Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19
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There were numerous players that did not get a Sig card. Eric Davis, Matt Kemp, Jason Giambi, Brett Boone, Alan Trammel, Vida Blue, Kenny Lofton to name a few. Yet they saw fit to give Sig cards to players like Travis Hafner, Matt Carpenter, Rick Ankiel, Kerry Wood, Aubrey Huff??? Doesn’t make much sense.
All of the guys you mentioned that didn’t get an SS card already had 90+ overall cards though. Sure, they definitely could’ve still gotten one, other players with 90+ overall cards still got SS cards. I’m sure SDS just didn’t feel the need to give those guys juiced up cards, for one reason or another.
On the other hand, every guy you mentioned that did get an SS card either didn’t get any other diamond cards, or only had a lower diamond card (Wood).
I’m sure circumstance played a major role as well. I doubt Hafner gets an SS card if the All-Star Game isn’t in cleveland. Rick Ankiel is just a novelty. Aubrey Huff was just to give the Rays another SS card, since they lack legends. Carpenter because one of the head DD guys is a big Cardinals fan apparently lol
So maybe the Giambi, Davis, Lofton group should have gotten SS while the comically bad Huff, Hafner, Carpenter group should’ve got the seasonal cardOh and more importantly Sig Joe Carter. Even the most depraved fan cannot possibly think Racist Huff is more deserving
Still stuck on the Joe Carter Sig? LOL He will be remembered for his clutch not for his average MLB career.
You mean the Joe Carter that from 86 to 97 (12 seasons) was a sure bet/averaged 30 HRs/100 RBIs in an era that saw very few 40 HRs+ hitters? That "average" Joe Carter? He's basically a RH Fred McGriff. You have to put him in context of his era.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
From 86-97, Joe Carter had an average wRC+ of 102, with 100 being league average. So he was literally a league average offensive player.McGriff however, had a 139 average wRC+ from 87-98. Same era, same amount of seasons. McGriff was a far, far superior hitter.
You should leave the whole thing alone, Maverick is one of those people where, even if he isn't a troll, he's so self brainwashed that he's certain he's always going to be right. It's not your duty to inform him, you can't help someone who wants to be stupid
I wasn’t even replying to maverick this time lol, despite it sounding exactly like something he would say.
Lol... I blocked the Seal dude because he seemed to only respond to my posts. Self brainwashed or educated. Dude can’t tell the difference
But his WAR is low. Dudes just don’t have common sense let alone understanding of real math
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There were numerous players that did not get a Sig card. Eric Davis, Matt Kemp, Jason Giambi, Brett Boone, Alan Trammel, Vida Blue, Kenny Lofton to name a few. Yet they saw fit to give Sig cards to players like Travis Hafner, Matt Carpenter, Rick Ankiel, Kerry Wood, Aubrey Huff??? Doesn’t make much sense.
All of the guys you mentioned that didn’t get an SS card already had 90+ overall cards though. Sure, they definitely could’ve still gotten one, other players with 90+ overall cards still got SS cards. I’m sure SDS just didn’t feel the need to give those guys juiced up cards, for one reason or another.
On the other hand, every guy you mentioned that did get an SS card either didn’t get any other diamond cards, or only had a lower diamond card (Wood).
I’m sure circumstance played a major role as well. I doubt Hafner gets an SS card if the All-Star Game isn’t in cleveland. Rick Ankiel is just a novelty. Aubrey Huff was just to give the Rays another SS card, since they lack legends. Carpenter because one of the head DD guys is a big Cardinals fan apparently lol
So maybe the Giambi, Davis, Lofton group should have gotten SS while the comically bad Huff, Hafner, Carpenter group should’ve got the seasonal cardOh and more importantly Sig Joe Carter. Even the most depraved fan cannot possibly think Racist Huff is more deserving
Still stuck on the Joe Carter Sig? LOL He will be remembered for his clutch not for his average MLB career.
You mean the Joe Carter that from 86 to 97 (12 seasons) was a sure bet/averaged 30 HRs/100 RBIs in an era that saw very few 40 HRs+ hitters? That "average" Joe Carter? He's basically a RH Fred McGriff. You have to put him in context of his era.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
From 86-97, Joe Carter had an average wRC+ of 102, with 100 being league average. So he was literally a league average offensive player.McGriff however, had a 139 average wRC+ from 87-98. Same era, same amount of seasons. McGriff was a far, far superior hitter.
Small point, but if Carter was 102 and league average was 100, then by definition he was above average, even if only by 2.
