Secondary pitch penalty
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@raesONE said in Secondary pitch penalty:
@halfbutt said in Secondary pitch penalty:
I think he is saying the “penalty” will still be there.
Gotcha.
Yup, exactly. They have shown that skill gap is not something they are in favor of.
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To answer the original question, no they didn’t mention it in any of the streams this year. Or if they did, my bad, I must have blinked and missed it.
Hopefully it’s gone and handled in a more realistic way.
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@Red_Ted_is_back said in Secondary pitch penalty:
To answer the original question, no they didn’t mention it in any of the streams this year. Or if they did, my bad, I must have blinked and missed it.
Hopefully it’s gone and handled in a more realistic way.
Thank you.
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The one thing they do continue to mention is they are trying make the gameplay more skill based. I might be the only one sold on that one though lol.
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@MrGamebred said in Secondary pitch penalty:
The one thing they do continue to mention is they are trying make the gameplay more skill based. I might be the only one sold on that one though lol.
I mean I do like what I've seen so far, this thread wasn't meant to be a negative Nancy. I was just wondering if this had changed and tried to explain my motivation behind the question. We'll see what happens, I'll play the game regardless.
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@halfbutt said in Secondary pitch penalty:
I mean, your point is valid to a certain extent, but no pitcher would only throw the slider or the curveball in the dirt over and over. I know we saw McCullers throw, what, like 12 consecutive deuces in the playoffs a couple years back, but that was quite exceptional, and many of them were in the zone for strikes.
The difference between RL baseball and video game baseball, in this case, is that it is WAY more difficult to recognize breaking pitches in the game.
I’m not really a fan of anything that changes the outcome of a pitch with good input, but if you want to only spam breaking stuff in the dirt, I don’t think you’re going to be successful, regardless. Sooner or later you’ll have to throw a strike.
Way more difficult to recongize pitches in a game then RL LOL. Yeah Major leaguers have it easy, Video games are where real men play.
Yes, if a Major League pitcher knew that no batter could lay off or touch one certain pitch every time, he would never throw anything else. No buts, no exceptions. That is what would happen.
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@raesONE said in Secondary pitch penalty:
I mean I do like what I've seen so far, this thread wasn't meant to be a negative Nancy. I was just wondering if this had changed and tried to explain my motivation behind the question. We'll see what happens, I'll play the game regardless.
Its a valid question for sure and definitely interesting discussion.
On the 11th we got the dev tourney going on all day though, so we can get a sneak peak on how it plays. Everything from the beta made me pretty optimistic on the pitching. -
@eatyum said in Secondary pitch penalty:
@halfbutt said in Secondary pitch penalty:
I mean, your point is valid to a certain extent, but no pitcher would only throw the slider or the curveball in the dirt over and over. I know we saw McCullers throw, what, like 12 consecutive deuces in the playoffs a couple years back, but that was quite exceptional, and many of them were in the zone for strikes.
The difference between RL baseball and video game baseball, in this case, is that it is WAY more difficult to recognize breaking pitches in the game.
I’m not really a fan of anything that changes the outcome of a pitch with good input, but if you want to only spam breaking stuff in the dirt, I don’t think you’re going to be successful, regardless. Sooner or later you’ll have to throw a strike.
Way more difficult to recongize pitches in a game then RL LOL. Yeah Major leaguers have it easy, Video games are where real men play.
Yes, if a Major League pitcher knew that no batter could lay off or touch one certain pitch every time, he would never throw anything else. No buts, no exceptions. That is what would happen.
I’m just repeating what I have heard people that have actually played baseball at a higher level say. Why the hostility?
Personally, I can’t see seams of the baseball at all when playing the game.
To say, “no buts or exceptions, this is what a Major League Baseball pitcher would do” is also kind of irrelevant. The OP was talking about spamming pitches in the dirt. Did I touch a nerve or something?
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@halfbutt said in Secondary pitch penalty:
@eatyum said in Secondary pitch penalty:
@halfbutt said in Secondary pitch penalty:
I mean, your point is valid to a certain extent, but no pitcher would only throw the slider or the curveball in the dirt over and over. I know we saw McCullers throw, what, like 12 consecutive deuces in the playoffs a couple years back, but that was quite exceptional, and many of them were in the zone for strikes.
The difference between RL baseball and video game baseball, in this case, is that it is WAY more difficult to recognize breaking pitches in the game.
I’m not really a fan of anything that changes the outcome of a pitch with good input, but if you want to only spam breaking stuff in the dirt, I don’t think you’re going to be successful, regardless. Sooner or later you’ll have to throw a strike.
