Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@beanball0571_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
If SDS bans any of use who took advantage of their stupidity, then it will cost them dearly.
Exploiting this is a clear violation of their terms of service. I say bring down the ban hammer.
Everyday I spend $20 on stubs and buy packs. I am trying to pull Trout to complete the LS collection so I can use my favorite player of all time. The Captain. I have a habit of quickselling all non Diamond cards because I don't have time to list them on the market. I get banned because a few of my commons quick sold for more than they usually. I am now banned...based on your understanding of exploitation of the market. Sound business judgement.
Flip that around. Why would anyone continue to spend money on stubs when they can get them with exploits and not be punished?
This is more of an argument for SDS to clean up their updates. They caused this issue not the players.
Officer, I was only speeding because my car manufacturer made my car too fast.
Your car is out of gas as you pull up to the station. Gas usually sells for $5.99 per gallon but today the sign says $0.59. The sign on the door says after hours pay at the pump. The pump does not allow you to pay more than $0.59 per gallon. You leave your car and start walking home with your head held high.
I see you walking and I swerve towards a puddle to splash you as I laugh.
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Here’s an analogy for you. Counterfeiting the $20 bill suddenly becomes very tempting due to ease. Many people counterfeit as a result. The government decides not to punish the counterfeiters despite easily obtainable evidence because they pay taxes. Because no one was punished, next week the same thing happens with the $100 bill. Inflation increases significantly and those that followed the law are most negatively effected.
Its not that Deep imo. This is more along the lines where you went to ATM and instead of $100 that you requested from ATM it dispersed you $500. You did not steal or counterfeit anything instead you were given an extra $400 due to ATM's dispersing glitch. Banks eventually finds the error and your account gets debited the difference.
This happened with FIFA numerous times over the years everything just gets reverted back no one gets banned. Difference with SDS they don't have the budget or the manpower that EA has to handle something like this. Meaning most likely scenario they just fix the glitch and we move on.
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@lightshow_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
Here’s an analogy for you. Counterfeiting the $20 bill suddenly becomes very tempting due to ease. Many people counterfeit as a result. The government decides not to punish the counterfeiters despite easily obtainable evidence because they pay taxes. Because no one was punished, next week the same thing happens with the $100 bill. Inflation increases significantly and those that followed the law are most negatively effected.
Its not that Deep imo. This is more along the lines where you went to ATM and instead of $100 that you requested from ATM it dispersed you $500. You did not steal or counterfeit anything instead you were given an extra $400 due to ATM's dispersing glitch. Banks eventually finds the error and your account gets debited the difference.
This happened with FIFA numerous times over the years everything just gets reverted back no one gets banned. Difference with SDS they don't have the budget or the manpower that EA has to handle something like this. Meaning most likely scenario they just fix the glitch and we move on.
Except there was a sign on the ATM saying not to use it because of the error (TOS).
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@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@beanball0571_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
If SDS bans any of use who took advantage of their stupidity, then it will cost them dearly.
Exploiting this is a clear violation of their terms of service. I say bring down the ban hammer.
Everyday I spend $20 on stubs and buy packs. I am trying to pull Trout to complete the LS collection so I can use my favorite player of all time. The Captain. I have a habit of quickselling all non Diamond cards because I don't have time to list them on the market. I get banned because a few of my commons quick sold for more than they usually. I am now banned...based on your understanding of exploitation of the market. Sound business judgement.
Flip that around. Why would anyone continue to spend money on stubs when they can get them with exploits and not be punished?
This is more of an argument for SDS to clean up their updates. They caused this issue not the players.
Officer, I was only speeding because my car manufacturer made my car too fast.
Your car is out of gas as you pull up to the station. Gas usually sells for $5.99 per gallon but today the sign says $0.59. The sign on the door says after hours pay at the pump. The pump does not allow you to pay more than $0.59 per gallon. You leave your car and start walking home with your head held high.
I see you walking and I swerve towards a puddle to splash you as I laugh.
Your analogies need work.
You also seem very defensive. I never said you should be banned or what the bar is for exploiting a bug. Guilty conscience perhaps?
Your arguments have centered around the fact that you’re a customer and it’s a tempting and easy exploit. Well, so are the people that chose not to use the exploit and a lack of self control isn’t much of a defense.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@beanball0571_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
If SDS bans any of use who took advantage of their stupidity, then it will cost them dearly.
Exploiting this is a clear violation of their terms of service. I say bring down the ban hammer.
Everyday I spend $20 on stubs and buy packs. I am trying to pull Trout to complete the LS collection so I can use my favorite player of all time. The Captain. I have a habit of quickselling all non Diamond cards because I don't have time to list them on the market. I get banned because a few of my commons quick sold for more than they usually. I am now banned...based on your understanding of exploitation of the market. Sound business judgement.
Flip that around. Why would anyone continue to spend money on stubs when they can get them with exploits and not be punished?
This is more of an argument for SDS to clean up their updates. They caused this issue not the players.