Oh boy, you got me
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The problem with comparing Carter to Huff is they played in two different eras of baseball. Huff played on a time when all offensive numbers across the board were increased. I'm not saying Carter was better, but look at Huffs stats compared to his contemporaries and Carters stats compared to his contemporaries, then tell me how much better Huff is?
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@nflman2033 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
The problem with comparing Carter to Huff is they played in two different eras of baseball. Huff played on a time when all offensive numbers across the board were increased. I'm not saying Carter was better, but look at Huffs stats compared to his contemporaries and Carters stats compared to his contemporaries, then tell me how much better Huff is?
Huff has a career 111 wRC+. Carter has a career 102 wRC+.
Huff had four 130+ wRC+ seasons, with one being 144. Carter never had a 130 season, and only had 120 three times, his highest being 125.
Using wRC+, we can see that Huff was better compared to the league average when he played, than Carter was to the league average when he played.
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The problem with comparing Carter to Huff is they played in two different eras of baseball. Huff played on a time when all offensive numbers across the board were increased. I'm not saying Carter was better, but look at Huffs stats compared to his contemporaries and Carters stats compared to his contemporaries, then tell me how much better Huff is?
Huff has a career 111 wRC+. Carter has a career 102 wRC+.
Huff had four 130+ wRC+ seasons, with one being 144. Carter never had a 130 season, and only had 120 three times, his highest being 125.
Using wRC+, we can see that Huff was better compared to the league average when he played, than Carter was to the league average when he played.
Still trying to understand wRC+ does that take expansion into account?
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@nflman2033 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
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The problem with comparing Carter to Huff is they played in two different eras of baseball. Huff played on a time when all offensive numbers across the board were increased. I'm not saying Carter was better, but look at Huffs stats compared to his contemporaries and Carters stats compared to his contemporaries, then tell me how much better Huff is?
Huff has a career 111 wRC+. Carter has a career 102 wRC+.
Huff had four 130+ wRC+ seasons, with one being 144. Carter never had a 130 season, and only had 120 three times, his highest being 125.
Using wRC+, we can see that Huff was better compared to the league average when he played, than Carter was to the league average when he played.
Still trying to understand wRC+ does that take expansion into account?
It’s easier if you just read this.
https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2012/10/30/3567746/sabermetrics-101-wrc -
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The problem with comparing Carter to Huff is they played in two different eras of baseball. Huff played on a time when all offensive numbers across the board were increased. I'm not saying Carter was better, but look at Huffs stats compared to his contemporaries and Carters stats compared to his contemporaries, then tell me how much better Huff is?
Huff has a career 111 wRC+. Carter has a career 102 wRC+.
Huff had four 130+ wRC+ seasons, with one being 144. Carter never had a 130 season, and only had 120 three times, his highest being 125.
Using wRC+, we can see that Huff was better compared to the league average when he played, than Carter was to the league average when he played.
Still trying to understand wRC+ does that take expansion into account?
It’s easier if you just read this.
https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2012/10/30/3567746/sabermetrics-101-wrc@DriveByTrucker17 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
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The problem with comparing Carter to Huff is they played in two different eras of baseball. Huff played on a time when all offensive numbers across the board were increased. I'm not saying Carter was better, but look at Huffs stats compared to his contemporaries and Carters stats compared to his contemporaries, then tell me how much better Huff is?
Huff has a career 111 wRC+. Carter has a career 102 wRC+.
Huff had four 130+ wRC+ seasons, with one being 144. Carter never had a 130 season, and only had 120 three times, his highest being 125.
Using wRC+, we can see that Huff was better compared to the league average when he played, than Carter was to the league average when he played.
Still trying to understand wRC+ does that take expansion into account?
It’s easier if you just read this.
https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2012/10/30/3567746/sabermetrics-101-wrcI get it. Totally counter intuitive to what I saw watching both eras, Carter was an all star popular player who teams and fans loved. Huff was solid player who played at a time when there was a lot of far better players.
Which you can see by his 0 all star appearances vs Carter who was a 5 time all star. See I see the two players having the same SLG but Huff being in an offensive era as being worse. But since Carter didnt walk as much as Huff he looks way less valuable. Is SLG an end all be all stat, no, but I think you should look at all stats. I am old I am never going to believe that there is any one stat that says a guy is a good or bad player. It's clear from our discussion that you believe that.
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That’s why wRC+ is the better stat. It tells us who is truly the better hitter. Base stats don’t take enough factors into account.
And no, I don’t believe in just using wRC+.
