BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective
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Ok, I guess that even though I try to play daily and try to play at least for a few hours, each time I play, you could say that I'm a casual player.
I'll never make WS (another program with non-sellable rewards) and I'll never go 12-0 (best run I had was 8-2 and that was because a few of my opponents quit).
I'm fine with the above statement. I'm content just playing the game and selling off the cards I don't want to use, or the ones that are at a premium, to get cards that I do want to use.
But now that the packs in both the Ranked Series (discussion for another time) and now the BR Program, mainly the Flawless Pack, are non-sellable; I consider that a slap in the face for the casual player. Let me explain.
You need 100pts to get that pack (if you can't go 12-0).
The points breakdown is as follows:
1pt per win
20pts to go 12-0
10pts for 9+wins in one entry.10pts for 4,000 PXP in one entry
10pts for 35 hits in one entry.
15K in PXP accrued in BR games
25K in PXP accrued in BR games
20 HRs in BR games
30Ks in BR games
5 BBs in BR games.And you also have your Silver, Gold, and Diamond Player Missions where you get 4pts, per player, when you hit 500 PXP for that player. With a total of 4 players per tier; that's 12 players for a total of 48pts.
Now the first set of tasks (Wins, 12-0, 9+) are repeatable. But since the casual player maybe averages 3-4 wins a run, unless they're lucky, they won't hit 12-9 or 9+.
So let's say they get 4 wins a run. That's 4pts.
Now the second set (done in one entry) chances are the casual player may not get those. I've gotten the 4K in PXP twice ever and both times were because my opponent went AFK. So, we won't count those points.
Now comes the ones that add up. Getting 15 and 25K is doable. So we'll include those points. That's 30 pts.
Now the player missions. If you only get a chance at drafting one player per tier, sometimes you can luck out and get 1-2 more, you're looking at 400 PXP per each of 3 players.
Even if you bat those players 1-3 in your lineup; you may only get 1 AB per player; maybe two if you're lucky.
Now let's say you get at least one hit per AB, and it's a single, per player, you'll average 15-18 PXP per player. That's 45-48 PXP per game. Now that's for hitters. Pitcher are different. You can possibly average twice that, if not triple, per pitcher.
But for now; we're counting hitters. At 45-48 PXP per game; you would need to draft each of those players a minimum of 9 times.
So technically, unless you have a good game, you'll finish each of the batters (8) in about 9 games.
So that would be about 4500 in entry fees for each player. That's about 36K in entry fees. Let's add an additional 5-6 games for the pitchers (4); around another 14K in entry fees.
That means you'll complete all the players missions for a total of 48pts spending about 50K in entry fees.
Add in the 15 or so wins; that gets you 53pts.
Now, with those 12 players, you would have about 6K in PXP. Less than half of the 15K needed for 15pts. And less than one forth of the 25K needed for the other 15pts. But you also get PXP for the other players on your team.
So let's do this. Even if you strike out 9 times; you'll get about 145 PXP for the batters and about 145 for the pitchers. So 300 per game.
So, even with completing the Player Missions (48pts) and the 15/25K PXP missions (30pts) that's only 78pts.
Now onto the stats. 20 HRs for 20pts. Let's say that takes you 20 games minimum, but could take more, because you know how these pansies like to dashboard.
The 30Ks will come (5pts) and the 5 BBs (5pts) will also come.
So that's a total of 88pts you can get just for playing. But we're still around 50-60K in entry fees and we still need 12pts.
So in order for a casual player to get the 100pts they are looking at 50-60K in entry fees.
Before you could sell that player and make at least your entry fees back. Maybe even a profit.
But now you can't. Yes, you get the mission players on the way; but you could probably buy them outright for 40-50K.
So, you would say that's only 20K for a 99 player.
But if you don't need that player; it's still it worth it because of all the toxicity you run into online.
As a casual player; I'd much rather use that 60K to buy a player, or two, that I want to use or ones that I can use towards the LS Collection.
SDS came out with these programs (BR/RS) because they wanted more people play these modes. Well, making these unsellable is going to negate that because a casual player isn't going to want to deal with all the hassel just to get an unsellable card. I NEVER touched BR or Ranked until they implemented these programs and I doubt I'll play either mode again
So, if their end game is to anger and pretty much 'slap them in the face' 90% if their player base; mission achieved.
And I know the following statement has no bearing on their bottom line; but once this game is no longer available on the PS4, of not sooner, I'll be done playing it.
And I was even going to buy $200-300 worth of stubs today because I wanted to complete the LS Collection before the upcoming stub sale; but I've decided not to throw another penny at this game.
If I don't get it completed before the potential stub sale and cards stay inflated; I'll be done sooner than anticipated.
