How is this lineup diversity thing working?
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@TheGoaler_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
I'm not a casual because I play 98% offline, bub.
I'm as hardcore a baseball person as anybody.
Don't even go there, putting people down if they play on All-Star.
Online play didn't start until 1999. I was playing Hockey, Baseball, and Football videogames before 1999, so I DONT NEED to prove myself against other humans!
You guys act like you can play in MLB because you're good at push-button sports games. Give me a f-ing break.
And yeah, the lineups ARE going well for me as I've never used so many players and lineups this year....offline.
I'm proud to be the #1 offline player anyway, because that's how I started!Relax buddy nobody said anything about that. You play however you want. I'm just saying that people who play offline and DON'T compete will care less about their line up variety and might use cards that people who do compete against each other will not even consider. This was not about bashing people who only play offline, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to hijack this thread with that narrative. Thank you.
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@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
"I do think there is more lineup diversity this year than in past years..."
You're joking, right? Or are you still defending anything and everything SDS does and intending to die on that hill? In years past there were absolutely more options to consider at each position because there were a ton of cards you could choose from since there were multiple "meta" cards for each position and often it would come down to personal preference. That's just not the case now, no two ways about it. Go make your way up the ranks and see what teams you run into when the opponents get a little better.
No, I'm not joking, simply offering up my opinion based on what I have seen so far as someone who actually plays the game.
I don't know why you always have to get so emotional about this stuff and lash out at anyone who has a different opinion than you. I have never defended anything and everything SDS does, but I know that's your go to line anytime you are triggered by a different opinion. Of course you left out the part in your quote where I said there is a not a lot of lineup diversity in general because that didn't fit the narrative you wanted to create about me.
I'm really starting to feel bad for you man. Spending all this time on a forum for a game you don't even play just to whine, argue and try to make other people as miserable as you are. It's getting really sad and I hope things improve for you soon. I'm here if you ever need to have a real conversation. I'd love to see you lift yourself up out of this spiral someday soon.
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@jaychvz_XBL said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
I probably shouldn't give sds any ideas , but player fatigue, like pitcher fatigue could cause diversity. The lower the energy fielding drops etc . I don't know if there is anything they could do . People are always going to use the best cards available. I don't think I've ever faced a team themed team , I use angels theme team 80% of the time , I even use some live series cards.
Do you guys have any solutions?I mean things were fine as they were imo. But I just wanted to point out that they tried to sell this idea of sets under the false pretense that it would create more lineup diversity and it's just not true and people (myself included) could see that from the start. It's a way to ensure you grind more and keep people engaged when you can no longer use your previous set cards. It all comes down to player retention, to keep you playing and to keep you grinding mindlessly for the new set cards. Heck you might even get tired of it and buy a bundle for a chance at that card that blows the free card you get for grinding hours and hours out of the water! I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.
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@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
"I do think there is more lineup diversity this year than in past years..."
You're joking, right? Or are you still defending anything and everything SDS does and intending to die on that hill? In years past there were absolutely more options to consider at each position because there were a ton of cards you could choose from since there were multiple "meta" cards for each position and often it would come down to personal preference. That's just not the case now, no two ways about it. Go make your way up the ranks and see what teams you run into when the opponents get a little better.
No, I'm not joking, simply offering up my opinion based on what I have seen so far as someone who actually plays the game.
I don't know why you always have to get so emotional about this stuff and lash out at anyone who has a different opinion than you. I have never defended anything and everything SDS does, but I know that's your go to line anytime you are triggered by a different opinion. Of course you left out the part in your quote where I said there is a not a lot of lineup diversity in general because that didn't fit the narrative you wanted to create about me.
I'm really starting to feel bad for you man. Spending all this time on a forum for a game you don't even play just to whine, argue and try to make other people as miserable as you are. It's getting really sad and I hope things improve for you soon. I'm here if you ever need to have a real conversation. I'd love to see you lift yourself up out of this spiral someday soon.
I only lash out against people who never actually want to debate and stick to one side of the argument depending on who is on the other side of the argument. The real clowns around here. People like you. Good day.
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@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
"I do think there is more lineup diversity this year than in past years..."
You're joking, right? Or are you still defending anything and everything SDS does and intending to die on that hill? In years past there were absolutely more options to consider at each position because there were a ton of cards you could choose from since there were multiple "meta" cards for each position and often it would come down to personal preference. That's just not the case now, no two ways about it. Go make your way up the ranks and see what teams you run into when the opponents get a little better.
