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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Then theoretically if I’m good enough at user input, I can bat .400 with any player. This is not an accurate representation of the sport of baseball.
On the contrary, it is the most accurate representation of the sport.
If you are great at input, then you have great results.
In RL that input is recognizing the pitch, adjusting your swing arc to meet the expected location of the pitch and timing your swing to connect at the optimal angle. That also happens to be an exact description of zone hitting in this game.
Seems pretty realistic to me.
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Then theoretically if I’m good enough at user input, I can bat .400 with any player. This is not an accurate representation of the sport of baseball.
On the contrary, it is the most accurate representation of the sport.
If you are great at input, then you have great results.
In RL that input is recognizing the pitch, adjusting your swing arc to meet the expected location of the pitch and timing your swing to connect at the optimal angle. That also happens to be an exact description of zone hitting in this game.
Seems pretty realistic to me.
Then you are not playing a game that represents the mlb and the players in it. You are playing a game that represents you. Once again, that’s not realistic, that’s arcade style.
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Then theoretically if I’m good enough at user input, I can bat .400 with any player. This is not an accurate representation of the sport of baseball.
On the contrary, it is the most accurate representation of the sport.
If you are great at input, then you have great results.
In RL that input is recognizing the pitch, adjusting your swing arc to meet the expected location of the pitch and timing your swing to connect at the optimal angle. That also happens to be an exact description of zone hitting in this game.
Seems pretty realistic to me.
Then you are not playing a game that represents the mlb and the players in it. You are playing a game that represents you. Once again, that’s not realistic, that’s arcade style.
I am playing a game with players from MLB that I control.
When I play Monopoly as the wheelbarrow I am still able to purchase real estate.
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
When you argue for more simulation and less user input it 100% matters how good you are at the game
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
When you argue for more simulation and less user input it 100% matters how good you are at the game
I couldn’t disagree more. Let’s be honest now, if I was undefeated you would still have your opinions and I would have mine. You act as if I’m going to have the ability to miraculously change your mind bc my record is better than yours. Good conversations though, you have your thoughts, I have mine.
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
When you argue for more simulation and less user input it 100% matters how good you are at the game
I couldn’t disagree more. Let’s be honest now, if I was undefeated you would still have your opinions and I would have mine. You act as if I’m going to have the ability to miraculously change your mind bc my record is better than yours. Good conversations though, you have your thoughts, I have mine.
Nah, people wouldn't look at your asinine point of more sim less user input as the ramblings of an average player wanting to compete more if your record was better...
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@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
When you argue for more simulation and less user input it 100% matters how good you are at the game
I couldn’t disagree more. Let’s be honest now, if I was undefeated you would still have your opinions and I would have mine. You act as if I’m going to have the ability to miraculously change your mind bc my record is better than yours. Good conversations though, you have your thoughts, I have mine.
Nah, people wouldn't look at your asinine point of more sim less user input as the ramblings of an average player wanting to compete more if your record was better...
Lol. Do you have to make WS to have a valid opinion in your mind? Or is the threshold at a lower division? Maybe have to go 12-0 to have a respectable opinions from your point of view?
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
When you argue for more simulation and less user input it 100% matters how good you are at the game
I couldn’t disagree more. Let’s be honest now, if I was undefeated you would still have your opinions and I would have mine. You act as if I’m going to have the ability to miraculously change your mind bc my record is better than yours. Good conversations though, you have your thoughts, I have mine.
Nah, people wouldn't look at your asinine point of more sim less user input as the ramblings of an average player wanting to compete more if your record was better...
Lol. Do you have to make WS to have a valid opinion in your mind? Or is the threshold at a lower division? Maybe have to go 12-0 to have a respectable opinions from your point of view?
Nope, but it's very telling when you have an opinion like this and you're not very good.
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@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
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@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
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@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
-
if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
When you argue for more simulation and less user input it 100% matters how good you are at the game
I couldn’t disagree more. Let’s be honest now, if I was undefeated you would still have your opinions and I would have mine. You act as if I’m going to have the ability to miraculously change your mind bc my record is better than yours. Good conversations though, you have your thoughts, I have mine.
Nah, people wouldn't look at your asinine point of more sim less user input as the ramblings of an average player wanting to compete more if your record was better...
Lol. Do you have to make WS to have a valid opinion in your mind? Or is the threshold at a lower division? Maybe have to go 12-0 to have a respectable opinions from your point of view?
Nope, but it's very telling when you have an opinion like this and you're not very good.
What division in your opinion is good?
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
When you argue for more simulation and less user input it 100% matters how good you are at the game
I couldn’t disagree more. Let’s be honest now, if I was undefeated you would still have your opinions and I would have mine. You act as if I’m going to have the ability to miraculously change your mind bc my record is better than yours. Good conversations though, you have your thoughts, I have mine.
Nah, people wouldn't look at your asinine point of more sim less user input as the ramblings of an average player wanting to compete more if your record was better...
