The 94 mph max pitcher challenge
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Are you good with pitchers that doesn't surpass 94 mph? Let's go.
Rules: None of your pitchers can surpass the 94mph max limit in the stats.
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@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Are you good with pitchers that doesn't surpass the 94 mph? Let's go.
Rules: None of your pitchers can surpass the 94mph max limit in the stats.
No one is, that’s why they ruined the game with outlier.
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@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Are you good with pitchers that doesn't surpass the 94 mph? Let's go.
Rules: None of your pitchers can surpass the 94mph max limit in the stats.
No one is, that’s why they ruined the game with outlier.
Thanks you.
That's all I wanted to know.
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What does Fernando top out at?
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@AlexTheGreater7_XBL said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
What does Fernando top out at?
Fernando is ok. I think he top 93mph 94 at times. And I think the stats says he is 92 mph so he is ok.
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Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
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@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
The game played fine without outlier
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@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
I have played a few guys that doesn't need an outlier to have a great game. I have enjoyed playing to them because it is pure skills in how they choose them pitches.
But trying to make every good by having an outlier is the worst thing to do in a baseball video game. A video game is about enjoyment, excitement.
It doesn't worth the frustration it to cause while playing unskilled player. -
@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Are you good with pitchers that doesn't surpass 94 mph? Let's go.
Rules: None of your pitchers can surpass the 94mph max limit in the stats.
Only one that really comes to mind is Dallas Keuchel.
I do pretty well with Sig Glavine but his 4seam/sinker can hit 96 so doesn't quite hit the topic criteria.
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@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
I have played a few guys that doesn't need an outlier to have a great game. I have enjoyed playing to them because it is pure skills in how they choose them pitches.
But trying to make every good by having an outlier is the worst thing to do in a baseball video game. A video game is about enjoyment, excitement.
It doesn't worth the frustration it to cause while playing unskilled player.Tbh it just sounds like you are being pretty elitist, using pitchers with outlier doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
And I forgot about Keuchel until the person above mentioned it, adored him, 2.14 ERA 0.71 WHIP, got him to P4
Using hitters with higher vision and higher contact means it's way easier to hit then ones with smaller PCI, doesn't mean you aren't skilled if you use those
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@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
I have played a few guys that doesn't need an outlier to have a great game. I have enjoyed playing to them because it is pure skills in how they choose them pitches.
But trying to make every good by having an outlier is the worst thing to do in a baseball video game. A video game is about enjoyment, excitement.
It doesn't worth the frustration it to cause while playing unskilled player.Tbh it just sounds like you are being pretty elitist, using pitchers with outlier doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Have to disagree, I have a hard time believing that since the introduction of outlier that the player base have improved their skills at pitcher. 90% of players just throw fastball, before outlier you had to think when pitching, now it’s “get anyone with outlier and throw fastball’s all game”.
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@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
I have played a few guys that doesn't need an outlier to have a great game. I have enjoyed playing to them because it is pure skills in how they choose them pitches.
But trying to make every good by having an outlier is the worst thing to do in a baseball video game. A video game is about enjoyment, excitement.
It doesn't worth the frustration it to cause while playing unskilled player.Tbh it just sounds like you are being pretty elitist, using pitchers with outlier doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Have to disagree, I have a hard time believing that since the introduction of outlier that the player base have improved their skills at pitcher. 90% of players just throw fastball, before outlier you had to think when pitching, now it’s “get anyone with outlier and throw fastball’s all game”.
What are you disagreeing with? You didn't address anything I said there or contradict anything I said, I didn't say that bad pitchers use fastballs to help themselves. I said using a outlier pitcher doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
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@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
I have played a few guys that doesn't need an outlier to have a great game. I have enjoyed playing to them because it is pure skills in how they choose them pitches.
But trying to make every good by having an outlier is the worst thing to do in a baseball video game. A video game is about enjoyment, excitement.
It doesn't worth the frustration it to cause while playing unskilled player.Tbh it just sounds like you are being pretty elitist, using pitchers with outlier doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Have to disagree, I have a hard time believing that since the introduction of outlier that the player base have improved their skills at pitcher. 90% of players just throw fastball, before outlier you had to think when pitching, now it’s “get anyone with outlier and throw fastball’s all game”.
What are you disagreeing with? You didn't address anything I said there or contradict anything I said, I didn't say that bad pitchers use fastballs to help themselves. I said using a outlier pitcher doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Ok and I think it does, prior to outlier being introduced you had to mix well, you couldn’t just rely on your pitchers throwing 102 mph for 12 innings. Top players still mix their pitches when using Nolan but nowhere near as much as they had to in years past. It’s boring “Oh look Nolan again, guess I’ll just sit high fastball for the 100th game in a row”.
I guess I can agree that using a pitcher with outlier doesn’t make you completely unskilled, but it certainly has lowered the skill ceiling.
