Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post)
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So, I sold Feller and Sale today, and I don't regret it at all. I made quite a bit off of the sale as I picked them up cheap.
If I'm going to be honest I thought these 2 cards would change my rotation for the better in a HUGE way. They didn't.
Feller- Solid, Kind of comparable to Kerry Wood. He got hit HARD on multiple occasions lately. Most of my wins with him came from people giving up after a few innings of 102 gas. As I'm getting into high AS and HOF he's getting hit. Everyone can hit FB and his off speed stuff isn't fooling anyone. Wood gives people more trouble than Feller.
Sale- Absolutely filthy against lefty's. 2 seam in and slider away combo leaves people looking funny. But as the game goes on he get's picked up. If he had 1 more pitch, or an extra mph or 2 on his FB I'd keep him, but were at the point in the game where pitch mix matters and he just doesn't have it. He was tougher to sell than than Feller for sure, but I'm replacing him with Kershaw who seems every bit as good, albeit different.
I'm leaning more towards control and pitch mix, Maddux, Orel, Kershaw... I like Wood, if you get out to a fast start wit him he still gives guys problems... But there's something to be said for throwing 7 or 8 innings of low velo pitch to contact with someone like Maddux and then bringing in a gas man like Goose or Chapman... I feel like it's much harder to adjust.
Giolito still has me thinking. I like Sinker Cutter combo's and he has neither, but he seems to induce a lot of poor contact and his PCI is tiny.
Currently planning on rolling with: Orel, Kershaw, Wood, Maddux, Kluber/Giolito for my starters.
Part of my reasoning for selling is that were bound to get at least 1 or 2 more sick pitching cards coming. Not sure who, not sure when, and then again maybe we won't. But at this point I think I'd rather sell these 2 pitchers for max value especially being that they were seriously under performing against the competition I will be facing going forward.
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I'd also like to add that this is my 1st year playing the game, and for all of the issues with gameplay I do like a lot of things SDS does, most notably the fact that you can't buy wins.
I kind of expected after picking up Feller and Sale the sea would part and I'd cruise by opponents, not the case. BR rewards, WS rewards, often times they are cool cards, but not appreciably better than what you can earn by grinding, and I really appreciate that. I like that you can't buy guys like Babe, MVP Trout, the POTM cards or Gehrig etc. In fact, almost my entire team is made up of guys you can't buy, and I feel like I have the best team I could have as I'm sitting on 3 mil stubs.
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Weird, I have both Sale and Feller and they both have the best outings of any of my pitchers, Sale actually just pitched a complete game shutout to put me at 852 rating. I would easily rate them as top 4 options in the game.
Feller has a below 2.00 ERA and I think Sale's dropped to 2.26 after this latest outing.
But everyone has different pitching styles, I guess Sale and Feller just work for my style.
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@eatyum said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
Weird, I have both Sale and Feller and they both have the best outings of any of my pitchers, Sale actually just pitched a complete game shutout to put me at 852 rating. I would easily rate them as top 4 options in the game.
Feller has a below 2.00 ERA and I think Sale's dropped to 2.26 after this latest outing.
But everyone has different pitching styles, I guess Sale and Feller just work for my style.
Feller was ok, just nothing special and his FB doesn't seem to get by people like Woods, which is weird. The sinker seems to come in at a manageable speed, but not slow enough to drop a lot so that was getting tagged and the slider and changeup would hang on me a lot.How do you work Sale? Tunneling the FB and changeups? It seems that once the OP get's a feel for where the pitches start all they have to do is look for the speed and pick the spot with a R handed batter. Against lefty's he's almost unhittable but outside of Ruth/Gehrig and sometimes Cobb I wasn't facing a whole lot of them.
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@eatyum said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
Weird, I have both Sale and Feller and they both have the best outings of any of my pitchers, Sale actually just pitched a complete game shutout to put me at 852 rating. I would easily rate them as top 4 options in the game.
Feller has a below 2.00 ERA and I think Sale's dropped to 2.26 after this latest outing.
But everyone has different pitching styles, I guess Sale and Feller just work for my style.