OPS and OPS+ both have a lot of value as well.Also, all star appearances tell nothing about who is the better hitter. Just like RBI tells nothing about a hitters ability.
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It's always funny when people make all-encompassing statements like "whoa X was way better than Y but never saw Y play and rely on stats. I know nerds, some/most of which I respect have made their cases for why this or that stat is overvalued, and yes I understand that RBIs is dependant on circumstances, but there's a reason why you put X in the 3rd/4th spot in the lineup and not 7th. Take any stat and I can give you a for and counter for each one. I could tell, for example, with the way the game is played now and the Ks for hitters being irrelevant because a stathead said so, yet this ignores a basic principle of baseball: if the ball is hit, there are a gazillion probabilities.
And I did mention you have to use the era in context. Aubrey Huffs in his era are a dime a dozen; Joe Carters were not. Howard Johnson won the NL HR title in 1991 for crying out loud! Cecil Fielder was mind boggling back then. Parks were big, the juicers were fewer, the ball wasn't as lively. To boil it down to a single metric is fun for arguments on forums but not definitive by any means. But hey, it's a Twitter world where it's one or the other, what do I know.
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@yankblan said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
It's always funny when people make all-encompassing statements like "whoa X was way better than Y but never saw Y play and rely on stats. I know nerds, some/most of which I respect have made their cases for why this or that stat is overvalued, and yes I understand that RBIs is dependant on circumstances, but there's a reason why you put X in the 3rd/4th spot in the lineup and not 7th. Take any stat and I can give you a for and counter for each one. I could tell, for example, with the way the game is played now and the Ks for hitters being irrelevant because a stathead said so, yet this ignores a basic principle of baseball: if the ball is hit, there are a gazillion probabilities.
And I did mention you have to use the era in context. Aubrey Huffs in his era are a dime a dozen; Joe Carters were not. Howard Johnson won the NL HR title in 1991 for crying out loud! Cecil Fielder was mind boggling back then. Parks were big, the juicers were fewer, the ball wasn't as lively. To boil it down to a single metric is fun for arguments on forums but not definitive by any means. But hey, it's a Twitter world where it's one or the other, what do I know.
Wrc+ adjusts for era with your said "dime a dozen" hitters, Joe Carter wasn't special in his time, also players are hit based on stats that aren't rbis and they happen to get more opportunities from hitting where they are
Your favorite team's gm doesn't use rbis, it's not a good stat
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Never said anything about special, but to say average is nonsense. It's either you're HoF worthy or trash. And thanks for repeating what I said about RBIs, I specifically referred to the lineup order.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
That’s why wRC+ is the better stat. It tells us who is truly the better hitter. Base stats don’t take enough factors into account.
And no, I don’t believe in just using wRC+.
OPS and OPS+ both have a lot of value as well.Also, all star appearances tell nothing about who is the better hitter. Just like RBI tells nothing about a hitters ability.
Not disagreeing, but it tells me how the player was regarded amongst his peers. Lile I said Carter was considered one of the best players of his best position, but Huff never was.
Like I said, I watched them both play and would have never considered Huff better.
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There were numerous players that did not get a Sig card. Eric Davis, Matt Kemp, Jason Giambi, Brett Boone, Alan Trammel, Vida Blue, Kenny Lofton to name a few. Yet they saw fit to give Sig cards to players like Travis Hafner, Matt Carpenter, Rick Ankiel, Kerry Wood, Aubrey Huff??? Doesn’t make much sense.
All of the guys you mentioned that didn’t get an SS card already had 90+ overall cards though. Sure, they definitely could’ve still gotten one, other players with 90+ overall cards still got SS cards. I’m sure SDS just didn’t feel the need to give those guys juiced up cards, for one reason or another.
On the other hand, every guy you mentioned that did get an SS card either didn’t get any other diamond cards, or only had a lower diamond card (Wood).
I’m sure circumstance played a major role as well. I doubt Hafner gets an SS card if the All-Star Game isn’t in cleveland. Rick Ankiel is just a novelty. Aubrey Huff was just to give the Rays another SS card, since they lack legends. Carpenter because one of the head DD guys is a big Cardinals fan apparently lol
So maybe the Giambi, Davis, Lofton group should have gotten SS while the comically bad Huff, Hafner, Carpenter group should’ve got the seasonal cardOh and more importantly Sig Joe Carter. Even the most depraved fan cannot possibly think Racist Huff is more deserving
Still stuck on the Joe Carter Sig? LOL He will be remembered for his clutch not for his average MLB career.
