Fix contact swings
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@king_dome30_psn said in Fix contact swings:
@stinkysman77_mlbts said in Fix contact swings:
@king_dome30_psn said in Fix contact swings:
Contact swings with power hitters resulting in blooped singles.. over and over and over.
What’s the point of Power, Contact and Balanced card types if every result will be the same?
Contact swinging with power hitters should penalize you with outs instead of rewarding you with hits when you’re off the ball or late or early.
So only power swing with power hitters?
I’m saying if you good/good power swing with a power hitter , it should be a homer or at least a missile off the wall (most of the time)
Good/good Contact swings with contact hitters should result in softer base hits than a power swing or normal swing. Also these late and early contact swings should be routine pop outs or grounders (most of the time) instead of bloopers and dribblers into the outfield which I’ve noticed way too frequently.
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I have a bit of a theory on this. I don't actually believe it's unrealistic to have home runs hit with contact swing. I actually believe it's realistic. This is because bat speed wouldn't decrease on such swings, but it's about choking up on the bat and getting better control. If a batter squares up on a 'contact' swing and there's a bit of lift or a well-hit liner, then I think there's a chance to go, as much as for a 'power' swing where there's no choking up and the hands are coming through low on the bat with less control (smaller PCI in game terms). I'm sure what this does in game terms is give a the player a chance to use full potential power on a squared-up power swing, but certainly decreases the chance of good contact on off-centre swings which the contact swing would allow. But ultimately, I believe bat speed is still good on a contact swing, so the homer potential is certainly there. I'm sure the game math would give a better chance for a homer on a squared-up power swing vs a squared-up contact swing, but it's a lot harder to square up the power swings so I'm not sure how many people are actually using power swing all the time.
What's interesting is that if people are using contact swing a lot and getting good results (everyone talks about their opponents, but what they are doing is interesting too!), it could be revealing a 'problem' with contact swinging, or it could simply be revealing the fact that swing speed is always there, which I believe to be the case. If we believe 'contact' hitters shouldn't be hitting home runs, then we've got a philosophical problem more than a physics problem. Paul Molitor hit 234 big league homers with a 'contact'-type swing, and that's got to be taken with a grain of salt considering how many games and huge parts of seasons he lost due to injury.
I just watched video of Tony Fernandez hitting a go-ahead home run late in a postseason game (sorry Orioles fans, you probably remember that one). His swing looked liked his swing always does, but he definitely got some lift on the ball. It was swing plane lift rather than upper-cut lift, but the thing is, the bat speed was there. He could have hit a line drive if the bat had come through a fraction higher. He could have hit a bloop if the bat was a fraction lower. Most of the time, these hitters are going to get the bat through the zone with good swing speed. A great hitter can slow the swing down on a pitch that initially fools them and try to make incidental contact, and sure, that can lead to hits as well, but mostly I believe contact swinging is about choking up with good bat speed.
I haven't played online much this year, but I dipped my toe into events yesterday and played around with the three swing types. I managed to hit homers with all three swing types, but I had good squared-up contact on all three. With the power swing, it was absolutely dead-centre in the middle of the tiny PCI, so thanks to my opponent for throwing a pitch I could square up so well. The contact swing homer, I'm pretty sure was an inside cutter that I pulled a little bit (so ball to the slight inside of the PCI) but I was pulling the left stick to get around that ball, so I think it was just a good swing on the pitch that was thrown. For sure I believe swing timing is incredibly important to success with a contact swing, but I think contact will give chances for off-centre and badly timed contact to be in play, but this would come from greater bat control (which I believe would be choking up in a real-life context). Swing speed would still be there. I don't believe it would be represented by swinging slower all that much, because that's really the opposite of good technique.
Pitchers keep arm speed the same for fastballs and changeups. Tennis players keep arm speed the same for flat serves and kick serves. Similarly I believe contact swing is still a 'fast' swing in gameplay context, so if you put a good swing on the right pitch, I believe it'll go (pretty far). Whether or not the mechanic is actually broken to the degree that's being suggested (if I'm reading the forum right, some users are suggesting that contact is giving a home run bonus) I don't know. I'm just saying I believe it's ok and realistic to be able to hit homers with a contact swing.
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I am actually starting to wonder if the Contact issues this year are derived from competitive mode. In years past RNG may have been keeping Contact hits and Contact HRs at bay.
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Like I said in a previous post, "contact" swinging in actual baseball is swinging in a fashion like throwing your bat at the ball to make contact to avoid striking out or to move a runner up. Sometimes they do end up as hits, but never do you see them resulting in homeruns of 450+ ft. Something isn't right and SDS acknowledged in a stream a few weeks back it needed tweeking and left it at that and nothing has ever been done. That's why guys are mad.
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@thaghettoblasta said in Fix contact swings:
Like I said in a previous post, "contact" swinging in actual baseball is swinging in a fashion like throwing your bat at the ball to make contact to avoid striking out or to move a runner up. Sometimes they do end up as hits, but never do you see them resulting in homeruns of 450+ ft. Something isn't right and SDS acknowledged in a stream a few weeks back it needed tweeking and left it at that and nothing has ever been done. That's why guys are mad.