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Yeah...and every time you enter, you get a pack...even if you go 0-2, right?
A pack that costs 1500 Stubs, no?
Funny but you left that out of your entire word problem...the 60K in Stubs you use also gets you 40 Packs. Plus the reward.
IDK...I don't see what the fuss is about.
But I play online for fun and would play without the little digital dopamine "rewards"...
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@BrikMahorn_XBL said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
Yeah...and every time you enter, you get a pack...even if you go 0-2, right?
A pack that costs 1500 Stubs, no?
Funny but you left that out of your entire word problem...the 60K in Stubs you use also gets you 40 Packs. Plus the reward.
IDK...I don't see what the fuss is about.
But I play online for fun and would play without the little digital dopamine "rewards"...
Buy a pack and see if you get 1500 stubs worth of cards. You don't. And I'm not saying that you should get your 1500 back.
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@BrikMahorn_XBL said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
Yeah...and every time you enter, you get a pack...even if you go 0-2, right?
A pack that costs 1500 Stubs, no?
Funny but you left that out of your entire word problem...the 60K in Stubs you use also gets you 40 Packs. Plus the reward.
IDK...I don't see what the fuss is about.
But I play online for fun and would play without the little digital dopamine "rewards"...
I just tried your explanation of getting a pack for my entry fee as I just bought a pack thru the store.
I got a Silver Icon (100 stubs), three Common players (15 stubs), and a Bronze player (25 stubs).
So 140 stubs. Yeah, still not worth it. Unless you can go 12-0 and get the 4,000 PXP bad 30+ hits in at least one run; it's not worth it for a non-sellable card. Especially one that can only be used for a few months unless you want to use it as your ONLY Wild Card spot.
I'm sorry. This and the WR Program pack not being sellable along with all the issues we had with Mini Seasons, the Head Start Rewards not working, crickets about cool down penalties due to freeze offs, and everything else SDS is being silent about is going to deter a lot of people from returning.
Some say good that will weed out the casuals. But how is everyone going to feel when EVERY H2H game is sweaty and a 2-1 run game?
And honest I'm confused by your response. First, days ago, you blasted them about all the 99s being available and now your happy that this 99 is unsellable?
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Can we get a TLDR version? I ain't reading that frigging wall of text.
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@aaronjw76_PSN said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
Can we get a TLDR version? I ain't reading that frigging wall of text.
Back in my day we used to read walls of text for fun. Uphill. In the snow. Both ways.
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@BrikMahorn_XBL said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
Yeah...and every time you enter, you get a pack...even if you go 0-2, right?
A pack that costs 1500 Stubs, no?
Funny but you left that out of your entire word problem...the 60K in Stubs you use also gets you 40 Packs. Plus the reward.
IDK...I don't see what the fuss is about.
But I play online for fun and would play without the little digital dopamine "rewards"...
1 Silver Minor League Uniform
3 Free Agent Commons
1 Bronze ScrubHardly worth your entry to BR. When did you start playing DD? You used to be able to buy all the LS cards, lock them in and get the rewards and then quick sell them to get some of your stubs back. You used to get a card after every game played whether it was Conquest, Vs CPU or any game. Now its only Vs CPU. Slowly but surely they are eliminating every avenue of making stubs without spending real money and you don't see what all the fuss is about? Yet you can't stop complaining about all the high diamonds being released early. I've seen the forum come full circle since 16. Thanks for the wake up call.
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@BrikMahorn_XBL said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
Yeah...and every time you enter, you get a pack...even if you go 0-2, right?
A pack that costs 1500 Stubs, no?
Funny but you left that out of your entire word problem...the 60K in Stubs you use also gets you 40 Packs. Plus the reward.
IDK...I don't see what the fuss is about.
But I play online for fun and would play without the little digital dopamine "rewards"...
wow I've never agreed with you on this forum but this is an amazing point.
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@TEXAS10PT_PSN said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
Yeah...and every time you enter, you get a pack...even if you go 0-2, right?
A pack that costs 1500 Stubs, no?
Funny but you left that out of your entire word problem...the 60K in Stubs you use also gets you 40 Packs. Plus the reward.
IDK...I don't see what the fuss is about.
But I play online for fun and would play without the little digital dopamine "rewards"...
1 Silver Minor League Uniform
3 Free Agent Commons
1 Bronze ScrubHardly worth your entry to BR. When did you start playing DD? You used to be able to buy all the LS cards, lock them in and get the rewards and then quick sell them to get some of your stubs back. You used to get a card after every game played whether it was Conquest, Vs CPU or any game. Now its only Vs CPU. Slowly but surely they are eliminating every avenue of making stubs without spending real money and you don't see what all the fuss is about? Yet you can't stop complaining about all the high diamonds being released early. I've seen the forum come full circle since 16. Thanks for the wake up call.