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@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
I have played a few guys that doesn't need an outlier to have a great game. I have enjoyed playing to them because it is pure skills in how they choose them pitches.
But trying to make every good by having an outlier is the worst thing to do in a baseball video game. A video game is about enjoyment, excitement.
It doesn't worth the frustration it to cause while playing unskilled player.Tbh it just sounds like you are being pretty elitist, using pitchers with outlier doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Have to disagree, I have a hard time believing that since the introduction of outlier that the player base have improved their skills at pitcher. 90% of players just throw fastball, before outlier you had to think when pitching, now it’s “get anyone with outlier and throw fastball’s all game”.
What are you disagreeing with? You didn't address anything I said there or contradict anything I said, I didn't say that bad pitchers use fastballs to help themselves. I said using a outlier pitcher doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Ok and I think it does, prior to outlier being introduced you had to mix well, you couldn’t just rely on your pitchers throwing 102 mph for 12 innings. Top players still mix their pitches when using Nolan but nowhere near as much as they had to in years past. It’s boring “Oh look Nolan again, guess I’ll just sit high fastball for the 100th game in a row”.
I guess I can agree that using a pitcher with outlier doesn’t make you completely unskilled, but it certainly has lowered the skill ceiling.
So if you play someone and they absolutely dominate you with a lower then 94 mph pitcher, and then turn around and use an outlier pitcher, suddenly they become pretty much unskilled just because they loaded up with that pitcher afterwords?
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@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
I have played a few guys that doesn't need an outlier to have a great game. I have enjoyed playing to them because it is pure skills in how they choose them pitches.
But trying to make every good by having an outlier is the worst thing to do in a baseball video game. A video game is about enjoyment, excitement.
It doesn't worth the frustration it to cause while playing unskilled player.Tbh it just sounds like you are being pretty elitist, using pitchers with outlier doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Have to disagree, I have a hard time believing that since the introduction of outlier that the player base have improved their skills at pitcher. 90% of players just throw fastball, before outlier you had to think when pitching, now it’s “get anyone with outlier and throw fastball’s all game”.
What are you disagreeing with? You didn't address anything I said there or contradict anything I said, I didn't say that bad pitchers use fastballs to help themselves. I said using a outlier pitcher doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Ok and I think it does, prior to outlier being introduced you had to mix well, you couldn’t just rely on your pitchers throwing 102 mph for 12 innings. Top players still mix their pitches when using Nolan but nowhere near as much as they had to in years past. It’s boring “Oh look Nolan again, guess I’ll just sit high fastball for the 100th game in a row”.
I guess I can agree that using a pitcher with outlier doesn’t make you completely unskilled, but it certainly has lowered the skill ceiling.
So if you play someone and they absolutely dominate you with a lower then 94 mph pitcher, and then turn around and use an outlier pitcher, suddenly they become pretty much unskilled just because they loaded up with that pitcher afterwords?
I would certainly respect their skills far more if and when they dominate me with Greg Maddux or Fernando over them doing it with Nolan Ryan. Outlier has dropped the skill ceiling for pitching IMO, I have thought that since its introduction into the game, which IMO was a lazy response to complaints about pitch speeds in ‘18.
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@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@AlexTheGreater7_XBL said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
What does Fernando top out at?
Fernando is ok. I think he top 93mph 94 at times. And I think the stats says he is 92 mph so he is ok.
I thought he topped out at 95, but I can pitch pretty good with him. He is my 5th starter and will use him if one of my other guys is out real early. The rest of my rotation is 4 99's with outlier though. It started out with only a handful of guys getting it... Chapman, Ryan ect. Now everybody that can throw 95 gets it. It is definitely overpowered too.
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@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
I have played a few guys that doesn't need an outlier to have a great game. I have enjoyed playing to them because it is pure skills in how they choose them pitches.
But trying to make every good by having an outlier is the worst thing to do in a baseball video game. A video game is about enjoyment, excitement.
It doesn't worth the frustration it to cause while playing unskilled player.Tbh it just sounds like you are being pretty elitist, using pitchers with outlier doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Have to disagree, I have a hard time believing that since the introduction of outlier that the player base have improved their skills at pitcher. 90% of players just throw fastball, before outlier you had to think when pitching, now it’s “get anyone with outlier and throw fastball’s all game”.
What are you disagreeing with? You didn't address anything I said there or contradict anything I said, I didn't say that bad pitchers use fastballs to help themselves. I said using a outlier pitcher doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Ok and I think it does, prior to outlier being introduced you had to mix well, you couldn’t just rely on your pitchers throwing 102 mph for 12 innings. Top players still mix their pitches when using Nolan but nowhere near as much as they had to in years past. It’s boring “Oh look Nolan again, guess I’ll just sit high fastball for the 100th game in a row”.