Lol. Do you have to make WS to have a valid opinion in your mind? Or is the threshold at a lower division? Maybe have to go 12-0 to have a respectable opinions from your point of view?
Nope, but it's very telling when you have an opinion like this and you're not very good.
What division in your opinion is good?
Irrelevant as I don't think any division is good, if you make world series with a .500 record are you good? no, if it takes you 85 games to get to world series is that something that should be considered good? no.
If you're arguing for more sim and less user input and you have a record in the .500s hitting in the .250s it's very clear why you feel that way and no it has nothing to do with "realism"
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
When you argue for more simulation and less user input it 100% matters how good you are at the game
I couldn’t disagree more. Let’s be honest now, if I was undefeated you would still have your opinions and I would have mine. You act as if I’m going to have the ability to miraculously change your mind bc my record is better than yours. Good conversations though, you have your thoughts, I have mine.
Nah, people wouldn't look at your asinine point of more sim less user input as the ramblings of an average player wanting to compete more if your record was better...
Lol. Do you have to make WS to have a valid opinion in your mind? Or is the threshold at a lower division? Maybe have to go 12-0 to have a respectable opinions from your point of view?
Nope, but it's very telling when you have an opinion like this and you're not very good.
What division in your opinion is good?
Irrelevant as I don't think any division is good, if you make world series with a .500 record are you good? no, if it takes you 85 games to get to world series is that something that should be considered good? no.
If you're arguing for more sim and less user input and you have a record in the .500s hitting in the .250s it's very clear why you feel that way and no it has nothing to do with "realism"
Got it. Nobody’s opinion matters unless they are in the top 1% of players or their thoughts align with yours. I think I understand you now. Good day sir.
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
When you argue for more simulation and less user input it 100% matters how good you are at the game
I couldn’t disagree more. Let’s be honest now, if I was undefeated you would still have your opinions and I would have mine. You act as if I’m going to have the ability to miraculously change your mind bc my record is better than yours. Good conversations though, you have your thoughts, I have mine.
Nah, people wouldn't look at your asinine point of more sim less user input as the ramblings of an average player wanting to compete more if your record was better...
Lol. Do you have to make WS to have a valid opinion in your mind? Or is the threshold at a lower division? Maybe have to go 12-0 to have a respectable opinions from your point of view?
Nope, but it's very telling when you have an opinion like this and you're not very good.
What division in your opinion is good?
Irrelevant as I don't think any division is good, if you make world series with a .500 record are you good? no, if it takes you 85 games to get to world series is that something that should be considered good? no.
If you're arguing for more sim and less user input and you have a record in the .500s hitting in the .250s it's very clear why you feel that way and no it has nothing to do with "realism"
Got it. Nobody’s opinion matters unless they are in the top 1% of players or their thoughts align with yours. I think I understand you now. Good day sir.
Never said that at all, just said your opinion is based on you wanting to compete without actually having to get better, didn't say your opinion mattered more or less because of it.
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I believe you are referencing players that had poor plate discipline. Yes, it is possible to be more patient than that player was in real life, but for the game to be realistic there is no way you can have him hit for averages that he never came close to achieving in real life. If you don’t keep it realistic, than essentially every card is the same.
So Babe Ruth, should always be around .342 and 46 hrs because that was him in reality even though the real game completely changed since 1935. Makes sense.
This I agree with you becomes difficult because babe Ruth never faced today’s competition and vice versa. Some argue he wouldn’t even be a major league player into today’s game. If your going to have today’s players playing against players of the past, then you can do it one of two ways. Reference the numbers they put up back in their careers, or come up with a formula that you thought would accurately represent him into today’s game. I don’t think the latter is fair for players of the past bc they did not have the knowledge we do today about training.
So, we don't know what Babe Ruth would hit today right? So if we hit .400 with him in this game, what basis of comparison are you using to say that is not realistic?
We can't use his real life stats, because those are from a completely different era right?
I gave two options, using his stats he put up as a basis I think is a good idea bc he actually did that. Whatever formula we came up with to determine what he would do today, still didn’t really happen.
I used him as an example, but this is the case in the entire DD H2H world. Players from all different eras playing against each other, many of whom never faced each other.
So, how can we say whatever stats we get with them are "unrealistic" when there are no factual basis of comparisons?
You have to go off the numbers they actually put up.
Why? Not one of them had someone in their mind telling them what to do (except maybe Yogi Berra). They were not marionnettes subject to a user's whims.
If you enforce that their virtual stats must closely mirror their RL stats, then again I ask, what point is there in having a user input at all? It's basically The History Channel.
We discussed this already. Go back and read about decision making by the user.
Lol, you're "decision making" argument doesn't allow for the user to be a better decision maker and therefore achieve better results. Don't you see the contradiction?
I will spell it out:
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If I make better decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .400 with him.
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if I make worse decisions with Tony Gwynn, I should be able to hit .180 with him.
Both of these scenarios are completely dependent on my skill and are equally possible.
We had this discussion already. The decision making is what separates the users.
Yes, but according to you, that separation can only be so far, which doesn't make sense.
