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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
If you work, you could tell the owner of your company that you want the same pay for half the work even though the company is not bringing in the normal business. Let me know how that works for you.
The players don’t want the same pay for half the work. They are fine with half the pay for half the work. The owners want to give them an 80% pay cut for half the work. And you can’t compare this to normal jobs. At normal jobs people can be easily replaced. Professional athletes can’t be replaced that easily
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@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
You do realize that owners OWN the company right? You can say what you want but the majority of people will blame the players. If I was an owner, I would tell the players association to pi$$ off. Who do you think is going to get hurt more? Billionaire owners who more than likely have other incomes or athletes. That is a very easy one.
Owners tell the players to pizz off all the time and the players laugh then say ok good luck without me. Then the owners come crawling back and give the players a fair deal. It’s the reason why baseball has had more work stoppages than any other sport. Owners try to flex their greed way too often and the players association has to bring them back down to reality. Hopefully it happens again in this case.
This mentality will not work.
Ask yourself this..Who is prepared for a long term siege war?
It is the owners, they have the leverage, they have the resources and additional income streams.Why do you think the NFL and NBA always break thier unions?
The MLBPA is the outlier, they have never lost. They have been able to maintain solidarity amongst the rank and file to withstand work stoppages.
But that was in the age of owners main source of income being the team. Now in the age of mega corporations and mergers, owners have additional sources of income that did not exisist in the last major work stoppage in 1994.
If there is a prolonged work stoppage the owners will ultimately win.
Top guys like Scherzer and Trout will be able to last but its the guys making the minimum or lower wages that are the majority of union. Once those guys burn through thier reserves that is when the union breaks. -
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
If you work, you could tell the owner of your company that you want the same pay for half the work even though the company is not bringing in the normal business. Let me know how that works for you.
No but the players aren’t asking for 8 hours of pay for only 4 hours work nor would I. If I work 4 hours then pay me for 4 hours. If the players only play half a season then they should be paid for half a season.
Using your own example imagine your boss says I know you normally work a full day and normally I would pay you for a full a day. But without customers I can only afford to pay you for 2 hours of work now but you only have to work 4 hours each day. Sound fair....
Um no. Just like any other legitimate business, he’ll say I’m sorry man, business is bad, I don’t much revenue coming in right now, I’m gonna have to let you go
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@the_dragon1912 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
If you work, you could tell the owner of your company that you want the same pay for half the work even though the company is not bringing in the normal business. Let me know how that works for you.
The players don’t want the same pay for half the work. They are fine with half the pay for half the work. The owners want to give them an 80% pay cut for half the work. And you can’t compare this to normal jobs. At normal jobs people can be easily replaced. Professional athletes can’t be replaced that easily
Half the pay for half the work with a lot less revenue coming in.
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@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
TBF, companies across the country have been doing the same thing. ESPN went to their personalities and asked them all to take less. The company that one of my family members works for also cut compensation across the board. Some companies arent going to ever come back from this.
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@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
If you work, you could tell the owner of your company that you want the same pay for half the work even though the company is not bringing in the normal business. Let me know how that works for you.
No but the players aren’t asking for 8 hours of pay for only 4 hours work nor would I. If I work 4 hours then pay me for 4 hours. If the players only play half a season then they should be paid for half a season.
Using your own example imagine your boss says I know you normally work a full day and normally I would pay you for a full a day. But without customers I can only afford to pay you for 2 hours of work now but you only have to work 4 hours each day. Sound fair....
Um no. Just like any other legitimate business, he’ll say I’m sorry man, business is bad, I don’t much revenue coming in right now, I’m gonna have to let you go
I’m aware of that but no baseball owner is gonna let mike trout go lol. So they need to stop being greedy and pay the players a prorated salary and move on
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@formallyforearms said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
TBF, companies across the country have been doing the same thing. ESPN went to their personalities and asked them all to take less. The company that one of my family members works for also cut compensation across the board. Some companies arent going to ever come back from this.
It would be fair if the owners were willing to take a similar loss but to my understanding they refuse to tell the players association what their projected profits/losses would be from this. So they want everyone else to take a hit now when in reality they don’t know how much they are gonna lose at all or they are hiding those numbers which seems sketchy as hell and I wouldn’t make a deal with someone acting like that.
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@olivegarden2 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I'm not on either side. I just want them to figure it out so I can watch some baseball
Yes. Dodgers fans, Red Sox fans, Astros fans...we can all agree on that.
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@MathMan5072 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@olivegarden2 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I'm not on either side. I just want them to figure it out so I can watch some baseball
Yes. Dodgers fans, Red Sox fans, Astros fans...we can all agree on that.
Don't forget the 1 or 2 dozen Marlins fans
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@ItsaCanesthing said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@MathMan5072 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@olivegarden2 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I'm not on either side. I just want them to figure it out so I can watch some baseball
Yes. Dodgers fans, Red Sox fans, Astros fans...we can all agree on that.
Don't forget the 1 or 2 dozen Marlins fans
You’re right. I was actually excited for the Marlins this year. I thought they had a chance to make a little jump from where they’ve been. So, apologies.