No, I'm not joking, simply offering up my opinion based on what I have seen so far as someone who actually plays the game.
I don't know why you always have to get so emotional about this stuff and lash out at anyone who has a different opinion than you. I have never defended anything and everything SDS does, but I know that's your go to line anytime you are triggered by a different opinion. Of course you left out the part in your quote where I said there is a not a lot of lineup diversity in general because that didn't fit the narrative you wanted to create about me.
I'm really starting to feel bad for you man. Spending all this time on a forum for a game you don't even play just to whine, argue and try to make other people as miserable as you are. It's getting really sad and I hope things improve for you soon. I'm here if you ever need to have a real conversation. I'd love to see you lift yourself up out of this spiral someday soon.
I only lash out against people who never actually want to debate and stick to one side of the argument depending on who is on the other side of the argument. The real clowns around here. People like you. Good day.
Ugh this is so sad to watch. My offer still stands man, I'm here if you ever need someone to talk to. I'm pulling for you.
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@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
"I do think there is more lineup diversity this year than in past years..."
You're joking, right? Or are you still defending anything and everything SDS does and intending to die on that hill? In years past there were absolutely more options to consider at each position because there were a ton of cards you could choose from since there were multiple "meta" cards for each position and often it would come down to personal preference. That's just not the case now, no two ways about it. Go make your way up the ranks and see what teams you run into when the opponents get a little better.
No, I'm not joking, simply offering up my opinion based on what I have seen so far as someone who actually plays the game.
I don't know why you always have to get so emotional about this stuff and lash out at anyone who has a different opinion than you. I have never defended anything and everything SDS does, but I know that's your go to line anytime you are triggered by a different opinion. Of course you left out the part in your quote where I said there is a not a lot of lineup diversity in general because that didn't fit the narrative you wanted to create about me.
I'm really starting to feel bad for you man. Spending all this time on a forum for a game you don't even play just to whine, argue and try to make other people as miserable as you are. It's getting really sad and I hope things improve for you soon. I'm here if you ever need to have a real conversation. I'd love to see you lift yourself up out of this spiral someday soon.
I only lash out against people who never actually want to debate and stick to one side of the argument depending on who is on the other side of the argument. The real clowns around here. People like you. Good day.
Ugh this is so sad to watch. My offer still stands man, I'm here if you ever need someone to talk to. I'm pulling for you.
Ugh, it's only fitting that someone like you would assume something is wrong with me and then proceed to offer the arrogant high horsed "I'm here for you if you ever need someone to talk" bs. Pretending to be caring and understanding but it all comes from a position of belittlement and superiority. It falls perfectly in line with the character you show around here.
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I would give SDS credit for trying something new if I thought it was done in good faith. I don't think that because I think this system was designed to (1) keep people on the treadmill forever or (2) shortcut it by buying stubs.
(1) isn't necessarily a bad thing but the rewards have to be desirable. In this game the rewards are merely collection pieces for the most part. And it should go without saying that grinding for lesser versions of players we already have is very uninspiring.
They did have a very good idea for this year in captains, but ironically they would have been a much greater addition to the old progression system. With the high diamonds from day 1 their impact has been muted.
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@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
"I do think there is more lineup diversity this year than in past years..."
You're joking, right? Or are you still defending anything and everything SDS does and intending to die on that hill? In years past there were absolutely more options to consider at each position because there were a ton of cards you could choose from since there were multiple "meta" cards for each position and often it would come down to personal preference. That's just not the case now, no two ways about it. Go make your way up the ranks and see what teams you run into when the opponents get a little better.
No, I'm not joking, simply offering up my opinion based on what I have seen so far as someone who actually plays the game.
I don't know why you always have to get so emotional about this stuff and lash out at anyone who has a different opinion than you. I have never defended anything and everything SDS does, but I know that's your go to line anytime you are triggered by a different opinion. Of course you left out the part in your quote where I said there is a not a lot of lineup diversity in general because that didn't fit the narrative you wanted to create about me.
I'm really starting to feel bad for you man. Spending all this time on a forum for a game you don't even play just to whine, argue and try to make other people as miserable as you are. It's getting really sad and I hope things improve for you soon. I'm here if you ever need to have a real conversation. I'd love to see you lift yourself up out of this spiral someday soon.
