Making starters relievers??
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@Sayjinman said in Making starters relievers??:
How do you bring in starters for relief? I only see relief pitchers when I open the bullpen menu during a game
R1 to cycle menu to starters whe you go to pen
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How about just giving relievers fill stamina instead of them being in yellow after 2 pitches? I would be much more willing to bring in relievers knowing they might be able to last more than half a batter
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@Kovz88 said in Making starters relievers??:
Does it such facing starters out of the pen? Yes. Do teams do it in real life? Also yes. If its a do or die or elimination game teams pull out all the stops. If its done on the field in real life we should be able to do it in game.
with that mindset you should not be able to throw 102 mph sinkers chin high for strikes
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@T-Rox_09 said in Making starters relievers??:
@Kovz88 said in Making starters relievers??:
Does it such facing starters out of the pen? Yes. Do teams do it in real life? Also yes. If its a do or die or elimination game teams pull out all the stops. If its done on the field in real life we should be able to do it in game.
with that mindset you should not be able to throw 102 mph sinkers chin high for strikes
Dude no one does this in baseball except in the playoffs and maybe once or twice in an 18 inning game.
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@ayman718 said in Making starters relievers??:
@T-Rox_09 said in Making starters relievers??:
@Kovz88 said in Making starters relievers??:
Does it such facing starters out of the pen? Yes. Do teams do it in real life? Also yes. If its a do or die or elimination game teams pull out all the stops. If its done on the field in real life we should be able to do it in game.
with that mindset you should not be able to throw 102 mph sinkers chin high for strikes
Dude no one does this in baseball except in the playoffs and maybe once or twice in an 18 inning game.
I agree but there are people defending it saying if they do in a real baseball then it should be allowed. The only time that's ever done is do-or-die situations in the postseason. The fact that you could have three or four starters pitch every single game is absurd. There should be some sort of penalty for using a starter in a game. With the way this game is set up you can pitch your top three starters every game for three innings and never even touch your bullpen.
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It's really crazy that they enabled the option to bring in a SP as a reliever in the game this year, especially since now the 3 batter rule is a thing, people don't burn through their pen as fast as in previous years
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My favorite is when the person I am playing goes Kluber Hal Oswalt I am so sick of seeing those three pitchers it’s ridiculous... played 6 games tonight and 5 were kluber, i mean come on
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Starting pitchers need lower energy regeneration and relief pitchers need higher energy regeneration. I used Eckersley for 2 innings and he couldn't pitch again for about 4 nine inning games. The game almost forces you to use starting pitchers in relief at times.
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I like the feature because it allows for openers and since every RS game is like a playoffs game anyway we should be able to treat it as such. However, SPs are not used to pitching on short rest so I think it might make sense if they took a bigger effectiveness hit when they come in without full stamina. By the way, that should go for relief appearances and starts too, so any SP that starts with less than 100% energy should be less effective and take more of a hit the less energy they have to start
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@Vipersneak said in Making starters relievers??:
Starting pitchers need lower energy regeneration and relief pitchers need higher energy regeneration. I used Eckersley for 2 innings and he couldn't pitch again for about 4 nine inning games. The game almost forces you to use starting pitchers in relief at times.
This - that's how things work in real life for the most part. It's realistic for a reliever to throw 10-15 pitches on three consecutive days, but starters arms just don't do that.
The other thing we need to see is for lowered stamina to have a greater impact on velo, break, and location. It shouldn't be possible, no matter your skill level, to dot breaking balls at max efficiency with "out of energy" pitchers.
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@Ikasnu said in Making starters relievers??:
Imo it's a great idea. However they need to reduce stamina regeneration by at least 50%
Yes, this is the problem, there needs to be consequences for doing it, not just take it away. I dont do it online, because its frowned upon, but I like it offline vs CPU.
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@T-Rox_09 said in Making starters relievers??:
@ZJennings365 said in Making starters relievers??:
Played a guy in the Event earlier that threw 4 SP at me. DeGrom Sale Verlander Kluber.
Lol ridiculous
I don’t think it’s as ridiculous in the event considering the stupid 3 batter rule that wasn’t scaled down for a 3 inning game.
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@janoosh said in Making starters relievers??:
@T-Rox_09 said in Making starters relievers??:
@ZJennings365 said in Making starters relievers??:
Played a guy in the Event earlier that threw 4 SP at me. DeGrom Sale Verlander Kluber.
Lol ridiculous
I don’t think it’s as ridiculous in the event considering the stupid 3 batter rule that wasn’t scaled down for a 3 inning game.
I'm talking about rank seasons 9 inning games
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My idea regarding starting pitchers in relief is to eliminate the ability to bring in a guy from your rotation, but to compensate for this allow the long relief slot to be filled by a starter. Slow starter regeneration rate and have the long relief slot act the same as a starting pitcher in regeneration sense.
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Theoretically I guess I could probably use 9 pitchers every game, and just keep the 5th starter for an extra inning game in case it goes 17 innings or something. Hmm...
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I think they could fix the issue by giving starting pitchers a separate "Relief Pitcher" energy bar. If used in relief they are subject to the same low energy given to relief pitchers. You could use them in relief for an inning or 2, and still have them as starters, but you would not be able to use them in relief every game like it is now. Right now I can use a starter in relief every game if I want.
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So when a starter is used in relief, they would lose energy on both bars, but the energy given them in a game as a relief pitcher would come from the relief energy bar. Conversely, when used as a starter the energy given to them would come from their starter energy bar. So, I guess starting pitchers would need two stamina ratings. One as a starter and a lower one as a relief pitcher.
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@Vipersneak said in Making starters relievers??:
So when a starter is used in relief, they would lose energy on both bars, but the energy given them in a game as a relief pitcher would come from the relief energy bar.
so then let's throw realism out the window. You could have Corey kluber pitch seven innings and then the next game he can pitch three innings relief it's so ridiculous and during the same game is starting pitcher energy would be rejuvenating.
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@T-Rox_09 said in Making starters relievers??:
@Vipersneak said in Making starters relievers??:
So when a starter is used in relief, they would lose energy on both bars, but the energy given them in a game as a relief pitcher would come from the relief energy bar.
so then let's throw realism out the window. You could have Corey kluber pitch seven innings and then the next game he can pitch three innings relief it's so ridiculous and during the same game is starting pitcher energy would be rejuvenating.
No. He would lose his relief energy as well when starting.
