For you stat geeks...
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In an earlier post, @SchnauzerFace posted:
"That’s because there are no decent pitchers in contemporary baseball. In fact, the last serviceable pitcher was John Clarkson, star of the Worcester Ruby Legs and inventor or the “drop-ball” pitch. His no hitter versus the Providence Grays was one of the most masterful outings of the mid-1880s."
You can find John's stats on the Baseball Reference site. Or, you can do what I do and download Lahman's baseball database at https://www.seanlahman.com/baseball-archive/statistics/
You can download it in an Access format or .csv. I actually used the .csv format and built a series of Pivot Tables, graphs, etc. to teach about 400 people in my company how to do basic data analytics in Excel.
Anyway, check it out.
John Clarkson had an epic year in 1889. Pitched 620 innings, 49 wins, 68 complete games. But, in looking at this spreadsheet, Old Hoss Radbourn's 1897 year was even more impressive. 680 IP, 60 wins, 73 games started, 73 complete games, 441k. I can't wait for his MLB22 Legend card with 250 stamina. By any measure, DeGrom is a wimp.
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Radbourn not only pitched 73 games, but he completed every single one of them. That’s impressive. I’m going to have to download this database! Thanks @arvcpa_PSN and @SchnauzerFace
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@blind_bleeder said in For you stat geeks...:
Radbourn not only pitched 73 games, but he completed every single one of them. That’s more impressive than Ryan. I’m going to have to download this database! Thanks @arvcpa_PSN and @SchnauzerFace
I also use retrosheet.org - I can spend hours clicking around randomly. They have box scores and play-by-play of most everything from the last 100 years.
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Cool! Thanks for the reference!
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wont find this in the stat sheets but a bunch of those games were double headers that he pitched both games. think i read that in his bio.
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@arvcpa_psn said in For you stat geeks...:
Old Hoss Radbourn's 1897 year was even more impressive.
Oops! He died in 1897. 1884 was the year he had 73 complete games. And, to @PAinPA_PSN 's point, Radborn started both ends of a doubleheader on May 30th, and then started AGAIN on May 31. The May 31 game went 10 innings, and he pitched the whole thing.
Pitch counts, my a**.
Although, he did die at 42. So...
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@arvcpa_psn said in For you stat geeks...:
In an earlier post, @SchnauzerFace posted:
"That’s because there are no decent pitchers in contemporary baseball. In fact, the last serviceable pitcher was John Clarkson, star of the Worcester Ruby Legs and inventor or the “drop-ball” pitch. His no hitter versus the Providence Grays was one of the most masterful outings of the mid-1880s."
You can find John's stats on the Baseball Reference site. Or, you can do what I do and download Lahman's baseball database at https://www.seanlahman.com/baseball-archive/statistics/
You can download it in an Access format or .csv. I actually used the .csv format and built a series of Pivot Tables, graphs, etc. to teach about 400 people in my company how to do basic data analytics in Excel.
Anyway, check it out.
John Clarkson had an epic year in 1889. Pitched 620 innings, 49 wins, 68 complete games. But, in looking at this spreadsheet, Old Hoss Radbourn's 1897 year was even more impressive. 680 IP, 60 wins, 73 games started, 73 complete games, 441k. I can't wait for his MLB22 Legend card with 250 stamina. By any measure, DeGrom is a wimp.
To an old school guy like John Clarkson, the likes of Charles Radbourn was nothing more than an arrogant, showy young whippersnapper who didn't respect the traditions of the game.
In particular, John Clarkson did not approve of the way Old Hoss Radbourn celebrated each strikeout by pilfering a fair maiden's hairpin, and then taking a long, healthy puff on a nutritious Dohm & Rosa brand cigar. Nor did Clarkson approve of Radbourn's new-age mustache that descended nary a fraction of an inch past his bottom lip.
With the factions of baseball traditionalists and baseball progressivists hopelessly split, the league introduced a new "Let the Kids Play" marketing campaign that was overseen by cutting-edge filmmaking luminaries Auguste and Louis Lumiere. And while the bat flip was still nearly a century away, noted slugger and 1895 home run champ Bill Joyce was often seen showing up opposing pitchers by riding his massive penny farthing around the bases after connecting with a no-doubter. Joyce, who mashed an unheard of 42 dingers between 1894-1896, was a brawny, muscular 5'10" & 168 lbs, so opposing pitchers dared not raise a fuss about his on-field antics.
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I've brought up Clarkson a couple times on here. Hes a legend to those who have played www.whatifsports.com
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@arvcpa_psn said in For you stat geeks...:
@blind_bleeder said in For you stat geeks...:
Radbourn not only pitched 73 games, but he completed every single one of them. That’s more impressive than Ryan. I’m going to have to download this database! Thanks @arvcpa_PSN and @SchnauzerFace
I also use retrosheet.org - I can spend hours clicking around randomly. They have box scores and play-by-play of most everything from the last 100 years.
These are great. I read a lot of baseball history as I imagine many others on here do but I usually stick to the World Series era circa 1903 and on. It's fun to go back and look at a retrospective of the game in the 19th century when it was completely different....and yet....still
️.I just read a great biography of Ty Cobb by Charles Leershen that dispels a lot of myths about him and now I'm reading 1954 by Bill Madden and those players are a lifetime away from these 19th century legends.
How about good Ole Candy Cummings? Inventor of the curveball and a perfect name for a stripp....I mean pitcher.
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