Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 95
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@TEXAS10PT said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
He's actually a 95... And I agree.. he's a HOF pitcher with much better credentials than Felix, yet Felix can get to a 98
In my opinion, if you were good enough to get into the HOF you deserve a 99 card period. That hasn’t always been the case in this game but it should be. Just saying
Would you give Harold Baines a 99? How about Bill Mazeroski?
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@formallyforearms said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@TEXAS10PT said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
He's actually a 95... And I agree.. he's a HOF pitcher with much better credentials than Felix, yet Felix can get to a 98
In my opinion, if you were good enough to get into the HOF you deserve a 99 card period. That hasn’t always been the case in this game but it should be. Just saying
Would you give Harold Baines a 99? How about Bill Mazeroski?
I still can't believe Bill Mazeroski was elected into the HOF
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@olivegarden2 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@formallyforearms said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@TEXAS10PT said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
He's actually a 95... And I agree.. he's a HOF pitcher with much better credentials than Felix, yet Felix can get to a 98
In my opinion, if you were good enough to get into the HOF you deserve a 99 card period. That hasn’t always been the case in this game but it should be. Just saying
Would you give Harold Baines a 99? How about Bill Mazeroski?
I still can't believe Bill Mazeroski was elected into the HOF
Mazeroski had 7 seasons with a war of 3.0 or higher, Baines had a total of 2 in 22 seasons!
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@olivegarden2 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@formallyforearms said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@TEXAS10PT said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
He's actually a 95... And I agree.. he's a HOF pitcher with much better credentials than Felix, yet Felix can get to a 98
In my opinion, if you were good enough to get into the HOF you deserve a 99 card period. That hasn’t always been the case in this game but it should be. Just saying
Would you give Harold Baines a 99? How about Bill Mazeroski?
I still can't believe Bill Mazeroski was elected into the HOF
It helps to have friends in high positions.
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If Maz doesn’t deserve them Ozzie doesn’t. Not stating an opinion, but the comp is undeniable.
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Who said this was it for Glavine? I can’t imagine one of the few Lefties with over 300 career wins only gets a 95. SDS can’t be that stupid
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
If Maz doesn’t deserve them Ozzie doesn’t. Not stating an opinion, but the comp is undeniable.
Ozzie has over double the WAR that Mazeroski does. 76.9 to 36.5
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@formallyforearms said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
If Maz doesn’t deserve them Ozzie doesn’t. Not stating an opinion, but the comp is undeniable.
Ozzie has over double the WAR that Mazeroski does. 76.9 to 36.5
Different eras. WAR isn’t the be all/end all statistic some seem to think it is. WAR is easier to accumulate for positions like SS.
Neither could hit. Their career OPS are .001 apart. Both are considered the best defense players ever at their respective positions.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@formallyforearms said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
If Maz doesn’t deserve them Ozzie doesn’t. Not stating an opinion, but the comp is undeniable.
Ozzie has over double the WAR that Mazeroski does. 76.9 to 36.5
Different eras. WAR isn’t the be all/end all statistic some seem to think it is. WAR is easier to accumulate for positions like SS.
Neither could hit. Their career OPS are .001 apart. Both are considered the best defense players ever at their respective positions.
Ozzie may be the greatest defender at any position ever. Belanger was the best 2B defensively. Maz was great but not even in that vicinity
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@formallyforearms said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
If Maz doesn’t deserve them Ozzie doesn’t. Not stating an opinion, but the comp is undeniable.
Ozzie has over double the WAR that Mazeroski does. 76.9 to 36.5
Different eras. WAR isn’t the be all/end all statistic some seem to think it is. WAR is easier to accumulate for positions like SS.
Neither could hit. Their career OPS are .001 apart. Both are considered the best defense players ever at their respective positions.
WAR is actually very useful for comparing players from different eras.
Also, Smith was at least a league average offensive player for some years during his career. Mazeroski was below league average every single year, according to wRC+.
Mazeroski’s offensive numbers make Smith look like a great hitter.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@formallyforearms said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
If Maz doesn’t deserve them Ozzie doesn’t. Not stating an opinion, but the comp is undeniable.
Ozzie has over double the WAR that Mazeroski does. 76.9 to 36.5
Different eras. WAR isn’t the be all/end all statistic some seem to think it is. WAR is easier to accumulate for positions like SS.
Neither could hit. Their career OPS are .001 apart. Both are considered the best defense players ever at their respective positions.
WAR is actually very useful for comparing players from different eras.
Also, Smith was at least a league average offensive player for some years during his career. Mazeroski was below league average every single year, according to wRC+.
If you are saying they were different players, yes. But it’s splitting hairs. The 2 worst hitters in the HoF. Both are in for their D.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@formallyforearms said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
If Maz doesn’t deserve them Ozzie doesn’t. Not stating an opinion, but the comp is undeniable.
