
But:
- The power creep approach is awesome. That is what DD is all about. You take cards, they slowly get better and improve your team (or not). I am having lots more fun in 4 weeks than 23 all together.
- You guys pretend that you have to spend money to get stubs to buy packs. I do not get it. Nobody needs all the new cards, There is lots of stubs out there (clean your inventory
) … but I get that you will not every card when they release without spending real money (which you do not have to in the first place) - you can progress through every program playing the game you like to play. That is a big improvement. I do it a lot online.
That‘s just a few of them … But hey. I am old and smart enough to smile about the „Yoshi is …“-comments. Because they are not differentiated and precise enough so I should care.
Remember: Critiicsm is not an easy task. Stating bold and undifferenciated is easy. I think a lot of you guys are hanging (rightfully) on the pack-thing. That alone does not make the game „bad overall“.
Last one … specifically to the 1st post of this thread: If you compare 24 to 23 and pretend that 23 was overall much better, you cannot (imo) be any worse. 23 was a crime to DD in general. It was boring af and everybody here was on that boat … why should „the pack-thing alone“ alone make 24 worse?
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@YOSHI24
Glad I’m boring to you Yoshi. You are annoying and pretentious to me but we can agree to disagree when it comes to this game.
All in all I enjoyed 21 far more than every MLB game since because it was rewarding and allowed players to use their favorite players without buying ridiculously overpriced packs or waiting a month for the next program to drop.
That doesn’t make either of us right or wrong. Just 2 people with vastly different opinions. Based on public perception I’m guessing far more players would agree 21 was better than 24 but you can remain firmly in the vocal minority if you wish.
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@YOSHI24 said in Do something SDS:
@GoozeFn Guys … I could refere to @TripleH-4481 but since he is very boring I answer to this.
If you try to read everything … I replied to a thread stating that game is worse than last year and I asked being specific.
I read the forum and watch lots of the creators. I do get the complaints … content/packs … is very bad. That is true, even in my opionion (and I work as far away from SDS as you can imagine ) …But: I do not think that the game is worse, so why should I say so? Because you guys cannot differentiate your criticism?
So … I try:
- Content is not good, it is not enough.
- Packs should also be „reachable“ via some content
- I am not in on every pack should be earnable (they will be later … like always), because I get that they want to make money. And, as I said: The best move as always is not to buy them.
- Too many foul balls (which could relate to the lower overalls)
- The mickey mouse stadiums that play really bad (shield woods, Capital Lane …) are still a problem. That is way worse than not having the stubs to buy specific players/packs because it affects each game
But:
- The power creep approach is awesome. That is what DD is all about. You take cards, they slowly get better and improve your team (or not). I am having lots more fun in 4 weeks than 23 all together.
- You guys pretend that you have to spend money to get stubs to buy packs. I do not get it. Nobody needs all the new cards, There is lots of stubs out there (clean your inventory ) … but I get that you will not every card when they release without spending real money (which you do not have to in the first place)
- you can progress through every program playing the game you like to play. That is a big improvement. I do it a lot online.
That‘s just a few of them … But hey. I am old and smart enough to smile about the „Yoshi is …“-comments. Because they are not differentiated and precise enough so I should care.
Remember: Critiicsm is not an easy task. Stating bold and undifferenciated is easy. I think a lot of you guys are hanging (rightfully) on the pack-thing. That alone does not make the game „bad overall“.
Last one … specifically to the 1st post of this thread: If you compare 24 to 23 and pretend that 23 was overall much better, you cannot (imo) be any worse. 23 was a crime to DD in general. It was boring af and everybody here was on that boat … why should „the pack-thing alone“ alone make 24 worse?
I agree with your breakdown, generally. Gatekeeping stubs and xp is a huge problem, though, that you underacknowledge.
Also, just a friendly observation: your last paragraph is nothing if not the "bold and undifferentiated" bad criticism that you point out in the previous paragraph. It's kind of a hilarious juxtaposition.
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@SuntLacrimae50 Thanks. The last paragraph did reference to some specific bullet points stating that DD is fun again, because I can build my team slowly (which 23 did not have). I should have been more specific
EDIT: To the gatekeeping. I do not have an exact opinion on that but I do not understand what most of the people make with their stubs? I get the impression, that most of them buy packs and complain afterwards, that the results are bad. I could be wrong
