To support my claims
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Watch closely as I meter Gerrit Cole to throw a circle change that I place at the center bottom of the zone. I'm pretty close with the accuracy even though I get an "early" feedback. But, watch the ball just start in where I aimed it but then jump over to the right and outside (defying any physics the game of baseball has ever known). That is NOTHING compared to the 4-seamer I throw on the next pitch. I'm not going to describe it, just judge for yourself.
And then, finally, the knuckle Curve that Pederson hits for a homerun. I'm aiming for the bottom of the zone again and it just sort of floats up there high and drops slowly in to the cookie wheelhouse. And, again, my accuracy (meter wise) is pretty much spot on. Surely shouldn't take a low pitch and put it in the high happy zone at 30 mph. I don't care if it is a KC.
And then, just like that, wallah..everything goes back to normal again and pitches do what they are supposed to do after my online opponent gets the runs the code so non-discreetly gifts him.
I've got all sorts of these snippets if anyone cares to watch.
I could capture video snippets all day of animation that happens in this game that just underscores how obvious the AI intervention is. Doesn't prevent the game from being fun or even worth the cost. But, it does exploit how manipulative the code is. A masterpiece of MLB animation wrapped in an arcade persona with an objective of handing out success and failures pretty much evenly. REGARDLESS of how quick your reflexes are or how great your eye-hand coordination is. There are no maestros when a game consistently goes off the rails like the video I'm sharing.
Anyone argue that these "rumored about prodigy players" can win consistently when the game completely takes the pitching out of your hand. And it's the same sorta AI predetermined outcomes that are rampant in batting, fielding, and the entire facade.
Still fun, but surely not a true competition or testimony to skill.
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I've always wondered what my opponent "sees" in these situations. I'm pretty sure he/she sees a cookie pitch they unload on. They don't see all the jumping and floating around 'cause they would never hit it. Would be like trying to swat a fly with a noodle.
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Lag is a beeeeatch
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I see this all too often myself. When the connection is choppy
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It’s lag and possibly stick drift in your controller. I suffered the same issue, and focus more on making sure I’m not letting off the left stick until I’ve released the ball. It’s not “predetermined outcome code” or RNG manipulation.
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That's not code, that's lag and possibly even just a visual glitch. I remember years ago Madden devs warning not to judge gameplay by slowed down replays, because the graphics/animations won't always line up perfectly with the intent of the play. Not defending Madden, which is trash. But these are video games, and they're never going to replicate real life perfectly. Have fun with them and take them for what they are. If you think they're too broken to play competitively online, don't.
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Are we sure Meter pitching isn’t just broken?
I’ve been using Meter…and it’s felt broken all year. I have pitches I barely miss the meter on that go 5 feet out of the zone.
Then I have pitches where I miss the meter by a lot…that are only a few inches off.
I’ve had inputs that show Perfect on my screen…and then register as Very Early on the feedback.
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@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in To support my claims:
It’s lag and possibly stick drift in your controller. I suffered the same issue, and focus more on making sure I’m not letting off the left stick until I’ve released the ball. It’s not “predetermined outcome code” or RNG manipulation.
No stick drift. Both my controllers play perfectly on other games. I've had controllers that did "drift" so I know exactly the symptoms. So, it's not that.
I know lag can "potentially" have effect in many ways in many games. I do have 1gb fiber with fairly low latency. Doesn't mean I'm immune.
However, I emphasized the fact that, instantly, after my opponent got his runs to go ahead..the lag and freaky ball trajectory disappeared.
I think if anything lag "potentially" allows you a window into what the code is really doing. Could be wrong and perhaps it's impossible that latency slows animation down enuf to see "stuff" you don't at game speed. So I'll admit that theory is prob way off track.
Major point, if indeed lag can cause such extreme deviations in gameplay the only so-called "great players" are going to be the ones that never experience lag. If that's a theory as well, I'm not going to disagree based on what little I understand about how SDS codes their product to handle such phenomena.
I dunno, but undoubtedly this game is fixed to hand wins/losses out at it's own discretion with little emphasis on how well you handle your controller. Doesn't mean the game sucks. It's a treat to play sometimes. But, it is what it is.
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@BrikMahorn_XBL said in To support my claims:
Are we sure Meter pitching isn’t just broken?
I’ve been using Meter…and it’s felt broken all year. I have pitches I barely miss the meter on that go 5 feet out of the zone.
Then I have pitches where I miss the meter by a lot…that are only a few inches off.
I’ve had inputs that show Perfect on my screen…and then register as Very Early on the feedback.
I only use meter so I don't have a great point of reference.
I do find it peculiar, you can see that in the video as well, that when the animation shows my accuracy nearly dead on the line I'm getting "early" feedback and then the ball ends up 2-3 feet from where I setup. As close as I landed the accuracy with a pitcher with pretty good control..I shouldn't have missed my target by more than 6-12 inches. Well, that's typically what happens anyway. It's a crapshoot. Don't even know why I keep bringing up what most know anyway. Guess it's therapeutic...Ha.
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@BrikMahorn_XBL said in To support my claims:
Are we sure Meter pitching isn’t just broken?
I’ve been using Meter…and it’s felt broken all year. I have pitches I barely miss the meter on that go 5 feet out of the zone.
Then I have pitches where I miss the meter by a lot…that are only a few inches off.
I’ve had inputs that show Perfect on my screen…and then register as Very Early on the feedback.
