Where do we draw the line?
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@j9milz said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@HoffsDrawlar said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@HoffsDrawlar said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
Feedback is so broken you can’t be sure what you gave up any more. It makes zero sense. I just hit the ball to RF against Kluber with Rickey Henderson for a medium/deep flyout. This was my swing feedback: https://twitter.com/comeback_logic/status/1260882173411971072?s=21
I just can’t take this game seriously any more.
You're slightly off center, therefore=good/okay. The game has issues but if that was a good/okay then thats what it should've been, you weren't perfect with the placement. Perfect means perfect, not pretty close.
That is nonsense. What is your explanation for the early/ok homeruns where the ball is out of the pci?
Does it suck? Yes but in real life not every hard hit ball is a home run and on the other end every home run isn't necessarily squared up. You see guys hit the ball out on bad swings, off the end of their bat, with a flick of their wrists sometimes. It happens, are things frustrating at times? Absolutely but from my experience most of the hits go where I would think they would and most of the people who complain and claim RNG all the time aren't as good at the game as they think they are.
More nonsense, starting with “in real life”. This isn’t real life, it is a competitive video game. A ball in the center of the pci with good timing should be hit better than a ball out of the pci with early or late timing.
Its a simulation. So its actually supposed to be as real as it can be. There are plenty of fantasy baseball games to play if you want a cartoon slugfest but thats not this. In real life the top hitters fail 7 out of 10 times. Everyone who plays this game thinks every single time they hit the ball hard it should land somewhere, thats not realistic.
“This a a simulation in real life the best hitters fail 7 out of 10 times blah blah blah”. If you want a simulation play franchise or custom leagues with regular teams. Its not that hard. You know why real-life scores are 5-4, 5-3 6-4 etc.? Because a real team isn’t composed on 8 .300 hitters. A real team is composed of 1-2 .300 hitters, 1-2 .270-280 hitters, a couple .250 hitters, and a defensive catcher that hovers over the mendoza line. In DD we are using some of the BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME (I don’t care what anyone thinks about future stars I ‘m just trying to make a point). If a real life team had 8 .300 hitters, they would be averaging at minimum 10 hits a game. You might have a reasonable complaint about the Home runs, but the league total home run record has been broken 3 years in a row. Get with the times or GTFO. Quit ruining the game we love because you want 2-1 pitching duel snooze fests. There are plenty of options available for you do do that if you wish. DD is a fantasy mode as much as you want it to resemble real life baseball its not going to happen.
Yah, except you forgot the other end of the argument, you are also using the best pitchers as well, which would neutralize how good the bats are. This game is a simulation whether you like it or not. That what its advertised as. If you want something else, go play something else. People buy a baseball simulation. To play realistic baseball.
1vs9 Best pitcher all time vs nine greatest hitters of all time on 1 team. I'll take the batters everytime. Pitcher still has all the pressure.
100% wrong. Sorry but no way you take any hitter in this scenario. Best pitcher all time? Or like, a period in which a pitcher was the most dominant? Give me a '99 Pedro, '95 Maddux, 60's Koufax over any lineup any day.
Great pitching always beats great hitting. This is a well known fact to any baseball fan..Again you are forgetting the fact that not 1 pitcher in history has had to face a stacked lineup. There is Always and I mean Always 3 or 4 maybe more hitters in a lineup where a Pitcher can basically breath easy before having to fave another "top guy".
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@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@j9milz said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@HoffsDrawlar said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@HoffsDrawlar said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
Feedback is so broken you can’t be sure what you gave up any more. It makes zero sense. I just hit the ball to RF against Kluber with Rickey Henderson for a medium/deep flyout. This was my swing feedback: https://twitter.com/comeback_logic/status/1260882173411971072?s=21
I just can’t take this game seriously any more.
You're slightly off center, therefore=good/okay. The game has issues but if that was a good/okay then thats what it should've been, you weren't perfect with the placement. Perfect means perfect, not pretty close.
That is nonsense. What is your explanation for the early/ok homeruns where the ball is out of the pci?
Does it suck? Yes but in real life not every hard hit ball is a home run and on the other end every home run isn't necessarily squared up. You see guys hit the ball out on bad swings, off the end of their bat, with a flick of their wrists sometimes. It happens, are things frustrating at times? Absolutely but from my experience most of the hits go where I would think they would and most of the people who complain and claim RNG all the time aren't as good at the game as they think they are.
More nonsense, starting with “in real life”. This isn’t real life, it is a competitive video game. A ball in the center of the pci with good timing should be hit better than a ball out of the pci with early or late timing.
Its a simulation. So its actually supposed to be as real as it can be. There are plenty of fantasy baseball games to play if you want a cartoon slugfest but thats not this. In real life the top hitters fail 7 out of 10 times. Everyone who plays this game thinks every single time they hit the ball hard it should land somewhere, thats not realistic.