I only lash out against people who never actually want to debate and stick to one side of the argument depending on who is on the other side of the argument. The real clowns around here. People like you. Good day.
Ugh this is so sad to watch. My offer still stands man, I'm here if you ever need someone to talk to. I'm pulling for you.
Ugh, it's only fitting that someone like you would assume something is wrong with me and then proceed to offer the arrogant high horsed "I'm here for you if you ever need someone to talk" bs. Pretending to be caring and understanding but it all comes from a position of belittlement and superiority. It falls perfectly in line with the character you show around here.
I'm truly sorry that you feel that way. I in no way feel that I am superior to anyone on here and do not mean to belittle anyone.
I do care and am trying to be understanding. I've tried to be as respectful as possible, and no matter how much you continue to hurl insults at me I will continue to offer to be here if you ever need to talk.
I get that can be tough to do with a stranger on the internet, so no hard feelings either way, I just want you to know that the option is there. I promise I am not the character that you've created in your head for me. I'm just a regular dude like the rest of us.
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So how about sending that message privately then just saying
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Personally, I'm enjoying the game as is. I mostly don't care about my opponents lineup , I just know they're going to probably have the best lineup. I mainly use my Angels theme team but I also play casual with different theme teams and I enjoy, I recently made a video for team mexico with Captain kirk . Played on casual and I thoroughly enjoyed it .
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@Skarmaen_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
I would give SDS credit for trying something new if I thought it was done in good faith. I don't think that because I think this system was designed to (1) keep people on the treadmill forever or (2) shortcut it by buying stubs.
(1) isn't necessarily a bad thing but the rewards have to be desirable. In this game the rewards are merely collection pieces for the most part. And it should go without saying that grinding for lesser versions of players we already have is very uninspiring.
They did have a very good idea for this year in captains, but ironically they would have been a much greater addition to the old progression system. With the high diamonds from day 1 their impact has been muted.
I will agree with your train of thought here. BR and WS rewards have been the worst I can remember, but Chase packs and collection rewards have been by far the best options in the game. No doubt a ploy to spend money.
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@jaychvz_XBL said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
Personally, I'm enjoying the game as is. I mostly don't care about my opponents lineup , I just know they're going to probably have the best lineup. I mainly use my Angels theme team but I also play casual with different theme teams and I enjoy, I recently made a video for team mexico with Captain kirk . Played on casual and I thoroughly enjoyed it .
That's awesome and I'm happy you enjoy to play that way. All power to you for that. But most people will use the best line up possible, especially when playing online. SDS knows that. So creating this narrative of lineup diversity when there are clearly other motives, it just doesn't sit well with me and I'm not alone in that sentiment.
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@Oreo-Thomas_XBL said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
New Coke
NEW COKE WAS AN ABOMINATION!!!
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With this type of competitive game mode, players are always going to use the META, regardless of how many cards SDS pushes out. So lineup diversity for online is just out the window regardless what model ya using, Sets this year or previous yrs games Meta rules for online. I personally think SDS is greedy , as a business is i guess and created this Set model to rip off and bleed its customers slowly
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@BxnnyMxn__PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
So how about sending that message privately then just saying
That's fair, maybe I should have done that. My thought in posting it here was mostly to counter the shots that he tends to take at my character. I'd prefer that other posters knew that I'm not anything like the things he makes up about me because I enjoy talking about the game here and being part of this community. But yeah, maybe handling it privately would have been better. Thanks for the input.
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@Bearsfan217_XBL said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
With this type of competitive game mode, players are always going to use the META, regardless of how many cards SDS pushes out. So lineup diversity for online is just out the window regardless what model ya using, Sets this year or previous yrs games Meta rules for online. I personally think SDS is greedy , as a business is i guess and created this Set model to rip off and bleed its customers slowly
. I could say more but thats the jist of itBut in previous years you actually did have the choice which "meta" card you wanted to use because there were multiple for each position, which has now been eliminated by this new sets implementation. And let me clarify once more, it's not neccesarily about that system or the lack of lineup variety that doesn't sit well with me.. it's the fact that they tried to sell it under that false pretense when there were clearly very different ulterior motives.
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Speaking of lack of diversity why is that Donaldson card so popular aren’t there others out there that are equal to the task? Does playing online really require eveyone to have the same team? Maybe they’re all just mimicking the lineups that are suggested to them online instead of trying out other cards and giving themselves a chance to discover a hidden gem or is there even any such thing anymore?