Officer, I was only speeding because my car manufacturer made my car too fast.
Your car is out of gas as you pull up to the station. Gas usually sells for $5.99 per gallon but today the sign says $0.59. The sign on the door says after hours pay at the pump. The pump does not allow you to pay more than $0.59 per gallon. You leave your car and start walking home with your head held high.
I see you walking and I swerve towards a puddle to splash you as I laugh.
Your analogies need work.
He said soakingly
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I’m just here for the horrible analogies…
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It will be interesting to see what SDS does. It’s a complex decision and the longer it goes on the worse it gets.
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If exploiting a bug is a ban then surely they would have to ban everyone using the Ohtani glitch in ranked
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If they ban people for this; then they should ban all the streamers that were promoting on their channels.
But, nope, streamers won't get banned. There are still three to four, that I know of, that still promote buying stubs from a third party.
Someone buys those stubs; they're banned. But the streamers that keep promoting the sites get nothing.
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If anyone needs to be banned, it's people that keep making these ridiculous mistakes. Double text on mission lists. Invalid roster errors. Destroying the market.
Ban them from the SDS office, because it's getting embarrassing. Do they even test any of these updates before pushing them out?
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@beanball0571_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
If SDS bans any of use who took advantage of their stupidity, then it will cost them dearly.
Exploiting this is a clear violation of their terms of service. I say bring down the ban hammer.
And again, not enforcing this would punish those who didn’t use the exploit due to market inflation, as well set a bad precedent for future exploits.
So everyone who uses the shohei glitch should be banned, or tye two way cap glitch should be banned. That’s exploiting the game due to SDS’s stupidity correct? So quick selling a card due to their stupidity isn’t anyone’s fault but their own.
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Has anyone got banned?
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@X-FREEZE-OFF-X_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
If they ban people for this; then they should ban all the streamers that were promoting on their channels.
But, nope, streamers won't get banned. There are still three to four, that I know of, that still promote buying stubs from a third party.
Someone buys those stubs; they're banned. But the streamers that keep promoting the sites get nothing.
Oh they get a commission from the 3rd party site
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@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@beanball0571_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
If SDS bans any of use who took advantage of their stupidity, then it will cost them dearly.
Exploiting this is a clear violation of their terms of service. I say bring down the ban hammer.
Everyday I spend $20 on stubs and buy packs. I am trying to pull Trout to complete the LS collection so I can use my favorite player of all time. The Captain. I have a habit of quickselling all non Diamond cards because I don't have time to list them on the market. I get banned because a few of my commons quick sold for more than they usually. I am now banned...based on your understanding of exploitation of the market. Sound business judgement.
Trout is 116k right now. Just a suggestion but rather than gambling 20 dollars a day, you could just buy the stubs to buy the card. Just a suggestion.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@beanball0571_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
If SDS bans any of use who took advantage of their stupidity, then it will cost them dearly.
Exploiting this is a clear violation of their terms of service. I say bring down the ban hammer.
Everyday I spend $20 on stubs and buy packs. I am trying to pull Trout to complete the LS collection so I can use my favorite player of all time. The Captain. I have a habit of quickselling all non Diamond cards because I don't have time to list them on the market. I get banned because a few of my commons quick sold for more than they usually. I am now banned...based on your understanding of exploitation of the market. Sound business judgement.
Flip that around. Why would anyone continue to spend money on stubs when they can get them with exploits and not be punished?
This is more of an argument for SDS to clean up their updates. They caused this issue not the players.
Officer, I was only speeding because my car manufacturer made my car too fast.
Your car is out of gas as you pull up to the station. Gas usually sells for $5.99 per gallon but today the sign says $0.59. The sign on the door says after hours pay at the pump. The pump does not allow you to pay more than $0.59 per gallon. You leave your car and start walking home with your head held high.
I see you walking and I swerve towards a puddle to splash you as I laugh.
Your analogies need work.
You also seem very defensive. I never said you should be banned or what the bar is for exploiting a bug. Guilty conscience perhaps?
Your arguments have centered around the fact that you’re a customer and it’s a tempting and easy exploit. Well, so are the people that chose not to use the exploit and a lack of self control isn’t much of a defense.
I'm not defensive. Do you remember we did a league with Write to Shawn last year. I have been a follower for quite a while and on most issues, especially social ones, we are aligned . I am just giving you a different perspective on what happened today. Not once did I put you down in a mean way.
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@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@beanball0571_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
If SDS bans any of use who took advantage of their stupidity, then it will cost them dearly.
Exploiting this is a clear violation of their terms of service. I say bring down the ban hammer.
Everyday I spend $20 on stubs and buy packs. I am trying to pull Trout to complete the LS collection so I can use my favorite player of all time. The Captain. I have a habit of quickselling all non Diamond cards because I don't have time to list them on the market. I get banned because a few of my commons quick sold for more than they usually. I am now banned...based on your understanding of exploitation of the market. Sound business judgement.