You mean the Joe Carter that from 86 to 97 (12 seasons) was a sure bet/averaged 30 HRs/100 RBIs in an era that saw very few 40 HRs+ hitters? That "average" Joe Carter? He's basically a RH Fred McGriff. You have to put him in context of his era.
Except Fred McGriff hit 493 career HRs with a .284 career batting average and had a .509 slugging.
Joe Carter hit 396HRS with a .259 career batting average and had a .464 slugging. Joe carter was good at best and once again, he will be remembered for one of the most historic clutch home runs of all time, and that's about it. He definitely won't be remembered for his very below average fielding ability and below average contact.At the end of the day, no matter if you saw them play or not stats are stats and those stats will be used to judge how a players career was.
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@yankblan said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
Never said anything about special, but to say average is nonsense. It's either you're HoF worthy or trash. And thanks for repeating what I said about RBIs, I specifically referred to the lineup order.
I specifically adressed your lineup order statement by calling out that RBIs are not the reason the #3 or #4 hitters are where they are, no one has called him trash either. If you can find me one response saying "Joe Carter is trash" I won't argue anymore
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I wasn't calling you out specifically, it just seems that people talk in definitive statements. But to the lineup part, we ARE saying the same thing, in that you put your best combination of hitter/power in that spot to drive in runs, meaning it's a combination of ability and opportunity. Same for Runs, it's a combination of ability to get on base, ususally speed and or baserunning to be able to get the odd extra base (1st to 3rd, stolen base or tag) and opportunity of being sent in by good hitters behind him. I thought you would have deduced that but you said pretty much the same thing.
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That’s why wRC+ is the better stat. It tells us who is truly the better hitter. Base stats don’t take enough factors into account.
And no, I don’t believe in just using wRC+.
OPS and OPS+ both have a lot of value as well.Also, all star appearances tell nothing about who is the better hitter. Just like RBI tells nothing about a hitters ability.
Not disagreeing, but it tells me how the player was regarded amongst his peers. Lile I said Carter was considered one of the best players of his best position, but Huff never was.
Like I said, I watched them both play and would have never considered Huff better.
Again, that’s the beauty of the stats we have now. They show the true value of players much better than the “eye test”
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@yankblan said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
I wasn't calling you out specifically, it just seems that people talk in definitive statements. But to the lineup part, we ARE saying the same thing, in that you put your best combination of hitter/power in that spot to drive in runs, meaning it's a combination of ability and opportunity. Same for Runs, it's a combination of ability to get on base, ususally speed and or baserunning to be able to get the odd extra base (1st to 3rd, stolen base or tag) and opportunity of being sent in by good hitters behind him. I thought you would have deduced that but you said pretty much the same thing.
At this point the only way to argue Carter is better than Huff is to ignore sabermetrics. I'm with you here, it is hard to wrap my head around that Carter was that bad of a player. I at no time felt he was a HOF player, but would have thought him better than Huff.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
That’s why wRC+ is the better stat. It tells us who is truly the better hitter. Base stats don’t take enough factors into account.
And no, I don’t believe in just using wRC+.
OPS and OPS+ both have a lot of value as well.Also, all star appearances tell nothing about who is the better hitter. Just like RBI tells nothing about a hitters ability.
Not disagreeing, but it tells me how the player was regarded amongst his peers. Lile I said Carter was considered one of the best players of his best position, but Huff never was.
Like I said, I watched them both play and would have never considered Huff better.
Again, that’s the beauty of the stats we have now. They show the true value of players much better than the “eye test”
That or sabermetric values are overrated. Not saying I believe that, but there are always alternative explanations for things.
In the case of Carter, he is probably worth less to his team because his mentality was to put the ball in play rather than to just get on base. Which would indicate high RBI vs low BB total. I will always contest that there is a place for that kind of mentality. I think all stats only tell part of the picture. The stats say everyone who can get on base probabilities are they are going to score runs. But life doesn't always work that way, I think you need a guy like Carter who is going to put the ball in play with a runner on base rather than try and draw a walk.
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
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That’s why wRC+ is the better stat. It tells us who is truly the better hitter. Base stats don’t take enough factors into account.
And no, I don’t believe in just using wRC+.
OPS and OPS+ both have a lot of value as well.Also, all star appearances tell nothing about who is the better hitter. Just like RBI tells nothing about a hitters ability.
Not disagreeing, but it tells me how the player was regarded amongst his peers. Lile I said Carter was considered one of the best players of his best position, but Huff never was.
