2nd inning predictions
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@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@Rbase_96 said in 2nd inning predictions:
From 1991-1993 Joe Carter hit 100 home runs, finished 5th, 3rd and 12th in the MVP voting respectively and won 2 silver sluggers. And of course he helped Toronto to consecutive world series rings, capped of by one of the most iconic home runs ever. I'd say that's certainly good enough for a prime card and early boss, despite the fact that he's not an all-time great.
He also only had an average 117 wRC+ during those 3 years, which is nothing special.
His career wRC+ is 102, almost the definition of an average player.
Why all the Joe Carter hate? Are you a Phillies fan?
Don’t hate joe carter, he just happens to be a prime example of a player that wasn’t very good but people will stubbornly say was good.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@Rbase_96 said in 2nd inning predictions:
From 1991-1993 Joe Carter hit 100 home runs, finished 5th, 3rd and 12th in the MVP voting respectively and won 2 silver sluggers. And of course he helped Toronto to consecutive world series rings, capped of by one of the most iconic home runs ever. I'd say that's certainly good enough for a prime card and early boss, despite the fact that he's not an all-time great.
He also only had an average 117 wRC+ during those 3 years, which is nothing special.
His career wRC+ is 102, almost the definition of an average player.
Why all the Joe Carter hate? Are you a Phillies fan?
Don’t hate joe carter, he just happens to be a prime example of a player that wasn’t very good but people will stubbornly say was good.
Fair enough. He was never amazing. But he did have plenty of good years. I just noticed that you've been pretty adamant about Joe Carter being overrated on these forums, that's why I asked.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@Rbase_96 said in 2nd inning predictions:
From 1991-1993 Joe Carter hit 100 home runs, finished 5th, 3rd and 12th in the MVP voting respectively and won 2 silver sluggers. And of course he helped Toronto to consecutive world series rings, capped of by one of the most iconic home runs ever. I'd say that's certainly good enough for a prime card and early boss, despite the fact that he's not an all-time great.
He also only had an average 117 wRC+ during those 3 years, which is nothing special.
I know. The OPS is also good-but-not-great. The point is that during his prime he was a good player who was highly valued and helped his team win. No-one argues that he's comparable to Ted Williams, Babe Ruth and Stan Musial. He's in the Jimmy Rollins, Alex Gordon, Pablo Sandoval etc. kind of category. Good players on championship teams.
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@Rbase_96 said in 2nd inning predictions:
From 1991-1993 Joe Carter hit 100 home runs, finished 5th, 3rd and 12th in the MVP voting respectively and won 2 silver sluggers. And of course he helped Toronto to consecutive world series rings, capped of by one of the most iconic home runs ever. I'd say that's certainly good enough for a prime card and early boss, despite the fact that he's not an all-time great.
Don’t mind drivebytrucker, he hates Carter so much I suspect he’s her mom’s baby mama but never talked to him and she never got child support
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@AfackinI said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@e_tough said in 2nd inning predictions:
I bet joe carter and bob feller are two
Of the bossesSDS would never make joe carter a boss, that’s ridiculous, he wasn’t good enough.
Oh wait...
Oh no...These truly are dark times.
He did hit possibly one of coolest most hype homers ever...
exactly and thank you for saying this - ppl who weren't even alive at the time of that HR commenting like they know the Carter Magic
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@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@Rbase_96 said in 2nd inning predictions:
From 1991-1993 Joe Carter hit 100 home runs, finished 5th, 3rd and 12th in the MVP voting respectively and won 2 silver sluggers. And of course he helped Toronto to consecutive world series rings, capped of by one of the most iconic home runs ever. I'd say that's certainly good enough for a prime card and early boss, despite the fact that he's not an all-time great.
He also only had an average 117 wRC+ during those 3 years, which is nothing special.
His career wRC+ is 102, almost the definition of an average player.
Why all the Joe Carter hate? Are you a Phillies fan?
Jack,
I was thinking the same thing, then I went to his baseball-reference page.
OMG, his numbers are VERY average. My memories of him do not line up with his numbers.A Career WAR of 19.6
An OPS+ of 105 for his career.
A career slash line of .259/.306/.464If you just look at the numbers and forget the Mitch Williams HR, the dude was average. I originally thought he was a good, perennial All Star, but he wasn't even that. He made the All Star team 5 times.
