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@yankblan_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
Guardians refer to the Hope Memorial Bridge, not the movie. People say stupid, but if you look at names that we’ve grown accustomed to, they’re pretty bad: Cubs, Sox, Nationals, or plain inaccurate: Lakers, Jazz
Brewers gotta be the top of the dumb list. Like hey we mBrewers and coffee, we are the brewers.
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@untchable704_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
@kovz88_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
A lot of people who probably call others snowflakes sure seem [censored] hurt by a team deciding to change their name out of respect for the people who are part of the effected group who have protested against it.
I can agree the name and logo are bad but am totally down with the changeMeh. Y’all like to use the term loosely. Like when you start crying that a syrup you’ve been eating for 20 years is now somehow racist because somebody dug up some random garbage and then I respond well that’s pretty stupid and youre like “wHoS tHe SnOwFlAkE nOw”. Yea, still you.
No one is offended until they are told or paid to be offended.
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@poksey_mlbts said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
@yankblan_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
Guardians refer to the Hope Memorial Bridge, not the movie. People say stupid, but if you look at names that we’ve grown accustomed to, they’re pretty bad: Cubs, Sox, Nationals, or plain inaccurate: Lakers, Jazz
The Lakers and Jazz are due to franchises relocating. They would have had new names/tweaks if it would happen today, so I agree with you there. I dont see any issue with Cubs though? I'm not sure why you think that is a bad nickname.
Might as well be the kittens or the pups
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Everyone calling the name change cancel culture in this thread clearly doesn't even understand the definition of cancel culture. This isn't some TV host having to resign over making an absurd comment.
The Indians changing their name has been coming for a long, long time, just like the Redskins. This isn't a university using the name of a tribe with permission and respecting the name. It's a little different when your entire team history is built around a funny caricature of an actual group of oppressed people.
All that being said, Guardians is a terrible replacement.
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@kingakp_xbl said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
This isn't really cancel culture IMO. It was time. Some of those other teams have the blessing to use the name and likeness that they do. The broad term Indians isn't really appreciated by Native Americans. Its time they change it. Same with the Redskins. I realize most Americans have no real idea what our indigenous people have went through over the years and thats ok, but acting like their opinions or voices don't matter is simply racism. I think its good that Cleveland has decided to move away from that name. Its out of respect, not cancel culture.
I don’t see how y’all don’t understand this.
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@t-rox_09_mlbts said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
@yankblan_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
Guardians refer to the Hope Memorial Bridge, not the movie. People say stupid, but if you look at names that we’ve grown accustomed to, they’re pretty bad: Cubs, Sox, Nationals, or plain inaccurate: Lakers, Jazz
Brewers gotta be the top of the dumb list. Like hey we mBrewers and coffee, we are the brewers.
At least there’s a relation to the city’s history is what I’m saying. You can not like it, doesn’t bother me like you are bothered by Cleveland’s decision to remove the name Indians. How will your life be impacted by it?
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Absolutely awful, corniest name possible
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@yankblan_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
@poksey_mlbts said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
@yankblan_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
Guardians refer to the Hope Memorial Bridge, not the movie. People say stupid, but if you look at names that we’ve grown accustomed to, they’re pretty bad: Cubs, Sox, Nationals, or plain inaccurate: Lakers, Jazz
The Lakers and Jazz are due to franchises relocating. They would have had new names/tweaks if it would happen today, so I agree with you there. I dont see any issue with Cubs though? I'm not sure why you think that is a bad nickname.
Might as well be the kittens or the pups
It's bad because it's a young version of an animal? Man, I dont agree with that. If your saying it's bad because its not menacing, looks no further than our Packers and Brewers.
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There are very few sports team names that actually make sense. That being said Guardians was a bad choice IMO
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Guardians? Guardians of what, exactly? I feel like there's a better name they could use... oh, that's right! Cleveland Indians!
I'm not even an Indians fan and it sucks. Now I have to deal with this PC name every time my Tigers play them—being in the same division, it will be all the time.
I despise it when long history is just thrown out the window because it doesn't conform to today's standards. It's like saying that George Washington was a terrible leader because he didn't practice good dental hygiene. It is unfair to judge the past that way. I understand the discontinuation of the Chief Wahoo logo (pardon my usage of the term, I'm just saying it to be specific and clear), but this name change feels like stripping the Indians of their storied legacy. Feels like they're a brand new team with nothing to their name now.
It hurts Cleveland fans more than anything else, not being able to identify with their team anymore. From a consumer advocate perspective, it's unjust that they are deciding what's best for the fans without consulting their fans first. That's how you lose fans and revenue.
Ironically, all the Indians merchandise is going to skyrocket in value on Ebay.