Way more difficult to recongize pitches in a game then RL LOL. Yeah Major leaguers have it easy, Video games are where real men play.
Yes, if a Major League pitcher knew that no batter could lay off or touch one certain pitch every time, he would never throw anything else. No buts, no exceptions. That is what would happen.
I’m just repeating what I have heard people that have actually played baseball at a higher level say. Why the hostility?
Personally, I can’t see seams of the baseball at all when playing the game.
To say, “no buts or exceptions, this is what a Major League Baseball pitcher would do” is also kind of irrelevant. The OP was talking about spamming pitches in the dirt. Did I touch a nerve or something?
It's not irrelevant. If a pitcher in RL was guaranteed a swing and a miss on every pitch in the dirt, he would do so.
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@halfbutt said in Secondary pitch penalty:
@eatyum said in Secondary pitch penalty:
@halfbutt said in Secondary pitch penalty:
I mean, your point is valid to a certain extent, but no pitcher would only throw the slider or the curveball in the dirt over and over. I know we saw McCullers throw, what, like 12 consecutive deuces in the playoffs a couple years back, but that was quite exceptional, and many of them were in the zone for strikes.
The difference between RL baseball and video game baseball, in this case, is that it is WAY more difficult to recognize breaking pitches in the game.
I’m not really a fan of anything that changes the outcome of a pitch with good input, but if you want to only spam breaking stuff in the dirt, I don’t think you’re going to be successful, regardless. Sooner or later you’ll have to throw a strike.
Way more difficult to recongize pitches in a game then RL LOL. Yeah Major leaguers have it easy, Video games are where real men play.
Yes, if a Major League pitcher knew that no batter could lay off or touch one certain pitch every time, he would never throw anything else. No buts, no exceptions. That is what would happen.
I’m just repeating what I have heard people that have actually played baseball at a higher level say. Why the hostility?
Personally, I can’t see seams of the baseball at all when playing the game.
To say, “no buts or exceptions, this is what a Major League Baseball pitcher would do” is also kind of irrelevant. The OP was talking about spamming pitches in the dirt. Did I touch a nerve or something?
Technically I wasn't talking about spamming pitches in the dirt per se, I'd understand they would sometimes not get blocked by a catcher. I'm talking about throwing offspeed exclusively if that is what my opponent can not touch without being penalized in any way.
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@eatyum said in Secondary pitch penalty:
@halfbutt said in Secondary pitch penalty:
@eatyum said in Secondary pitch penalty:
@halfbutt said in Secondary pitch penalty:
I mean, your point is valid to a certain extent, but no pitcher would only throw the slider or the curveball in the dirt over and over. I know we saw McCullers throw, what, like 12 consecutive deuces in the playoffs a couple years back, but that was quite exceptional, and many of them were in the zone for strikes.
The difference between RL baseball and video game baseball, in this case, is that it is WAY more difficult to recognize breaking pitches in the game.
I’m not really a fan of anything that changes the outcome of a pitch with good input, but if you want to only spam breaking stuff in the dirt, I don’t think you’re going to be successful, regardless. Sooner or later you’ll have to throw a strike.
Way more difficult to recongize pitches in a game then RL LOL. Yeah Major leaguers have it easy, Video games are where real men play.
Yes, if a Major League pitcher knew that no batter could lay off or touch one certain pitch every time, he would never throw anything else. No buts, no exceptions. That is what would happen.
I’m just repeating what I have heard people that have actually played baseball at a higher level say. Why the hostility?
Personally, I can’t see seams of the baseball at all when playing the game.
To say, “no buts or exceptions, this is what a Major League Baseball pitcher would do” is also kind of irrelevant. The OP was talking about spamming pitches in the dirt. Did I touch a nerve or something?
It's not irrelevant. If a pitcher in RL was guaranteed a swing and a miss on every pitch in the dirt, he would do so.
This is 100% accurate
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I guess we will see. I have said before that it makes more sense to me to use pitchers with, say, curveballs as primary pitches if you want to throw that high a percentage of breaking pitches. Does Lance McCullers have a deuce as a primary?
That said, as I mentioned in my other elephant thread, I’m not a huge fan of something altering your input to overly randomize a result. If you want to spam offspeed secondary pitches, I hope you can do that and leave the outcome to your opponent’s discipline.
It does make sense to me that it should be more difficult to do so with a pitcher who is less proficient with offspeed pitches though.
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