“This a a simulation in real life the best hitters fail 7 out of 10 times blah blah blah”. If you want a simulation play franchise or custom leagues with regular teams. Its not that hard. You know why real-life scores are 5-4, 5-3 6-4 etc.? Because a real team isn’t composed on 8 .300 hitters. A real team is composed of 1-2 .300 hitters, 1-2 .270-280 hitters, a couple .250 hitters, and a defensive catcher that hovers over the mendoza line. In DD we are using some of the BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME (I don’t care what anyone thinks about future stars I ‘m just trying to make a point). If a real life team had 8 .300 hitters, they would be averaging at minimum 10 hits a game. You might have a reasonable complaint about the Home runs, but the league total home run record has been broken 3 years in a row. Get with the times or GTFO. Quit ruining the game we love because you want 2-1 pitching duel snooze fests. There are plenty of options available for you do do that if you wish. DD is a fantasy mode as much as you want it to resemble real life baseball its not going to happen.
Yah, except you forgot the other end of the argument, you are also using the best pitchers as well, which would neutralize how good the bats are. This game is a simulation whether you like it or not. That what its advertised as. If you want something else, go play something else. People buy a baseball simulation. To play realistic baseball.
1vs9 Best pitcher all time vs nine greatest hitters of all time on 1 team. I'll take the batters everytime. Pitcher still has all the pressure.
Go check out the scores from the All-Star games. A lineup of top hitters vs top pitchers. Usually the score is pretty low.
LMAO all star game. 1. Your talking about 1 meaningless game per year. 2. just cuz a guy makes an all star team doesn't make him one of the greatest hitters all time. Doesn't even make him on of the best in the league. Guy could literally be an average hitter but an oustanding fielder and make an All star team. Hell he could be average at both and still make an all star team.
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@j9milz said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@j9milz said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@HoffsDrawlar said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@HoffsDrawlar said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
Feedback is so broken you can’t be sure what you gave up any more. It makes zero sense. I just hit the ball to RF against Kluber with Rickey Henderson for a medium/deep flyout. This was my swing feedback: https://twitter.com/comeback_logic/status/1260882173411971072?s=21
I just can’t take this game seriously any more.
You're slightly off center, therefore=good/okay. The game has issues but if that was a good/okay then thats what it should've been, you weren't perfect with the placement. Perfect means perfect, not pretty close.
That is nonsense. What is your explanation for the early/ok homeruns where the ball is out of the pci?
Does it suck? Yes but in real life not every hard hit ball is a home run and on the other end every home run isn't necessarily squared up. You see guys hit the ball out on bad swings, off the end of their bat, with a flick of their wrists sometimes. It happens, are things frustrating at times? Absolutely but from my experience most of the hits go where I would think they would and most of the people who complain and claim RNG all the time aren't as good at the game as they think they are.
More nonsense, starting with “in real life”. This isn’t real life, it is a competitive video game. A ball in the center of the pci with good timing should be hit better than a ball out of the pci with early or late timing.
Its a simulation. So its actually supposed to be as real as it can be. There are plenty of fantasy baseball games to play if you want a cartoon slugfest but thats not this. In real life the top hitters fail 7 out of 10 times. Everyone who plays this game thinks every single time they hit the ball hard it should land somewhere, thats not realistic.
“This a a simulation in real life the best hitters fail 7 out of 10 times blah blah blah”. If you want a simulation play franchise or custom leagues with regular teams. Its not that hard. You know why real-life scores are 5-4, 5-3 6-4 etc.? Because a real team isn’t composed on 8 .300 hitters. A real team is composed of 1-2 .300 hitters, 1-2 .270-280 hitters, a couple .250 hitters, and a defensive catcher that hovers over the mendoza line. In DD we are using some of the BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME (I don’t care what anyone thinks about future stars I ‘m just trying to make a point). If a real life team had 8 .300 hitters, they would be averaging at minimum 10 hits a game. You might have a reasonable complaint about the Home runs, but the league total home run record has been broken 3 years in a row. Get with the times or GTFO. Quit ruining the game we love because you want 2-1 pitching duel snooze fests. There are plenty of options available for you do do that if you wish. DD is a fantasy mode as much as you want it to resemble real life baseball its not going to happen.
Yah, except you forgot the other end of the argument, you are also using the best pitchers as well, which would neutralize how good the bats are. This game is a simulation whether you like it or not. That what its advertised as. If you want something else, go play something else. People buy a baseball simulation. To play realistic baseball.
1vs9 Best pitcher all time vs nine greatest hitters of all time on 1 team. I'll take the batters everytime. Pitcher still has all the pressure.
Go check out the scores from the All-Star games. A lineup of top hitters vs top pitchers. Usually the score is pretty low.