I'm a meter guy too and it just feels like we are almost being punished for using this "option". Perfect with PP doesn't have the same result as perfect on meter. It's kind of bullsh but it is what it is I guess.
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@ThaGhettoBlasta said in To support my claims:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in To support my claims:
Are we sure Meter pitching isn’t just broken?
I’ve been using Meter…and it’s felt broken all year. I have pitches I barely miss the meter on that go 5 feet out of the zone.
Then I have pitches where I miss the meter by a lot…that are only a few inches off.
I’ve had inputs that show Perfect on my screen…and then register as Very Early on the feedback.
I'm a meter guy too and it just feels like we are almost being punished for using this "option". Perfect with PP doesn't have the same result as perfect on meter. It's kind of bullsh but it is what it is I guess.
The game is intentionally designed to reward the inputs it prioritizes. Zone is much harder to hit with, but if you line it up and time it up, you're going to do better. Meter is the archaic pitching mode they'd probably like to phase out. If it makes you feel better, PARs are huge this year with pinpoint, and even on perfect pitches the ball still lands most often on the edge of the par.
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Use Pulse pitching --- much more accurate.
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@MLB_Baseball_Fan said in To support my claims:
Use Pulse pitching --- much more accurate.
Just thinking about using pulse makes me fear a seizure. Pinpoint is the easiest on my eyes at this point.
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@SuntLacrimae50_MLBTS said in To support my claims:
@ThaGhettoBlasta said in To support my claims:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in To support my claims:
Are we sure Meter pitching isn’t just broken?
I’ve been using Meter…and it’s felt broken all year. I have pitches I barely miss the meter on that go 5 feet out of the zone.
Then I have pitches where I miss the meter by a lot…that are only a few inches off.
I’ve had inputs that show Perfect on my screen…and then register as Very Early on the feedback.
I'm a meter guy too and it just feels like we are almost being punished for using this "option". Perfect with PP doesn't have the same result as perfect on meter. It's kind of bullsh but it is what it is I guess.
The game is intentionally designed to reward the inputs it prioritizes. Zone is much harder to hit with, but if you line it up and time it up, you're going to do better. Meter is the archaic pitching mode they'd probably like to phase out. If it makes you feel better, PARs are huge this year with pinpoint, and even on perfect pitches the ball still lands most often on the edge of the par.
Why wouldn't SDS just retire meter then? I mean, they have eliminated other modes in the past. Would be pretty chicken$hit of them to neuter a mode a fruckload of customers still use. I mean, yes, it would be par for the course with them..but still chicken$hit.
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Sounds like someone ran out of Kleenex
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@Tylerslikewhoa_XBL said in To support my claims:
Sounds like someone ran out of Kleenex
You realize Kleenex is a brand-name. Tissue paper is likely the term you wanted. I use the generic stuff when I blow my snot-box. Cheaper and not as harmful to the environment.
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@ShowProdigy_MLBTS said in To support my claims:
@Tylerslikewhoa_XBL said in To support my claims:
Sounds like someone ran out of Kleenex
You realize Kleenex is a brand-name. Tissue paper is likely the term you wanted. I use the generic stuff when I blow my snot-box. Cheaper and not as harmful to the environment.
So that’s how you got that rash
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Ok, this complaint I can get behind. This isn't "lag" or "stick drift". This is 100% a glitch or bug in the programming. I run on wired fiber optic and am using a brand new controller. It doesn't happen every game or even every other game but it does happen sporadically.
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@ShowProdigy_MLBTS said in To support my claims:
Watch closely as I meter Gerrit Cole to throw a circle change that I place at the center bottom of the zone. I'm pretty close with the accuracy even though I get an "early" feedback. But, watch the ball just start in where I aimed it but then jump over to the right and outside (defying any physics the game of baseball has ever known). That is NOTHING compared to the 4-seamer I throw on the next pitch. I'm not going to describe it, just judge for yourself.
And then, finally, the knuckle Curve that Pederson hits for a homerun. I'm aiming for the bottom of the zone again and it just sort of floats up there high and drops slowly in to the cookie wheelhouse. And, again, my accuracy (meter wise) is pretty much spot on. Surely shouldn't take a low pitch and put it in the high happy zone at 30 mph. I don't care if it is a KC.
I don't know, man... I see weird stuff like this occasionally, but just because weird stuff happens, doesn't mean that it's intentional. The Pederson HR looks odd, and when framed in the context of your suspicion, one can point to that as evidence, I suppose...
Here's my thing, though: there are strange visual "glitches" in this game that aren't easily explained (at least by me), but it would be a huge stretch to say they're evidence of intention. For example, I have seen, many times over the years, a particular glitch where the ball at first appears to get by an outfielder--I see his player run past it and the ball rolling behind him--then, all of a sudden, you get that same glitch-in-the-Matrix effect and he actually has the ball. I've even run, some of the time, but I don't attribute that to some nefarious scheme on the part of SDS to goad me into running into an out to get my opponent back into the game.
Further, I'd be willing to bet that some of these hiccups work out in your favor, as in the ball appears to be going over the plate and then "jumps" to the side, favoring the pitcher instead of the batter, when it wouldn't fit the "forced parity" hypothesis. What's more, you can't say for sure what your opponent sees; nor can you speak to the quality of their connection...
There's a lot of variables at play, and I just think it's a stretch to jump the conclusions you're jumping to. Seems pretty random, to me.