Well said. I was honestly ok with them removing the ability to quicksell locked cards back then(because at a certain point in the year the LS and other small collections were literally free after the quicksells), but this monetization path they are going down is probably going to drive me away from this game for good(I used to play 2k more than this game fwiw, quit that around 18). Plenty of good games on the PS+ Extra and premium services I've been wanting to try so it's probably for the better.
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@X-FREEZE-OFF-X_PSN said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
Yeah...and every time you enter, you get a pack...even if you go 0-2, right?
A pack that costs 1500 Stubs, no?
Funny but you left that out of your entire word problem...the 60K in Stubs you use also gets you 40 Packs. Plus the reward.
IDK...I don't see what the fuss is about.
But I play online for fun and would play without the little digital dopamine "rewards"...
Buy a pack and see if you get 1500 stubs worth of cards. You don't. And I'm not saying that you should get your 1500 back.
Where did I make the argument that you should get the 1500 you spend back in every pack?
I’ll sit and wait for an answer…it’s gonna be a while…because I never said that.
But nowhere was it mentioned in that long rambling word problem OP made.
40 entries into BR to complete the program will cost you 60k and get you 40 packs. That’s just a fact. All I was pointing out was that it was conveniently LEFT OUT…
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@X-FREEZE-OFF-X_PSN said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in BR Program: From a 'casual' player's perspective:
Yeah...and every time you enter, you get a pack...even if you go 0-2, right?
A pack that costs 1500 Stubs, no?
Funny but you left that out of your entire word problem...the 60K in Stubs you use also gets you 40 Packs. Plus the reward.
IDK...I don't see what the fuss is about.
But I play online for fun and would play without the little digital dopamine "rewards"...
I just tried your explanation of getting a pack for my entry fee as I just bought a pack thru the store.
I got a Silver Icon (100 stubs), three Common players (15 stubs), and a Bronze player (25 stubs).
So 140 stubs. Yeah, still not worth it. Unless you can go 12-0 and get the 4,000 PXP bad 30+ hits in at least one run; it's not worth it for a non-sellable card. Especially one that can only be used for a few months unless you want to use it as your ONLY Wild Card spot.
I'm sorry. This and the WR Program pack not being sellable along with all the issues we had with Mini Seasons, the Head Start Rewards not working, crickets about cool down penalties due to freeze offs, and everything else SDS is being silent about is going to deter a lot of people from returning.
Some say good that will weed out the casuals. But how is everyone going to feel when EVERY H2H game is sweaty and a 2-1 run game?
And honest I'm confused by your response. First, days ago, you blasted them about all the 99s being available and now your happy that this 99 is unsellable?
"Tried my explanation"...? WTF does that mean?
I just pointed out a FACT that the OP (conveniently) left out of his post. Kinda funny to make a long rambling post like that and leave out the 40 packs someone would get if they spent 60k on BR entries to complete the Program.
Not sure what my take on all the 99s has to do with this?
You're confused that I could have one opinion that is against SDS and one that backs them up? LOL!
First off, this just shows that a lot of you don't even understand WHY I'm not a fan of all the 99s.
The quick answer is...I don't want to play against entire teams of 99s when my team isn't all 99s. And it's not because I don't have lots of 97/99 cards...and I have about 650K Stubs too.
It's because simply going thru my cards and making out a lineup with ONLY my best cards is incredibly childish, boring, and lame to me.
My problem is less with the 99s and more with the fact I have nowhere to go play a 9 inning game where I'm NOT playing an opponent with all 99s.
As for this "big" No Sell controversy...I'm not sure I even care.
If I had to take a side, I'd probably side with the Casuals because in the long run catering to the Streamers and Goons probably isn't good for the game.
I laugh when I see people talk about only playing the game for REWARDS (and the tiny little dopamine hits they get from them!)...because there are lots of us who play the game because we ENJOY it...and enjoy baseball.
The other funny part is seeing SDS make clear moves that benefit THEM in the long run...and will eventually push people to BUY STUBS later in the game cycle...even though a bunch of people said that wasn't the reason for these changes! Hahahahahahaha!
The moves were very clear and maybe now some of you will see it play out. At first, it wasn't as obvious...and that's because SDS doesn't have an issue selling Stubs and keeping that revenue flowing in EARLY in the game cycle in the first few months after the game is released.
But...sales of Stubs gradually decrease over time, especially as we drive in to the summer when people play less video games. And then when fall comes around, SDS has new team building modes from EA and 2K to compete with.
All of SDS's moves were in an effort to INCREASE the revenue from Stub sales later in the game cycle. Especially among their most loyal customers. And every move they've made has been to do so.
Some of us saw this coming and said it out loud...