Trout is 116k right now. Just a suggestion but rather than gambling 20 dollars a day, you could just buy the stubs to buy the card. Just a suggestion.
I have all collections done NMS. I was just giving a scenario that I know exists and provides way more money to SDS that could easily be caught up in this.
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@JiggidyJJ_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
Has anyone got banned?
Samy77 has.
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@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@beanball0571_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
If SDS bans any of use who took advantage of their stupidity, then it will cost them dearly.
Exploiting this is a clear violation of their terms of service. I say bring down the ban hammer.
Everyday I spend $20 on stubs and buy packs. I am trying to pull Trout to complete the LS collection so I can use my favorite player of all time. The Captain. I have a habit of quickselling all non Diamond cards because I don't have time to list them on the market. I get banned because a few of my commons quick sold for more than they usually. I am now banned...based on your understanding of exploitation of the market. Sound business judgement.
Flip that around. Why would anyone continue to spend money on stubs when they can get them with exploits and not be punished?
This is more of an argument for SDS to clean up their updates. They caused this issue not the players.
Officer, I was only speeding because my car manufacturer made my car too fast.
Your car is out of gas as you pull up to the station. Gas usually sells for $5.99 per gallon but today the sign says $0.59. The sign on the door says after hours pay at the pump. The pump does not allow you to pay more than $0.59 per gallon. You leave your car and start walking home with your head held high.
I see you walking and I swerve towards a puddle to splash you as I laugh.
Your analogies need work.
You also seem very defensive. I never said you should be banned or what the bar is for exploiting a bug. Guilty conscience perhaps?
Your arguments have centered around the fact that you’re a customer and it’s a tempting and easy exploit. Well, so are the people that chose not to use the exploit and a lack of self control isn’t much of a defense.
I'm not defensive. Do you remember we did a league with Write to Shawn last year. I have been a follower for quite a while and on most issues, especially social ones, we are aligned . I am just giving you a different perspective on what happened today. Not once did I put you down in a mean way.
I acknowledge the complexity of SDS’s decision due to financial reasons, but the TOS are very clear about this. I would be disappointed if they choose not to punish or at least remove illegitimately earned stubs. At the very least, most would not hesitate to take advantage of future exploits. At worst, if the inflation was bad enough, some would reconsider future stub or game purchases.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@theBlindRhino said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
@beanball0571_PSN said in Companion App Bug and Suspicious Market Activity:
If SDS bans any of use who took advantage of their stupidity, then it will cost them dearly.
Exploiting this is a clear violation of their terms of service. I say bring down the ban hammer.
Everyday I spend $20 on stubs and buy packs. I am trying to pull Trout to complete the LS collection so I can use my favorite player of all time. The Captain. I have a habit of quickselling all non Diamond cards because I don't have time to list them on the market. I get banned because a few of my commons quick sold for more than they usually. I am now banned...based on your understanding of exploitation of the market. Sound business judgement.
Flip that around. Why would anyone continue to spend money on stubs when they can get them with exploits and not be punished?
This is more of an argument for SDS to clean up their updates. They caused this issue not the players.
Officer, I was only speeding because my car manufacturer made my car too fast.
Your car is out of gas as you pull up to the station. Gas usually sells for $5.99 per gallon but today the sign says $0.59. The sign on the door says after hours pay at the pump. The pump does not allow you to pay more than $0.59 per gallon. You leave your car and start walking home with your head held high.
I see you walking and I swerve towards a puddle to splash you as I laugh.
Your analogies need work.
You also seem very defensive. I never said you should be banned or what the bar is for exploiting a bug. Guilty conscience perhaps?
Your arguments have centered around the fact that you’re a customer and it’s a tempting and easy exploit. Well, so are the people that chose not to use the exploit and a lack of self control isn’t much of a defense.
I'm not defensive. Do you remember we did a league with Write to Shawn last year. I have been a follower for quite a while and on most issues, especially social ones, we are aligned . I am just giving you a different perspective on what happened today. Not once did I put you down in a mean way.
I acknowledge the complexity of SDS’s decision due to financial reasons, but the TOS are very clear about this. I would be disappointed if they choose not to punish or at least remove illegitimately earned stubs. At the very least, most would not hesitate to take advantage of future exploits. At worst, if the inflation was bad enough, some would reconsider future stub or game purchases.
I wouldn't care. The gains are about 2% of my balance.
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Bottom line is the someone at SDS messed up. The player base did not. I don't get a paycheck from SDS. It's not my job to recognize when someone in their office dropped the ball. If I push the quick sell button does the TOS say I should wait until SDS fixes their mistake?
This is a major game that pulls in tons of money and it's clear the entire company will take weekends off together. Otherwise Sammy's post wouldn't have been up for four days They should consider their mistake today a make up for all the co-op freezes and all the mini-season restarts we have had to just...I dunno...deal with.
If someone looks at those of us that quick sold and truly thinks they deserve any kind of ban then for your sake I hope you get your wish. But it'll mean less interaction. Longer waits when playing online. And less movement in the market.