LMAO all star game. 1. Your talking about 1 meaningless game per year. 2. just cuz a guy makes an all star team doesn't make him one of the greatest hitters all time. Doesn't even make him on of the best in the league. Guy could literally be an average hitter but an oustanding fielder and make an All star team. Hell he could be average at both and still make an all star team.
Ok, want a better example? Look at the playoffs, pitching is king.
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Stop giving feedback so much credit. The game works fine, the feedback does not, it never has. I'm early or late a lot, the game says my timing was good. Know your results, don't trust what the game tells you they were.
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@AvidSpaceExplore said in Where do we draw the line?:
Stop giving feedback so much credit. The game works fine, the feedback does not, it never has. I'm early or late a lot, the game says my timing was good. Know your results, don't trust what the game tells you they were.
This is very true. There are many times when you have "good" timing on an inside pitch, but if you have a good sense of your timing, you will know that you were actually a little late on the ball and it's a weak fly to right-center. As for people that want every good swing to be rewarded and every bad swing to be punished, well that's what higher difficulties are for. HOF is less random than all-star just as legend is less random than HOF.
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Perfect/Perfect balls go for outs in the bigs, as do early/weak balls go out of the yard. I don’t have a problem how it is, baseball is hard and sometimes extremely lucky/unlucky. MLB league average BABIP sits around .300, that’s still 70% of the time you hit the ball you get out. I’m more concerned about actual glitches than this.
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I think based on all the whining and people wanting all their hits to be home runs they want final scores of 24-21
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@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
Feedback is so broken you can’t be sure what you gave up any more. It makes zero sense. I just hit the ball to RF against Kluber with Rickey Henderson for a medium/deep flyout. This was my swing feedback: https://twitter.com/comeback_logic/status/1260882173411971072?s=21
I just can’t take this game seriously any more.
You're slightly off center, therefore=good/okay. The game has issues but if that was a good/okay then thats what it should've been, you weren't perfect with the placement. Perfect means perfect, not pretty close.
My eyes got cancer reading this.
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@notoriousHEB said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
Feedback is so broken you can’t be sure what you gave up any more. It makes zero sense. I just hit the ball to RF against Kluber with Rickey Henderson for a medium/deep flyout. This was my swing feedback: https://twitter.com/comeback_logic/status/1260882173411971072?s=21
I just can’t take this game seriously any more.
You're slightly off center, therefore=good/okay. The game has issues but if that was a good/okay then thats what it should've been, you weren't perfect with the placement. Perfect means perfect, not pretty close.
My eyes got cancer reading this.
Good constructive criticism there but at least now you have another excuse for why you can't hit the ball.
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I just want hard contact/good timing swings to be rewarded in Moments and Showdown, these modes are already difficult enough. PVP which I don't play due to my poor skill level and the lag is another matter entirely. Make moments and showdown non difficult user friendly modes.
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To those saying to stop complaining about feedback cause it can be wrong, I don’t come on here and complain about good/okay or even the early or late/okay home runs I give up. However I don’t think there’s a thing you can say to justify a home run on a swing so early they’re lunging and contact so poor that it’s rolled over.
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@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@notoriousHEB said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
Feedback is so broken you can’t be sure what you gave up any more. It makes zero sense. I just hit the ball to RF against Kluber with Rickey Henderson for a medium/deep flyout. This was my swing feedback: https://twitter.com/comeback_logic/status/1260882173411971072?s=21
I just can’t take this game seriously any more.
You're slightly off center, therefore=good/okay. The game has issues but if that was a good/okay then thats what it should've been, you weren't perfect with the placement. Perfect means perfect, not pretty close.
My eyes got cancer reading this.
Good constructive criticism there but at least now you have another excuse for why you can't hit the ball.
I have no problem hitting but your "understanding" of the PCI is horrendous.
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How so? If you think that was a perfect/perfect that he posted a picture of you're dreaming.
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@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
Feedback is so broken you can’t be sure what you gave up any more. It makes zero sense. I just hit the ball to RF against Kluber with Rickey Henderson for a medium/deep flyout. This was my swing feedback: https://twitter.com/comeback_logic/status/1260882173411971072?s=21
I just can’t take this game seriously any more.
You're slightly off center, therefore=good/okay. The game has issues but if that was a good/okay then thats what it should've been, you weren't perfect with the placement. Perfect means perfect, not pretty close.
Are you actually stupid or just doing a passable impression? Regardless of the quality of contact made, which you know, I’m not even going to argue, the ball went to extreme RF, close to the right field foul pole with a right handed batter. Your answer is “The ball was slightly off Center, therefore good/okay”. Not late/okay, or late/good? Not even just late/okay? You’re so keen to defend this game you overlooked a glaring problem and focused on the okay part.