Not 100% that I'd agree that's the only definition of a contact swing, but fair point about what SDS said because I was unaware of that.
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@thaghettoblasta said in Fix contact swings:
Like I said in a previous post, "contact" swinging in actual baseball is swinging in a fashion like throwing your bat at the ball to make contact to avoid striking out or to move a runner up. Sometimes they do end up as hits, but never do you see them resulting in homeruns of 450+ ft. Something isn't right and SDS acknowledged in a stream a few weeks back it needed tweeking and left it at that and nothing has ever been done. That's why guys are mad.
But this guy is complaining cause contact swings are Dribblers and Bloops...and power guys shouldn't be doing that with contact swing...
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@cbpm72_psn said in Fix contact swings:
@thaghettoblasta said in Fix contact swings:
Like I said in a previous post, "contact" swinging in actual baseball is swinging in a fashion like throwing your bat at the ball to make contact to avoid striking out or to move a runner up. Sometimes they do end up as hits, but never do you see them resulting in homeruns of 450+ ft. Something isn't right and SDS acknowledged in a stream a few weeks back it needed tweeking and left it at that and nothing has ever been done. That's why guys are mad.
Not 100% that I'd agree that's the only definition of a contact swing, but fair point about what SDS said because I was unaware of that.
I mean, when a guy doesn't move his PCI and is hitting bombs with a PCI that coverers 80% of the strike zone with terrible PCI placement, it's just dumb. Just use Directional.
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@thaghettoblasta said in Fix contact swings:
@cbpm72_psn said in Fix contact swings:
@thaghettoblasta said in Fix contact swings:
Like I said in a previous post, "contact" swinging in actual baseball is swinging in a fashion like throwing your bat at the ball to make contact to avoid striking out or to move a runner up. Sometimes they do end up as hits, but never do you see them resulting in homeruns of 450+ ft. Something isn't right and SDS acknowledged in a stream a few weeks back it needed tweeking and left it at that and nothing has ever been done. That's why guys are mad.
Not 100% that I'd agree that's the only definition of a contact swing, but fair point about what SDS said because I was unaware of that.
I mean, when a guy doesn't move his PCI and is hitting bombs with a PCI that coverers 80% of the strike zone with terrible PCI placement, it's just dumb. Just use Directional.
My personal experience of hitting a HR with contact swing was that I moved the PCI pretty well to an inside cutter, but yeah the PCI is pretty big though. I don't know what would have happened if I hadn't moved the PCI, but I moved it to a better spot and the ball went out. I suppose I could try experimenting with contact swinging and not touching the left stick at all to see if I hit any bombs. I'll report back.
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@gixxerryder750 said in Fix contact swings:
@thaghettoblasta said in Fix contact swings:
Like I said in a previous post, "contact" swinging in actual baseball is swinging in a fashion like throwing your bat at the ball to make contact to avoid striking out or to move a runner up. Sometimes they do end up as hits, but never do you see them resulting in homeruns of 450+ ft. Something isn't right and SDS acknowledged in a stream a few weeks back it needed tweeking and left it at that and nothing has ever been done. That's why guys are mad.
But this guy is complaining cause contact swings are Dribblers and Bloops...and power guys shouldn't be doing that with contact swing...
It is what it is for now. It's not working properly. I'll just take advantage while we can and always hope you're the away team so you can draw first blood...lol.
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@cbpm72_psn said in Fix contact swings:
@thaghettoblasta said in Fix contact swings:
@cbpm72_psn said in Fix contact swings:
@thaghettoblasta said in Fix contact swings:
Like I said in a previous post, "contact" swinging in actual baseball is swinging in a fashion like throwing your bat at the ball to make contact to avoid striking out or to move a runner up. Sometimes they do end up as hits, but never do you see them resulting in homeruns of 450+ ft. Something isn't right and SDS acknowledged in a stream a few weeks back it needed tweeking and left it at that and nothing has ever been done. That's why guys are mad.
Not 100% that I'd agree that's the only definition of a contact swing, but fair point about what SDS said because I was unaware of that.
I mean, when a guy doesn't move his PCI and is hitting bombs with a PCI that coverers 80% of the strike zone with terrible PCI placement, it's just dumb. Just use Directional.
My personal experience of hitting a HR with contact swing was that I moved the PCI pretty well to an inside cutter, but yeah the PCI is pretty big though. I don't know what would have happened if I hadn't moved the PCI, but I moved it to a better spot and the ball went out. I suppose I could try experimenting with contact swinging and not touching the left stick at all to see if I hit any bombs. I'll report back.
The events game has frozen on me, but in the one inning I had at bat, I didn't move the left sick and hit contact swing only. I popped up, struck out, and softly flied out to shallow centre. No more experiments not moving the PCI, that was grim. Anyway, no home runs or anything close to it.