Is it just at the highest levels of competition where Donaldson gains the edge? That would be understandable however I’ll never make it there to see lol but I’m very interested to learn
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@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
"I do think there is more lineup diversity this year than in past years..."
You're joking, right? Or are you still defending anything and everything SDS does and intending to die on that hill? In years past there were absolutely more options to consider at each position because there were a ton of cards you could choose from since there were multiple "meta" cards for each position and often it would come down to personal preference. That's just not the case now, no two ways about it. Go make your way up the ranks and see what teams you run into when the opponents get a little better.
Maybe you have a history with this person and are responding as you are because of that, but it seems to me that your opinion or "still defending anything and everything SDS does and intending to die on that hill" aren't the only two options, here.
I obviously haven't tracked opponent's lineups over the years, but certainly feel like I'm seeing much more variety in my opponents' teams this year. There's a lot more to this fanbase than those who play at the very top levels; I've played about 200 RS games this year, almost all at All Star, and while there are certainly a few cards that most people use, I don't feel like I'm playing against the same lineup every game. In years past, I felt like I did... people who weren't very good were just not as good with the same [censored] players as everyone else. Maybe the current structure isn't the only thing behind that, but I'd say it definitely helps.
I would venture to guess that those who base their lineup on the best available player at each position will whittle their way to the same players whether there are sets and seasons or just one continuous slog. To me, it seems that looking only at those "way up in the ranks" is actually the worst way to determine whether or not this little experiment worked, both because they'd put themselves at a disadvantage by using a lesser card and because they're such a small segment of the population.
For those that choose their teams based on players they like, it seems like there are more choices this year... I happen to think that the current structure has something to do with that.
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@The_Joneser_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@raesONE-_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
@Pergo_PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
"I do think there is more lineup diversity this year than in past years..."
You're joking, right? Or are you still defending anything and everything SDS does and intending to die on that hill? In years past there were absolutely more options to consider at each position because there were a ton of cards you could choose from since there were multiple "meta" cards for each position and often it would come down to personal preference. That's just not the case now, no two ways about it. Go make your way up the ranks and see what teams you run into when the opponents get a little better.
Maybe you have a history with this person and are responding as you are because of that, but it seems to me that your opinion or "still defending anything and everything SDS does and intending to die on that hill" aren't the only two options, here.
I obviously haven't tracked opponent's lineups over the years, but certainly feel like I'm seeing much more variety in my opponents' teams this year. There's a lot more to this fanbase than those who play at the very top levels; I've played about 200 RS games this year, almost all at All Star, and while there are certainly a few cards that most people use, I don't feel like I'm playing against the same lineup every game. In years past, I felt like I did... people who weren't very good were just not as good with the same [censored] players as everyone else. Maybe the current structure isn't the only thing behind that, but I'd say it definitely helps.
I would venture to guess that those who base their lineup on the best available player at each position will whittle their way to the same players whether there are sets and seasons or just one continuous slog. To me, it seems that looking only at those "way up in the ranks" is actually the worst way to determine whether or not this little experiment worked, both because they'd put themselves at a disadvantage by using a lesser card and because they're such a small segment of the population.
For those that choose their teams based on players they like, it seems like there are more choices this year... I happen to think that the current structure has something to do with that.
I can see where you're coming from and appreciate your input. Perhaps it is true that there is more diversity in the lower levels of RS, and in my estimation there is some correlation with the fact that people aren't striving to compete/win neccesarily. They're just looking to have fun. And that is great, that's probably how the game should be played by most in all honesty. But for anyone who does want to compete and plays in the higher levels of RS, the lineup diversity is nowhere to be seen. Everyone is running the same team, while in years past there were way more viable options for each positions because of the simple fact that cards weren't locked out. But again, I do see your point.
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@BxnnyMxn__PSN said in How is this lineup diversity thing working?:
Speaking of lack of diversity why is that Donaldson card so popular aren’t there others out there that are equal to the task? Does playing online really require eveyone to have the same team? Maybe they’re all just mimicking the lineups that are suggested to them online instead of trying out other cards and giving themselves a chance to discover a hidden gem or is there even any such thing anymore?
Is it just at the highest levels of competition where Donaldson gains the edge? That would be understandable however I’ll never make it there to see lol but I’m very interested to learn
Some people are sheep. They see YouTubers using certain cards and they think that if they use the same cards; they'll play as good as the best player out there.
Same thing goes with cards that are glitched.
