The outer PCI conundrum
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Originally I was on the 'remove the outer PCI' train but after more thought I think they need to just shrink it rather than remove it completely.
If the outer PCI was fully removed here are some questions.
Would everything fully outside the PCI be a whiff?
Would pop ups and bloopers and weak contact be generated by swings with the ball inside the inner PCI?
Would everything in the PCI be a hit at the point?I have an idea for what to do but there are probably people on here with more coding knowledge or just general knowledge that can come up with better ideas or tell me if mine is stupid.
I think they need to shrink the outer PCI significantly instead of removing it. Max side of the outer PCI should be the size of a baseball, maybe 2 baseballs at maximum. Any thoughts?
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Remove outer PCI and have the inner represent the bat. Put the bat (PCI) on the ball like “real baseball”. Hits are determined by where you hit the ball in the PCI.
Reason why they might not change it….they’re too afraid of players failing too much and quitting the game. These UT games thrive on player retention and there’s things added to the game to fulfill that.
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@parradox-cam_psn said in The outer PCI conundrum:
Remove outer PCI and have the inner represent the bat. Put the bat (PCI) on the ball like “real baseball”. Hits are determined by where you hit the ball in the PCI.
Reason why they might not change it….they’re too afraid of players failing too much and quitting the game. These UT games thrive on player retention and there’s things added to the game to fulfill that.
I don't think that would work personally. First off it would mean redesigning the hitting engine from the ground up which will come with its own issues. Also if the PCI was actually the bat it would have to mean it was the exact same size for every batter and what would really determine hits is players attributes which would mean more of the RNG you love. To me making the PCI the bat would create more problems than it would fix.
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@kovz88_psn said in The outer PCI conundrum:
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Originally I was on the 'remove the outer PCI' train but after more thought I think they need to just shrink it rather than remove it completely.
Would everything fully outside the PCI be a whiff?
Yes should be a wiff
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@spc_garza_psn said in The outer PCI conundrum:
@kovz88_psn said in The outer PCI conundrum:
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Originally I was on the 'remove the outer PCI' train but after more thought I think they need to just shrink it rather than remove it completely.
Would everything fully outside the PCI be a whiff?
Yes should be a wiff
Ok, valid opinion. I'm not trying to say either side of the argument is right or wrong just trying to point out the consequences of every option. If everything outside the PCI is a whiff then that means all weak hits will be ones inside of the PCI. This would mean the areas for a good/perfect hit would have to be narrowed down. Those are what I think the consequences of making everything outside a whiff.
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Yes outside the pci should be a whiff. If this game is a simulation there should be many more swings and misses. There should be no reason I can have 100+ abs with a guy and 3 strikeouts
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@jacksonvance35_mlbts said in The outer PCI conundrum:
Yes outside the pci should be a whiff. If this game is a simulation there should be many more swings and misses. There should be no reason I can have 100+ abs with a guy and 3 strikeouts
I'm not arguing whether you're right or wrong but read my above statement responding to someone else saying the same thing. Are you ok with those trade offs? Do you think there is a better way to implement things after taking away the outer PCI?
I'm curious to see what suggestions people have for after taking the outer PCI away and how things should work.
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I agree, I don’t think removing it completely is the answer. Simply for the fact that you have to have guys like Boggs and Gwynn relevant. Joey Gallo should never be more useable than either of those guys. I do agree that it should be adjusted drastically. Not every hitter should have the outer pci and if they do it should be much smaller.
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It’s really not a problem on higher difficulties, but can be frustrating on AS or below. Shrinking it by an additional 25% on out of the zone pitches would likely work well.
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@kovz88_psn said in The outer PCI conundrum:
@jacksonvance35_mlbts said in The outer PCI conundrum:
Yes outside the pci should be a whiff. If this game is a simulation there should be many more swings and misses. There should be no reason I can have 100+ abs with a guy and 3 strikeouts
I'm not arguing whether you're right or wrong but read my above statement responding to someone else saying the same thing. Are you ok with those trade offs? Do you think there is a better way to implement things after taking away the outer PCI?
I'm curious to see what suggestions people have for after taking the outer PCI away and how things should work.
I understand what you’re saying. I know the pci “doesn’t represent the barrel” but I think it should and I think that’s where the frustration from most players come from. If the outer pci was gone, the pci could become the bat and those weak hits would be on the inside of the pci, just not centered. I really don’t believe the game will ever satisfy either competitive or simulation players wants because of the way the pci operates
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My issue is for example. I swing at a high inside pitch but I moved my pci down and hit X for a Normal swing. Inner pci and outer pci were not on the ball that should be a swing and miss for me no matter if you have Good timing
If the Main Pci is or on the opposite side of the plate or Vice versa Up or down of the pitch it should be a swing and miss.
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