Like I said, I watched them both play and would have never considered Huff better.
Again, that’s the beauty of the stats we have now. They show the true value of players much better than the “eye test”
As long as you value more than any one whole stat. That seems to be where this argument gets hung up.
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@nflman2033 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
That’s why wRC+ is the better stat. It tells us who is truly the better hitter. Base stats don’t take enough factors into account.
And no, I don’t believe in just using wRC+.
OPS and OPS+ both have a lot of value as well.Also, all star appearances tell nothing about who is the better hitter. Just like RBI tells nothing about a hitters ability.
Not disagreeing, but it tells me how the player was regarded amongst his peers. Lile I said Carter was considered one of the best players of his best position, but Huff never was.
Like I said, I watched them both play and would have never considered Huff better.
Again, that’s the beauty of the stats we have now. They show the true value of players much better than the “eye test”
That or sabermetric values are overrated. Not saying I believe that, but there are always alternative explanations for things.
In the case of Carter, he is probably worth less to his team because his mentality was to put the ball in play rather than to just get on base. Which would indicate high RBI vs low BB total. I will always contest that there is a place for that kind of mentality. I think all stats only tell part of the picture. The stats say everyone who can get on base probabilities are they are going to score runs. But life doesn't always work that way, I think you need a guy like Carter who is going to put the ball in play with a runner on base rather than try and draw a walk.
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
That’s why wRC+ is the better stat. It tells us who is truly the better hitter. Base stats don’t take enough factors into account.
And no, I don’t believe in just using wRC+.
OPS and OPS+ both have a lot of value as well.Also, all star appearances tell nothing about who is the better hitter. Just like RBI tells nothing about a hitters ability.
Not disagreeing, but it tells me how the player was regarded amongst his peers. Lile I said Carter was considered one of the best players of his best position, but Huff never was.
Like I said, I watched them both play and would have never considered Huff better.
Again, that’s the beauty of the stats we have now. They show the true value of players much better than the “eye test”
As long as you value more than any one whole stat. That seems to be where this argument gets hung up.
The only people who think sabermetrics are wrong or overrated are people that believe a player was better than he truly was. Often times, metrics prove players were not as good as people remember, and that makes people upset.
You said yourself that you’re old, so it’s only natural you wouldn’t really understand. Humans are stubborn and don’t like new ideas, even if they’re better.
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The problem with comparing Carter to Huff is they played in two different eras of baseball. Huff played on a time when all offensive numbers across the board were increased. I'm not saying Carter was better, but look at Huffs stats compared to his contemporaries and Carters stats compared to his contemporaries, then tell me how much better Huff is?
Huff has a career 111 wRC+. Carter has a career 102 wRC+.
Huff had four 130+ wRC+ seasons, with one being 144. Carter never had a 130 season, and only had 120 three times, his highest being 125.
Using wRC+, we can see that Huff was better compared to the league average when he played, than Carter was to the league average when he played.
Still trying to understand wRC+ does that take expansion into account?
It’s easier if you just read this.
https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2012/10/30/3567746/sabermetrics-101-wrc@DriveByTrucker17 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
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@nflman2033 said in Aaron Judge did not get a single flashback in MLB 19:
The problem with comparing Carter to Huff is they played in two different eras of baseball. Huff played on a time when all offensive numbers across the board were increased. I'm not saying Carter was better, but look at Huffs stats compared to his contemporaries and Carters stats compared to his contemporaries, then tell me how much better Huff is?
Huff has a career 111 wRC+. Carter has a career 102 wRC+.
Huff had four 130+ wRC+ seasons, with one being 144. Carter never had a 130 season, and only had 120 three times, his highest being 125.
Using wRC+, we can see that Huff was better compared to the league average when he played, than Carter was to the league average when he played.
Still trying to understand wRC+ does that take expansion into account?
It’s easier if you just read this.
https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2012/10/30/3567746/sabermetrics-101-wrcI get it. Totally counter intuitive to what I saw watching both eras, Carter was an all star popular player who teams and fans loved. Huff was solid player who played at a time when there was a lot of far better players.
Which you can see by his 0 all star appearances vs Carter who was a 5 time all star. See I see the two players having the same SLG but Huff being in an offensive era as being worse. But since Carter didnt walk as much as Huff he looks way less valuable. Is SLG an end all be all stat, no, but I think you should look at all stats. I am old I am never going to believe that there is any one stat that says a guy is a good or bad player. It's clear from our discussion that you believe that.
That isn’t old. That is smart.