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@yankblan_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
Guardians refer to the Hope Memorial Bridge, not the movie. People say stupid, but if you look at names that we’ve grown accustomed to, they’re pretty bad: Cubs, Sox, Nationals, or plain inaccurate: Lakers, Jazz
They will always be the Marquette Warriors to me. And they say it is stupid because it is. Name it after a statue of traffic to not upset anyone........
On behalf of everyone the guardians of traffic are not watching over......I am offended.
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I heard Cleveland hired Kevin James to be the mascot and to come out on his Segue to get the crowd pumped up. Cleveland Mall Cops.
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@yankblan_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
@t-rox_09_mlbts said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
@yankblan_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
Guardians refer to the Hope Memorial Bridge, not the movie. People say stupid, but if you look at names that we’ve grown accustomed to, they’re pretty bad: Cubs, Sox, Nationals, or plain inaccurate: Lakers, Jazz
Brewers gotta be the top of the dumb list. Like hey we mBrewers and coffee, we are the brewers.
At least there’s a relation to the city’s history is what I’m saying. You can not like it, doesn’t bother me like you are bothered by Cleveland’s decision to remove the name Indians. How will your life be impacted by it?
I couldn't care less. Its still a garbage organization with little future.
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@Untchable704_PSN
Only people I've seen crying about syrup are the people crying about the change after the company itself decided to change it. Anytime a company changes something by choice doesn't make everything "CanCeL CuLtuRe". Grow up dude -
@tossgawd_xbl said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
@kingakp_xbl said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
This isn't really cancel culture IMO. It was time. Some of those other teams have the blessing to use the name and likeness that they do. The broad term Indians isn't really appreciated by Native Americans. Its time they change it. Same with the Redskins. I realize most Americans have no real idea what our indigenous people have went through over the years and thats ok, but acting like their opinions or voices don't matter is simply racism. I think its good that Cleveland has decided to move away from that name. Its out of respect, not cancel culture.
I don’t see how y’all don’t understand this.
Isn't it amazing?
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@kovz88_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
@Untchable704_PSN
Only people I've seen crying about syrup are the people crying about the change after the company itself decided to change it. Anytime a company changes something by choice doesn't make everything "CanCeL CuLtuRe". Grow up dudeAhh so you have head in the sand syndrome. You must be real popular on twitter.
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@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
Guardians? Guardians of what, exactly? I feel like there's a better name they could use... oh, that's right! Cleveland Indians!
I'm not even an Indians fan and it sucks. Now I have to deal with this PC name every time my Tigers play them—being in the same division, it will be all the time.
I despise it when long history is just thrown out the window because it doesn't conform to today's standards. It's like saying that George Washington was a terrible leader because he didn't practice good dental hygiene. It is unfair to judge the past that way. I understand the discontinuation of the Chief Wahoo logo (pardon my usage of the term, I'm just saying it to be specific and clear), but this name change feels like stripping the Indians of their storied legacy. Feels like they're a brand new team with nothing to their name now.
I think one of the problems with the name itself is that we weren't even calling them what they were. They're not Indians, they're native americans.
Natives imo would of been a better name for the team, but I know they don't want to represent a group of people. -
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Yes because Native people have been protesting it every year for a while just like with the Redskins. If twitter is the end all be all for your information I cna honestly say it doesn't surprise me -
@ikasnu_psn said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Cleveland Gaurdians:
Guardians? Guardians of what, exactly? I feel like there's a better name they could use... oh, that's right! Cleveland Indians!
I'm not even an Indians fan and it sucks. Now I have to deal with this PC name every time my Tigers play them—being in the same division, it will be all the time.
I despise it when long history is just thrown out the window because it doesn't conform to today's standards. It's like saying that George Washington was a terrible leader because he didn't practice good dental hygiene. It is unfair to judge the past that way. I understand the discontinuation of the Chief Wahoo logo (pardon my usage of the term, I'm just saying it to be specific and clear), but this name change feels like stripping the Indians of their storied legacy. Feels like they're a brand new team with nothing to their name now.
I think one of the problems with the name itself is that we weren't even calling them what they were. They're not Indians, they're native americans.
Natives imo would of been a better name for the team, but I know they don't want to represent a group of people.Believe it or not all words are made up. They probably called them that because when they got over here and asked they didn’t know they were Native Americans until somebody told them they were. They probably didn’t even know they lived in America tbh with the low level education system they had.
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Officially rename to "Tribe" Make a statement that Tribe represents the many groups who live within our Cleveland community and as a whole we can be united behind the team that represents our city. Tribe is also a reference to the many Native American communities who lived in the Ohio region for thousands of years. To help educate visitors to our ball park the Cleveland Natural History Museum has set up a display "History of Native Americans" in the stadium. We will be donating $XXXX for every win the "tribe" has this season and every season to the xxxx xxxx foundation to help promote Native American Studies.
This is what I think they should have done. Don't brush away past mistakes and hope they go away. Rather own them and correct them and help others understand more about the culture rather than allow that culture to be slowly evaporated.