Ozzie has over double the WAR that Mazeroski does. 76.9 to 36.5
Different eras. WAR isn’t the be all/end all statistic some seem to think it is. WAR is easier to accumulate for positions like SS.
Neither could hit. Their career OPS are .001 apart. Both are considered the best defense players ever at their respective positions.
WAR is actually very useful for comparing players from different eras.
Also, Smith was at least a league average offensive player for some years during his career. Mazeroski was below league average every single year, according to wRC+.
If you are saying they were different players, yes. But it’s splitting hairs. The 2 worst hitters in the HoF. Both are in for their D.
One player having double the WAR of another player is not splitting hairs. It’s definitive proof that Smith was much, much more valuable than Mazeroski.
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Mazeroski had the best moment of all time, but wasn't great besides that
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@formallyforearms said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@TEXAS10PT said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
He's actually a 95... And I agree.. he's a HOF pitcher with much better credentials than Felix, yet Felix can get to a 98
In my opinion, if you were good enough to get into the HOF you deserve a 99 card period. That hasn’t always been the case in this game but it should be. Just saying
Would you give Harold Baines a 99? How about Bill Mazeroski?
Ok you got me on Harold. He played like 30 years to get 2800 hits. But Maz was one of the best 2nd baseman ever fielding wise and he did beat the Powerful Yankees in 1960 so yes. Even Aparicio is in the Hall and he couldn’t hit his way out of a paper bag but he had good D
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@TEXAS10PT said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@formallyforearms said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@TEXAS10PT said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
He's actually a 95... And I agree.. he's a HOF pitcher with much better credentials than Felix, yet Felix can get to a 98
In my opinion, if you were good enough to get into the HOF you deserve a 99 card period. That hasn’t always been the case in this game but it should be. Just saying
Would you give Harold Baines a 99? How about Bill Mazeroski?
Ok you got me on Harold. He played like 30 years to get 2800 hits. But Maz was one of the best 2nd baseman ever fielding wise and he did beat the Powerful Yankees in 1960 so yes. Even Aparicio is in the Hall and he couldn’t hit his way out of a paper bag but he had good D
Aparicio still has 49.1 fWAR, compared to mazeroski’s 30.1 fWAR.
A gap of 20 is pretty substantial.
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@olivegarden2 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
Mazeroski had the best moment of all time, but wasn't great besides that
Best moment all time??? Joe has something to say about that...
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There is no one stat that perfectly quantifies a player. Even WAR. It's reasonably good at comparing players at the same position. It's not great for comparing different positions. For example, who would you rather have last year - Nick Ahmed or Josh Bell? I don't think many are choosing the former, despite the WAR difference percentage being similar to that of Ozzie and Maz.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
There is no one stat that perfectly quantifies a player. Even WAR. It's reasonably good at comparing players at the same position. It's not great for comparing different positions. For example, who would you rather have last year - Nick Ahmed or Josh Bell? I don't think many are choosing the former, despite the WAR difference percentage being similar to that of Ozzie and Maz.
Nick Ahmed had 2.4 fWAR last year, Josh Bell had 2.5 fWAR last year. They are both equally valuable.
If Nick Ahmed had 5.0 fWAR last year and Bell still only had 2.5, obviously Ahmed would be the more valuable player because he has double the WAR.
Smith has double the WAR of Mazeroski. It isn’t even close, Mazeroski was not good. If it was only a couple points difference, then you might have some kind of argument. But there’s no argument to be made when one player has double what the other has.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
There is no one stat that perfectly quantifies a player. Even WAR. It's reasonably good at comparing players at the same position. It's not great for comparing different positions. For example, who would you rather have last year - Nick Ahmed or Josh Bell? I don't think many are choosing the former, despite the WAR difference percentage being similar to that of Ozzie and Maz.
Nick Ahmed had 2.4 fWAR last year, Josh Bell had 2.5 fWAR last year. They are both equally valuable.
If Nick Ahmed had 5.0 fWAR last year and Bell still only had 2.5, obviously Ahmed would be the more valuable player because he has double the WAR.
Smith has double the WAR of Mazeroski. It isn’t even close, Mazeroski was not good. If it was only a couple points difference, then you might have some kind of argument. But there’s no argument to be made when one player has double what the other has.
Show me where I have ever mentioned fWAR.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Why is Glavine's Top Card Only a 96:
There is no one stat that perfectly quantifies a player. Even WAR. It's reasonably good at comparing players at the same position. It's not great for comparing different positions. For example, who would you rather have last year - Nick Ahmed or Josh Bell? I don't think many are choosing the former, despite the WAR difference percentage being similar to that of Ozzie and Maz.
The WAR is double though.. Ozzie is more than double Maz. It's not even close. When it's that far apart, there's no comparison at all.
Mazeroski is probably the 30-50 range greatest 2nd basemen (he's 50th JAWS BBref)
Ozzie is top 10 greatest SS (9th JAWS BBref)
And the greatest defender of any position according to pretty much every metric.