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@cbpm72_psn said in Fix contact swings:
I have a bit of a theory on this. I don't actually believe it's unrealistic to have home runs hit with contact swing. I actually believe it's realistic. This is because bat speed wouldn't decrease on such swings, but it's about choking up on the bat and getting better control. If a batter squares up on a 'contact' swing and there's a bit of lift or a well-hit liner, then I think there's a chance to go, as much as for a 'power' swing where there's no choking up and the hands are coming through low on the bat with less control (smaller PCI in game terms). I'm sure what this does in game terms is give a the player a chance to use full potential power on a squared-up power swing, but certainly decreases the chance of good contact on off-centre swings which the contact swing would allow. But ultimately, I believe bat speed is still good on a contact swing, so the homer potential is certainly there. I'm sure the game math would give a better chance for a homer on a squared-up power swing vs a squared-up contact swing, but it's a lot harder to square up the power swings so I'm not sure how many people are actually using power swing all the time.
What's interesting is that if people are using contact swing a lot and getting good results (everyone talks about their opponents, but what they are doing is interesting too!), it could be revealing a 'problem' with contact swinging, or it could simply be revealing the fact that swing speed is always there, which I believe to be the case. If we believe 'contact' hitters shouldn't be hitting home runs, then we've got a philosophical problem more than a physics problem. Paul Molitor hit 234 big league homers with a 'contact'-type swing, and that's got to be taken with a grain of salt considering how many games and huge parts of seasons he lost due to injury.
I just watched video of Tony Fernandez hitting a go-ahead home run late in a postseason game (sorry Orioles fans, you probably remember that one). His swing looked liked his swing always does, but he definitely got some lift on the ball. It was swing plane lift rather than upper-cut lift, but the thing is, the bat speed was there. He could have hit a line drive if the bat had come through a fraction higher. He could have hit a bloop if the bat was a fraction lower. Most of the time, these hitters are going to get the bat through the zone with good swing speed. A great hitter can slow the swing down on a pitch that initially fools them and try to make incidental contact, and sure, that can lead to hits as well, but mostly I believe contact swinging is about choking up with good bat speed.
I haven't played online much this year, but I dipped my toe into events yesterday and played around with the three swing types. I managed to hit homers with all three swing types, but I had good squared-up contact on all three. With the power swing, it was absolutely dead-centre in the middle of the tiny PCI, so thanks to my opponent for throwing a pitch I could square up so well. The contact swing homer, I'm pretty sure was an inside cutter that I pulled a little bit (so ball to the slight inside of the PCI) but I was pulling the left stick to get around that ball, so I think it was just a good swing on the pitch that was thrown. For sure I believe swing timing is incredibly important to success with a contact swing, but I think contact will give chances for off-centre and badly timed contact to be in play, but this would come from greater bat control (which I believe would be choking up in a real-life context). Swing speed would still be there. I don't believe it would be represented by swinging slower all that much, because that's really the opposite of good technique.
Pitchers keep arm speed the same for fastballs and changeups. Tennis players keep arm speed the same for flat serves and kick serves. Similarly I believe contact swing is still a 'fast' swing in gameplay context, so if you put a good swing on the right pitch, I believe it'll go (pretty far). Whether or not the mechanic is actually broken to the degree that's being suggested (if I'm reading the forum right, some users are suggesting that contact is giving a home run bonus) I don't know. I'm just saying I believe it's ok and realistic to be able to hit homers with a contact swing.
You make good, rational points that go along with your idea of what contact swing means, but contact swinging is an approach mindset that leads to a physical change in the swing. Your examples of a changeup and tennis swings shows that you don’t quite understand the concept of contact swinging. (I’m not trying to demean you or insult your understanding, I’m just trying to educate the difference). The number one change when it comes to contact swings is that it is designed to just make contact with the ball. Contact swing doesn’t mean to shorten up on the bat, this is an option a batter can do to have more success with contact swinging, but not what contact swinging is. It’s an approach where you “cut down” on your swing to have a better chance. This means not trying to swing as hard, which gives you more bat control to make contact. It’s opposite is of course power swinging, this is designed to swing as hard and fast as possible, but the downside is you have less of a chance to make solid contact. Imagine swinging a hammer at a nail, if you swing as hard as you can it’s harder to hit the nail correctly, but if you swing the hammer slower, you have more control of the hammer to correctly hit the nail.
To address your examples at the end, throwing a changeup is thrown with fastball intent and fastball arm speed with the only difference being the grip and hand motion at the end, that’s what slows the ball down. You had it right with tennis players and their arm speed, but after their first fault, they change their serve to be more slower and more controlled to land it in the box, resulting is a slower serve speed. That’s exactly what contact swinging is meant to do.
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I just played a very good hitter thst was abusing this. Dude lit me up for 14 runs. I thought it was broken before, now I know it’s beyond broken…
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It blows my mind people scoff at this like it’s a non issue.
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