Same for me man. Both are solid
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@Hikes83 said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
@eatyum said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
Weird, I have both Sale and Feller and they both have the best outings of any of my pitchers, Sale actually just pitched a complete game shutout to put me at 852 rating. I would easily rate them as top 4 options in the game.
Feller has a below 2.00 ERA and I think Sale's dropped to 2.26 after this latest outing.
But everyone has different pitching styles, I guess Sale and Feller just work for my style.
Same for me man. Both are solid
Maybe I just had a run of games against murderers then... Cause the last few outsings for both of them I couldn't get anyone out.
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@Hubijerk said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
@eatyum said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
Weird, I have both Sale and Feller and they both have the best outings of any of my pitchers, Sale actually just pitched a complete game shutout to put me at 852 rating. I would easily rate them as top 4 options in the game.
Feller has a below 2.00 ERA and I think Sale's dropped to 2.26 after this latest outing.
But everyone has different pitching styles, I guess Sale and Feller just work for my style.
Feller was ok, just nothing special and his FB doesn't seem to get by people like Woods, which is weird. The sinker seems to come in at a manageable speed, but not slow enough to drop a lot so that was getting tagged and the slider and changeup would hang on me a lot.How do you work Sale? Tunneling the FB and changeups? It seems that once the OP get's a feel for where the pitches start all they have to do is look for the speed and pick the spot with a R handed batter. Against lefty's he's almost unhittable but outside of Ruth/Gehrig and sometimes Cobb I wasn't facing a whole lot of them.
Thing with Sale, you need to establish the slider as your primary pitch. Throw it everywhere. Up, down, in and out. Throw it so much that your OP has to slow down his bat. That’s when the FB will look like 102MPH. At that point you can really tunnel the slider with the fastball and absolutely fool your opponent
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@Hubijerk said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
@eatyum said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
Weird, I have both Sale and Feller and they both have the best outings of any of my pitchers, Sale actually just pitched a complete game shutout to put me at 852 rating. I would easily rate them as top 4 options in the game.
Feller has a below 2.00 ERA and I think Sale's dropped to 2.26 after this latest outing.
But everyone has different pitching styles, I guess Sale and Feller just work for my style.
Feller was ok, just nothing special and his FB doesn't seem to get by people like Woods, which is weird. The sinker seems to come in at a manageable speed, but not slow enough to drop a lot so that was getting tagged and the slider and changeup would hang on me a lot.How do you work Sale? Tunneling the FB and changeups? It seems that once the OP get's a feel for where the pitches start all they have to do is look for the speed and pick the spot with a R handed batter. Against lefty's he's almost unhittable but outside of Ruth/Gehrig and sometimes Cobb I wasn't facing a whole lot of them.
Fastballs in, sliders away on lefties, fastballs away (and occasionally low and in), sliders low and in to righties.
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@eatyum said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
@Hubijerk said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
@eatyum said in Pitching and pitchers (not a complaint post):
Weird, I have both Sale and Feller and they both have the best outings of any of my pitchers, Sale actually just pitched a complete game shutout to put me at 852 rating. I would easily rate them as top 4 options in the game.
Feller has a below 2.00 ERA and I think Sale's dropped to 2.26 after this latest outing.
But everyone has different pitching styles, I guess Sale and Feller just work for my style.
Feller was ok, just nothing special and his FB doesn't seem to get by people like Woods, which is weird. The sinker seems to come in at a manageable speed, but not slow enough to drop a lot so that was getting tagged and the slider and changeup would hang on me a lot.How do you work Sale? Tunneling the FB and changeups? It seems that once the OP get's a feel for where the pitches start all they have to do is look for the speed and pick the spot with a R handed batter. Against lefty's he's almost unhittable but outside of Ruth/Gehrig and sometimes Cobb I wasn't facing a whole lot of them.
Fastballs in, sliders away on lefties, fastballs away (and occasionally low and in), sliders low and in to righties.
yeah, that's how I was using him, and he was getting rocked by righties.. maybe I'll give him another shot throwing more sliders.
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