CHEATING IN DIAMOND DYNASTY
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@AmalikYapusi Bibby Watt from the Crown team?
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LOUD NOISES!!! ARGHHHHH!!!
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Here's one for the toxic play hall of fame, and I can really only call it cheating in the end because it's likely going to result in me taking a loss for a game I'm winning, as well as ending my BR run when I should be living to fight another day.
I put up a run in the top of the 1st (I'm on 2 wins and 1 loss), and after the run scored my opponent started disconnecting his controller over and over, usually 2-3 times between pitches (yeah -- each pitch). This went on for the rest of the game. In between all of the whatever he was doing, I managed to get into the pause menu and report it. If you've never experienced an opponent doing this, I want to express clearly how difficult it is to do anything gameplay-wise, including just basically selecting a pitch, when the opponent is disconnecting the controller this often. It really interferes with being able to play the game properly and select any buttons. I noticed it was also making it hard for me to get into the quick menu. I decided to try to get through the game, although I considered just quitting out because it's no fun to play under these conditions.
In the bottom of the 3rd I'm still up 1-0. I hit the mound visit button at the same time my opponent's controller disconnects again, but this time the game freezes with the controller disconnect warning on top of the mound visit menu. The timer inside the controller disconnect warning is also frozen, on :31 remaining, but I can still hit the circle button to forfeit -- it's the only button that works, other than the dashboard.
Fundamentally I don't understand the design of this particular mechanic... why do I care if my opponent disconnects his controller? Shouldn't that just happen in the background and I can still throw my pitch / get into the quick menu? Further, if the mechanic is being abused to throw off my accuracy or potentially cause a freeze, like I'm experiencing right now, I can't quite figure out why it can happen this many times in a game without some kind of griefing code coming into play. It can't just come down to an in-game report when it was as relentless as this. I really feel abuse of this mechanic should be detected by the game and dealt with.
Anyway, the cherry on top is that the 7 AM routine maintenance just kicked in to end the debacle. I won't know until after the maintenance if I took a loss or not, but I guess I'm grateful for the maintenance for once, because it meant while I was writing all this I didn't have to decide on pressing circle to accept a loss, or dashboarding! Hopefully it's a 50/50 on whether my BR run is over or not.
Because the game ended on a network disconnect for the maintenance, I have no idea if my in-game reports for cheating and toxic play will register, but I'll try to report again if the game shows up in my history when I get back in.
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@cbpm72 that is brutal toxicity and I’m very sorry to hear it happened to you. I truly hope you got the win from the disconnect.
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@BJDUBBYAH said in CHEATING IN DIAMOND DYNASTY:
@cbpm72 that is brutal toxicity and I’m very sorry to hear it happened to you. I truly hope you got the win from the disconnect.
Turns out I did!! Thanks!
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@cbpm72 hell yes you did.
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Faced an opponent I couldn’t touch, and then when said opponent came up to the plate, NO strikes were called strikes. If that’s not enough to understand, I put all my pitches down the middle only to be called as balls. Catcher was Jason V. And not catching anything following a small lag before hitting the strike zone.
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@RJharryman_PSN said in CHEATING IN DIAMOND DYNASTY:
Faced an opponent I couldn’t touch, and then when said opponent came up to the plate, NO strikes were called strikes. If that’s not enough to understand, I put all my pitches down the middle only to be called as balls. Catcher was Jason V. And not catching anything following a small lag before hitting the strike zone.
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Another note, the commentators were saying things like “don’t know where that missed” and “I don’t know how you take a pitch like that.”
The opponent swung at the first few pitches for a Foul ball or two and a dropped third strike (because the catcher wasn’t catching anything), so I was able to get the first out from that. He didn’t swing at anything else. I don’t know what was happening. After the game (obviously I lost in the first due to forfeit) I saw that their PSN name was changed from rrxbby (yeah you SOB I hope you see this [censored] [censored] you) to a freaking Xbox username which I don’t remember. Turning off cross play I guess if I can. Have had multiple instances of possible cheating like no matter where I put the ball the opponent gets perfect timing and contact on everything (mostly homers roughly 450 every time). -
I found a great read...
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Every year we see the same lament, and while there is a large degree of cheating taking place, the complaints always fail to mention the real cause -- flawed human nature.
The reason leagues form with rules and umpires is due to the persistent role of cheating to win.
This has led SDS to adopt a myriad of means to prevent cheating, usually leading to nothing but further avenues for cheating. Online gaming is simply a platform for people who like to cheat to cheat like the wind. It will always be that way. It's a rat's game built for rats!
Online gaming allows someone to evade the consequences for getting caught. When you have underground operations selling what they euphemistically label "mods" then you know there are enough people out there looking to cheat to make any online gaming a lottery. Your odds of encountering one of the sad sacks who like to win by cheating is quite high.
Look, even in real MLB baseball we still have cheaters -- paging Jurickson Profar, paging Jurickson Profar! This despite all the very real risk of getting caught, like he did, and having to suffer a lifetime of shame. Now, in online cheating, there is no lifetime of shame because the stakes are so low that society doesn't care.
What's the solution?
Well, confine your online games to people you know and trust, friends, family, etc ... Accept that if you dip your little toe in the online gaming against total strangers then you're going to run into someone who thinks the little meaningless trinkets handed down for "wins" is worth all the cheating one can conjure up.