Yes, otherwise there would be no difference in cards (players).
But there is difference in cards, better card ratings = easier to produce better input = better results.
Correct, don't worry about it though, you're right he's wrong, he just wants to be able to compete without having to actually have skill.
I would never say I had skill at baseball bc I was good or bad at timing a meter in a video game.
You’re not good at the video game, because of that others shouldn’t be allowed to be good at the video game, we understand, participation trophies for everyone.
lol. You completely miss the point, it doesn’t matter how good I am at the game. You act as if my opinion matters more or less depending on my record. For the record though, I think I’m above .500, so I would say I’m right there in the middle of the pack.
When you argue for more simulation and less user input it 100% matters how good you are at the game
I couldn’t disagree more. Let’s be honest now, if I was undefeated you would still have your opinions and I would have mine. You act as if I’m going to have the ability to miraculously change your mind bc my record is better than yours. Good conversations though, you have your thoughts, I have mine.
Nah, people wouldn't look at your asinine point of more sim less user input as the ramblings of an average player wanting to compete more if your record was better...
Lol. Do you have to make WS to have a valid opinion in your mind? Or is the threshold at a lower division? Maybe have to go 12-0 to have a respectable opinions from your point of view?
Nope, but it's very telling when you have an opinion like this and you're not very good.
What division in your opinion is good?
Irrelevant as I don't think any division is good, if you make world series with a .500 record are you good? no, if it takes you 85 games to get to world series is that something that should be considered good? no.
If you're arguing for more sim and less user input and you have a record in the .500s hitting in the .250s it's very clear why you feel that way and no it has nothing to do with "realism"
Got it. Nobody’s opinion matters unless they are in the top 1% of players or their thoughts align with yours. I think I understand you now. Good day sir.
You always go to the extreme when you argue. Why is that? Is it because your point isn't valid unless you stretch what we are saying?
You keep saying we all ONLY want input to matter, and now you are saying we think only the 1% matter.
It's fairly obvious when someone keeps going to the extreme to make their case, that they don't have one at all.
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@TroyF said in The high sinker.:
At the end of the day, the sinker is a POWER pitch. Because of its name, people assume it's only a pitch thrown at the knees. That's not the way it is used in real life at all. The sinker is thrown just like a fastball, all over the strike zone. Up, down, in, out. When Arrieta won the Cy Young award, 48% of his sinkers were waist high or higher.
People talk like the sinker is a change up that needs to be thrown low in the zone to be effective. That isn't the case at all. I'm not saying you should be able to live up in the zone with it if you repeat it over and over, but you shouldn't live anywhere with ANY pitch over and over.
Which wouldn't be a problem IF you could actually see seams and pick up the spin on the ball. With the way the game currently plays, the high sinker looks and acts completely unrealistic and defies physics.
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I want both. I want input to matter about 50%. I also want the cards to matter. Everyone should play better with Kershaw than they do when they use a common, regardless of skill. However, the better arcade skilled player should be at an advantage if the cards being used are about equal. I find it hard to totally equate baseball skill with hitting a line with a red colored meter. That said, I guess it is the best way to add player input until VR baseball. So, if you are good at hitting that line with a red meter, don't fool yourself into thinking you are skilled at anything but hitting a line with a red meter. The best players should know baseball and have good input.
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I love competition and head to head. We just have different views on it. For me, I want the players I’m controlling to act like their real life counterparts. If I understand you correctly, no matter who you have on your team, you want to be completely responsible for any outcome. One is realistic gameplay, the other is arcade style gameplay. Both are fine, but cannot exist in the same space.
So a newbie with SS Kershaw should beat a hardcore with LS 83 gold P every time by your logic?
If he chooses the right pitches to throw at the right time and location, then more times than not he should put up a kershaw like performance. User input should be based on your decision making and baseball knowledge of players abilities. Obviously if the user knows nothing about baseball and throws every pitch down the pipe then he should get destroyed.
Wow
Hey, by his logic, I should be really good at this game. Somehow though, I still only hit like .249 this year. Huh.
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Also, on the comment about two seamers, I mean, correct me if I’m wrong but a sinker IS a two seamer FFS. It’s called a sinker when it is thrown down in the zone to induce ground balls right?
Why not just throw two seamers if you want to throw the dreaded high sinker? That’s what I do.
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@halfbutt said in The high sinker.:
Also, on the comment about two seamers, I mean, correct me if I’m wrong but a sinker IS a two seamer FFS. It’s called a sinker when it is thrown down in the zone to induce ground balls right?
Why not just throw two seamers if you want to throw the dreaded high sinker? That’s what I do.
A sinker is a version of a two seamer, same grip, but the finish in delivery is different.
Two seamers can run more side-to-side or even a bit up (shuuto), sink (sinker) or do a bit of both. It really depends on the pitcher.
Arrieta's runs more up while Cahill's sinks more, just based off slight differences in how their arm and hand works through the ball.
However in this game, I am not sure they account for the level of detail between the pitchers and different two seamers.