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Joe carters “prime season” which earned him a 93, he finished with an OPS+ stat in the low 120’s, meaning he was above average but not spectacular. Definition of a low diamond imo
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@ItsaCanesthing said in 2nd inning predictions:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@Rbase_96 said in 2nd inning predictions:
From 1991-1993 Joe Carter hit 100 home runs, finished 5th, 3rd and 12th in the MVP voting respectively and won 2 silver sluggers. And of course he helped Toronto to consecutive world series rings, capped of by one of the most iconic home runs ever. I'd say that's certainly good enough for a prime card and early boss, despite the fact that he's not an all-time great.
He also only had an average 117 wRC+ during those 3 years, which is nothing special.
His career wRC+ is 102, almost the definition of an average player.
Why all the Joe Carter hate? Are you a Phillies fan?
Jack,
I was thinking the same thing, then I went to his baseball-reference page.
OMG, his numbers are VERY average. My memories of him do not line up with his numbers.A Career WAR of 19.6
An OPS+ of 105 for his career.
A career slash line of .259/.306/.464If you just look at the numbers and forget the Mitch Williams HR, the dude was average. I originally thought he was a good, perennial All Star, but he wasn't even that. He made the All Star team 5 times.
DrivebyTrucker is correct on this one.Oh yeah, I agree for sure. Joe Carter is overrated. I was just wondering why DriveBy was so active in the Joe Carter discussion on these forums. DriveBy seems to hate Carter more than others, that's why I asked.
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@FranklinSabers16 said in 2nd inning predictions:
Joe carters “prime season” which earned him a 93, he finished with an OPS+ stat in the low 120’s, meaning he was above average but not spectacular. Definition of a low diamond imo
Yep, but plenty of diamonds in this game that don’t deserve one. He’s not the exception here. Plus the 90’s-early 00’s theme this year also explains it.
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@ItsaCanesthing said in 2nd inning predictions:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@Rbase_96 said in 2nd inning predictions:
From 1991-1993 Joe Carter hit 100 home runs, finished 5th, 3rd and 12th in the MVP voting respectively and won 2 silver sluggers. And of course he helped Toronto to consecutive world series rings, capped of by one of the most iconic home runs ever. I'd say that's certainly good enough for a prime card and early boss, despite the fact that he's not an all-time great.
He also only had an average 117 wRC+ during those 3 years, which is nothing special.
His career wRC+ is 102, almost the definition of an average player.
Why all the Joe Carter hate? Are you a Phillies fan?
Jack,
I was thinking the same thing, then I went to his baseball-reference page.
OMG, his numbers are VERY average. My memories of him do not line up with his numbers.A Career WAR of 19.6
An OPS+ of 105 for his career.
A career slash line of .259/.306/.464If you just look at the numbers and forget the Mitch Williams HR, the dude was average. I originally thought he was a good, perennial All Star, but he wasn't even that. He made the All Star team 5 times.
DrivebyTrucker is correct on this one.Thank you for being reasonable, and not basing your opinion solely on RBI and one homerun
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@Rbase_96 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in 2nd inning predictions:
@Rbase_96 said in 2nd inning predictions:
From 1991-1993 Joe Carter hit 100 home runs, finished 5th, 3rd and 12th in the MVP voting respectively and won 2 silver sluggers. And of course he helped Toronto to consecutive world series rings, capped of by one of the most iconic home runs ever. I'd say that's certainly good enough for a prime card and early boss, despite the fact that he's not an all-time great.
He also only had an average 117 wRC+ during those 3 years, which is nothing special.
I know. The OPS is also good-but-not-great. The point is that during his prime he was a good player who was highly valued and helped his team win. No-one argues that he's comparable to Ted Williams, Babe Ruth and Stan Musial. He's in the Jimmy Rollins, Alex Gordon, Pablo Sandoval etc. kind of category. Good players on championship teams.
(And the fact that everyone knows that 1 homerun helps a lot)I have no issues with him having a diamond card, but his best should be the 87 postseason card from last year.
93 Carter could possibly be the most unrealistic card in the entire game.
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He was a super consistent above average hitter that had a penchant for coming through when it matters. Definitely 93 is way high, the 87 is probably pretty close to where he should be, but there's a lot of cards that are higher than they should be. I dont really understand why the sharks always come out for Joe.
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Carter was a good player that came through in clutch situations. Glad hes in the game, same with Hanley. But for either of them to have the same rating as Feller is laughable.
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