If you're not willing to just quit the game when you encounter such people and move on, then this is where the real problem comes in. This is where the illusion of "online competition" and "ranked competition" reveals its ugly truth. It isn't fair and it never will be. When companies like SDS started creating illusions that online gaming was more than it really is, then the platform for this frustration was developed. The real ugly reality is that mailing out baseballs, bats, and other stuff based on online gaming results just encourages the worst in the sad sacks who cheat to win.
The problem isn't that SDS cannot possibly rein in the cheaters, which is true they cannot. The problem is that SDS set up false expectations, and hand out false rewards, because they were willfully blind to the very real notion that for every 90 people out there looking for an honest fair and square online game, there are ten who are dedicated to cheating their "rear ends" off because the empty results are their goals.
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Yes the cheating has been out of control for years now and I don’t buy this game I just wait until it’s and will continue to do so until they fix the cheating
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No way anybody can guess all my pitch locations and timing and yet they do with perfect precision SMH
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I would love to have an actual cheater come on here incognito and tell us how its done. I'm not talking people cheating using a glitch SDS needs to fix. Until then I will take the "cheaters" tag hung on people with a grain of salt.
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If the code used to construct MLB The Show has been compromised, meaning it has been downloaded from a gaming console, decompiled into the readable code, and analyzed, then theoretically is is possible to release a code pack that can integrate with the game on the console and run parallel.
In this manner, it is possible to do many things.
Now, first off, I don't even play online. So, I'm not one of the cheaters. Let's get that clear right up front.
However, keep in mind that all video games are nothing more than computer code that takes what a player commands off the game pad and then translates that into a series of rasterings of video presentations on the 2D screen and then calls up a host of actions based on commands again inputted by the player. Then, in counter to this, are commands generated by the CPU to control CPU actions or by the other player in an online game.
So, here are some possible ways for a mod code running parallel to work cheating avenues:
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Expand the effective size of a player's PCI by a factor of ten, turning all star hitting settings into beginner mode.
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Reading the input from an online opponent's game pad to determine the pitch type and the point of the pitch entering the strike zone, and immediately superimposing an indicator showing the pitch type and location, presented a second or so before the ball arrives.
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Code enhancers that increases the fielding ability of a player's own defense.
These underground sources available on the internet are not going to advertise, and are certainly located in nations where the local laws could not care less what an American based company complains about. In fact, they would more likely than not encourage these hackers to give them the source code simply to steal the intellectual property and in return allow the hackers to profit off selling their mod code underground.
I mean you've got government officials including in law enforcement already taking money from drug cartels to put fentanyl into an economy that they know will kill people. So, given that, do you really think they wouldn't turn a blind eye to people hacking a baseball video game?
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I have played various golfing games and while I did not play online, there are options to put the captured play of other players into the game as "ghost players." In doing this, you see how these players would use a course to play out a round that tallied at an insane 25 strokes below par! Now, keep in mind, there are 18 holes on a golf course, so the lowest mathematical round is 18 strokes on a 72 stroke par course, for a round of 54 under par!
Now, there were hundreds of cases of players scoring rounds of 25 to 30 stroked under par. In looking at what happened, I could see them nailing 150 to 200 yard approach shots into the cup hole after hole after hole. There is no way a human using a gamepad controller could achieve shots like that using the default game code.
So, what was happening? I'm convinced they went underground and purchased a hack code that allowed them to automatically dial up and in the "perfect" stroke. This because the same code that has to play out a legitimate human commanded stroke, has to also know what the "perfect" stroke is.
Now, why would someone want to pay money to buy a hack that could just as easily spy into their PC or console and cause harm? It's stupid risky, and for no real benefit. It was nothing more than people with empty souls looking for cheap thrills by winning online games with other people.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL I understand that it CAN be done but most of the time there would be some sort of monetary reward for doing it so what would the purpose be? And for that matter what satisfaction are the "cheaters" going to gain. I've never understood this. I get my rear end handed to me regularly online and I win a few. Life goes on. So sad that people can't live without winning a video game.
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@rageincage007_XBL said in CHEATING IN DIAMOND DYNASTY:
@PriorFir4383355_XBL I understand that it CAN be done but most of the time there would be some sort of monetary reward for doing it so what would the purpose be? And for that matter what satisfaction are the "cheaters" going to gain. I've never understood this. I get my rear end handed to me regularly online and I win a few. Life goes on. So sad that people can't live without winning a video game.
You answered your own question. I mean psychologists have studied this in depth. Human frailties, empty lives, and it's all so very sad. Look, I lived a life with meaning. It wasn't worth having my own Wikipedia listing, but it was meaningful and I'm now living on my military pension and other retirement.
But, some people suffer the Walter Mitty syndrome. Their real lives are boring to the point where just the meaningless "thrill" of sticking it to some unknown person on the internet playing a golf or baseball game against and really letting them have it, somehow adds something to their day.
I mean, for me that's sick, it's sad, and it is an unhealthy psychosis and video game companies are aware of it, and it's why I don't think there should be physical rewards, much less monetary rewards, issued for measured results within online video gaming.
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What you’re theorizing would be an extreme minority, and if successful, you’d never face them in the low to mid-levels. Most cheating is done by exploiting glitches and exploits; someone getting his head bashed in is probably a skill gap issue.
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Definetly seems like hitters online in general are much more patient this year than in the past. Don't think it's cheating but it's odd.
Only time I really felt something was going on was I was playing ranked against ubaldo Jimenez with pretty low bb9 and terrible splitter control and this guy was dotting every sinker and not hanging any splitter. And I mean like every pitch was a dot not just he was pitching well