I guess I can agree that using a pitcher with outlier doesn’t make you completely unskilled, but it certainly has lowered the skill ceiling.
So if you play someone and they absolutely dominate you with a lower then 94 mph pitcher, and then turn around and use an outlier pitcher, suddenly they become pretty much unskilled just because they loaded up with that pitcher afterwords?
I would certainly respect their skills far more if and when they dominate me with Greg Maddux or Fernando over them doing it with Nolan Ryan. Outlier has dropped the skill ceiling for pitching IMO, I have thought that since its introduction into the game which, IMO was a lazy response to complaints a out pitch speeds in ‘18.
But in my example, they first dominated you with Greg Maddux, then they played a second game against you and used Nolan Ryan, do they suddenly become pretty much unskilled in that second game? Does the mere act of using Nolan Ryan suddenly make him less skilled?
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@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
I have played a few guys that doesn't need an outlier to have a great game. I have enjoyed playing to them because it is pure skills in how they choose them pitches.
But trying to make every good by having an outlier is the worst thing to do in a baseball video game. A video game is about enjoyment, excitement.
It doesn't worth the frustration it to cause while playing unskilled player.Tbh it just sounds like you are being pretty elitist, using pitchers with outlier doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Have to disagree, I have a hard time believing that since the introduction of outlier that the player base have improved their skills at pitcher. 90% of players just throw fastball, before outlier you had to think when pitching, now it’s “get anyone with outlier and throw fastball’s all game”.
What are you disagreeing with? You didn't address anything I said there or contradict anything I said, I didn't say that bad pitchers use fastballs to help themselves. I said using a outlier pitcher doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Ok and I think it does, prior to outlier being introduced you had to mix well, you couldn’t just rely on your pitchers throwing 102 mph for 12 innings. Top players still mix their pitches when using Nolan but nowhere near as much as they had to in years past. It’s boring “Oh look Nolan again, guess I’ll just sit high fastball for the 100th game in a row”.
I guess I can agree that using a pitcher with outlier doesn’t make you completely unskilled, but it certainly has lowered the skill ceiling.
So if you play someone and they absolutely dominate you with a lower then 94 mph pitcher, and then turn around and use an outlier pitcher, suddenly they become pretty much unskilled just because they loaded up with that pitcher afterwords?
I think what he's trying to relay is that once SDS releases a card where the pitcher has an Outlier quirk (MS Ryan, FS Miller, AW Pedro just to name a few) all other pitcher cars will become obsolete because that's what is META.
I'm, and I'll assume the OP, not saying they should get rid of Outlier. But don't give it to everyone and their grandma.
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@BIG_PAPIx34_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@chekua_MLBTS said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
@eatyum_PSN said in The 94 mph max pitcher challenge:
Velocity gives less time to react, not saying that it's impossible to make non-outlier pitchers good in game, but it's absolutely a challenge trying to balance that.
I have played a few guys that doesn't need an outlier to have a great game. I have enjoyed playing to them because it is pure skills in how they choose them pitches.
But trying to make every good by having an outlier is the worst thing to do in a baseball video game. A video game is about enjoyment, excitement.
It doesn't worth the frustration it to cause while playing unskilled player.Tbh it just sounds like you are being pretty elitist, using pitchers with outlier doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Have to disagree, I have a hard time believing that since the introduction of outlier that the player base have improved their skills at pitcher. 90% of players just throw fastball, before outlier you had to think when pitching, now it’s “get anyone with outlier and throw fastball’s all game”.
What are you disagreeing with? You didn't address anything I said there or contradict anything I said, I didn't say that bad pitchers use fastballs to help themselves. I said using a outlier pitcher doesn't make you an unskilled pitcher
Ok and I think it does, prior to outlier being introduced you had to mix well, you couldn’t just rely on your pitchers throwing 102 mph for 12 innings. Top players still mix their pitches when using Nolan but nowhere near as much as they had to in years past. It’s boring “Oh look Nolan again, guess I’ll just sit high fastball for the 100th game in a row”.
I guess I can agree that using a pitcher with outlier doesn’t make you completely unskilled, but it certainly has lowered the skill ceiling.
So if you play someone and they absolutely dominate you with a lower then 94 mph pitcher, and then turn around and use an outlier pitcher, suddenly they become pretty much unskilled just because they loaded up with that pitcher afterwords?
I think what he's trying to relay is that once SDS releases a card where the pitcher has an Outlier quirk (MS Ryan, FS Miller, AW Pedro just to name a few) all other pitcher cars will become obsolete because that's what is META.
I'm, and I'll assume the OP, not saying they should get rid of Outlier. But don't give it to everyone and their grandma.
I never disagreed or said any of that information was wrong though, so what exactly is the disagreement he has?
And if you limit outlier, does that not just limit who is used? Then you get even less pitcher variety.