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@MathMan5072 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@ItsaCanesthing said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@MathMan5072 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@olivegarden2 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I'm not on either side. I just want them to figure it out so I can watch some baseball
Yes. Dodgers fans, Red Sox fans, Astros fans...we can all agree on that.
Don't forget the 1 or 2 dozen Marlins fans
You’re right. I was actually excited for the Marlins this year. I thought they had a chance to make a little jump from where they’ve been. So, apologies.
The worst part about a shortened season is that we will not be able to sell off Villar and Dickerson at the deadline for prospects.
I applauded the moves because I envisioned the team flipping them for prospects in the same manner we did Romo last year (We got Lewin Diaz back for a rent a player).The shortened season means the fish will be in the running longer, especially if they expand the playoff field.
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@ItsaCanesthing said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@MathMan5072 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@ItsaCanesthing said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@MathMan5072 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@olivegarden2 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I'm not on either side. I just want them to figure it out so I can watch some baseball
Yes. Dodgers fans, Red Sox fans, Astros fans...we can all agree on that.
Don't forget the 1 or 2 dozen Marlins fans
You’re right. I was actually excited for the Marlins this year. I thought they had a chance to make a little jump from where they’ve been. So, apologies.
The worst part about a shortened season is that we will not be able to sell off Villar and Dickerson at the deadline for prospects.
I applauded the moves because I envisioned the team flipping them for prospects in the same manner we did Romo last year (We got Lewin Diaz back for a rent a player).The shortened season means the fish will be in the running longer, especially if they expand the playoff field.
That’s the trade off I guess. Maybe the marlins play out of their minds for 2 months and become America’s sweethearts. Only of course to be crushed by some juggernaut. But still...there’s always hope.
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@MathMan5072 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@ItsaCanesthing said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@MathMan5072 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@ItsaCanesthing said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@MathMan5072 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@olivegarden2 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I'm not on either side. I just want them to figure it out so I can watch some baseball
Yes. Dodgers fans, Red Sox fans, Astros fans...we can all agree on that.
Don't forget the 1 or 2 dozen Marlins fans
You’re right. I was actually excited for the Marlins this year. I thought they had a chance to make a little jump from where they’ve been. So, apologies.
The worst part about a shortened season is that we will not be able to sell off Villar and Dickerson at the deadline for prospects.
I applauded the moves because I envisioned the team flipping them for prospects in the same manner we did Romo last year (We got Lewin Diaz back for a rent a player).The shortened season means the fish will be in the running longer, especially if they expand the playoff field.
That’s the trade off I guess. Maybe the marlins play out of their minds for 2 months and become America’s sweethearts. Only of course to be crushed by some juggernaut. But still...there’s always hope.
No sir, the Marlins ARE the Juggernaut!!!!
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Been thinking not only baseball but all the sports that will try and play again in 2020, are they going to let mangers, coaches, & GMs opt out til theres a cure??
What about players with asthma or other health concerns, will they be able to say I'm not playing without punishment?
I want baseball, basketball and hockey back but I do feel uneasy about this.
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Just read on Twitter that players like Prince Fielder and Bobby Bonilla would still get paid in full. So under the owners proposal, Prince fielder, who retired in 2016, would be the highest paid baseball player. That is another reason why I side with the players on this one. If I am Christian Yelich or Mile trout, there is now way in hell that I would be okay with making less money for actually playing than someone who hasn’t played in 4 years
Here is the link:link text
If the tigers, who have 2 of the top 5 worst contracts in baseball plus owing 6 million to Fielder plus being the worst team in the league won’t lose money with prorated salaries, there isn’t many teams who will
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@the_dragon1912 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
Just read on Twitter that players like Prince Fielder and Bobby Bonilla would still get paid in full. So under the owners proposal, Prince fielder, who retired in 2016, would be the highest paid baseball player. That is another reason why I side with the players on this one. If I am Christian Yelich or Mile trout, there is now way in hell that I would be okay with making less money for actually playing than someone who hasn’t played in 4 years
Here is the link:link text
If the tigers, who have 2 of the top 5 worst contracts in baseball plus owing 6 million to Fielder plus being the worst team in the league won’t lose money with prorated salaries, there isn’t many teams who will
You do realize that is deferred money that was earned already?
The players (Prince & Bobby Bo) took less money in exchange for an interest baring payout later on. The deferred money provided the team financial flexability to sign other players, make payroll, or any of a laundry list of things.The team essesntially used a real life credit card to get Prince.
It makes them no better or worse than us using a credit card to buy something.The cost for Prince is a sunk cost, it is accounted for the same way rent or stadium maintence is counted.
Has nothing to do with the current situation.Prince played his 162. He deserves to be paid for his 162 even if it is 10 years later.
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If the owners want a bailout they should ask for it from the government, like every other large company that doesn’t know wtf it’s doing does, and not its own employees.
But the owners know that if the public sees them asking for money from the government it will make them look even worse so they are asking the players to bail them out instead. When in reality most of these owners are BILLIONAIRES don’t even need it. It’s ridiculous
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