For the record, if that’s okay contact and we have further degrees of accuracy - namely good and squared up - in between that and perfect, I’m going to say right now that hitting is way too hard as is and demands an unreasonable degree of accuracy to succeed. How can you really be accurate to a pixel, which is what you’re implying here in your reply? Particularly on HoF or Legend with a much smaller PCI area. Even if you’re absolutely 100% correct in your assertion about the okay contact result being accurate in this specific instance, that still leaves the swing timing being wildly inaccurate and also the fact that the game demands that degree of accuracy to differentiate between okay, good, squared up and perfect appears to set players up to consistently fail at hitting. We also have the fact that many, many times we see balls that are further out from the centre of the PCI which are labelled good and have significantly higher exit velocities than balls in the general central region. Please go ahead and attempt to defend hitting further and I’ll continue to educate you on the reasons why you are wrong. -
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
Feedback is so broken you can’t be sure what you gave up any more. It makes zero sense. I just hit the ball to RF against Kluber with Rickey Henderson for a medium/deep flyout. This was my swing feedback: https://twitter.com/comeback_logic/status/1260882173411971072?s=21
I just can’t take this game seriously any more.
You're slightly off center, therefore=good/okay. The game has issues but if that was a good/okay then thats what it should've been, you weren't perfect with the placement. Perfect means perfect, not pretty close.
Are you actually stupid or just doing a passable impression? Regardless of the quality of contact made, which you know, I’m not even going to argue, the ball went to extreme RF, close to the right field foul pole with a right handed batter. Your answer is “The ball was slightly off Center, therefore good/okay”. Not late/okay, or late/good? Not even just late/okay? You’re so keen to defend this game you overlooked a glaring problem and focused on the okay part.
For the record, if that’s okay contact and we have further degrees of accuracy - namely good and squared up - in between that and perfect, I’m going to say right now that hitting is way too hard as is and demands an unreasonable degree of accuracy to succeed. How can you really be accurate to a pixel, which is what you’re implying here in your reply? Particularly on HoF or Legend with a much smaller PCI area. Even if you’re absolutely 100% correct in your assertion about the okay contact result being accurate in this specific instance, that still leaves the swing timing being wildly inaccurate and also the fact that the game demands that degree of accuracy to differentiate between okay, good, squared up and perfect appears to set players up to consistently fail at hitting. We also have the fact that many, many times we see balls that are further out from the centre of the PCI which are labelled good and have significantly higher exit velocities than balls in the general central region. Please go ahead and attempt to defend hitting further and I’ll continue to educate you on the reasons why you are wrong.Its OK dude, I accept that hitting is too hard for you. Way to go straight for the name calling instead of just making your argument. I get you're just frustrated because you aren't good at hitting but thats not my fault. I will continue to defend hitting against crybabies because out of the things that need fixing, hitting is not at the top of the list.
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@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
Feedback is so broken you can’t be sure what you gave up any more. It makes zero sense. I just hit the ball to RF against Kluber with Rickey Henderson for a medium/deep flyout. This was my swing feedback: https://twitter.com/comeback_logic/status/1260882173411971072?s=21
I just can’t take this game seriously any more.
You're slightly off center, therefore=good/okay. The game has issues but if that was a good/okay then thats what it should've been, you weren't perfect with the placement. Perfect means perfect, not pretty close.
Lmao. Ok, so what woukd good or squared up look like if that was ok? Plus you know there are thousands of other examples of the ball being further from center and getting a perfect.
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@ChuckCLC said in Where do we draw the line?:
@Kovz88 said in Where do we draw the line?:
@ComebackLogic said in Where do we draw the line?:
Feedback is so broken you can’t be sure what you gave up any more. It makes zero sense. I just hit the ball to RF against Kluber with Rickey Henderson for a medium/deep flyout. This was my swing feedback: https://twitter.com/comeback_logic/status/1260882173411971072?s=21
I just can’t take this game seriously any more.
You're slightly off center, therefore=good/okay. The game has issues but if that was a good/okay then thats what it should've been, you weren't perfect with the placement. Perfect means perfect, not pretty close.
Lmao. Ok, so what woukd good or squared up look like if that was ok? Plus you know there are thousands of other examples of the ball being further from center and getting a perfect.
Show me some of those pictures and I will gladly admit that I am wrong but I have yet to experience that and I've been playing everyday since launch. Not saying its not true. I just haven't experienced it so if I see some proof, I will accept that it happens without any argument. For me every good/okay I've hit has made sense and all the perfect/perfect shots had to be "dead on balls accurate" to quote My Cousin Vinny.
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Watch a game of top tier players on youtube or twitch. They put up a ton of runs on hall of fame. And they get good/good perfect/perfect line outs. They are playing the same game as you.
If you aren’t scoring as much as you would like, it’s because you aren’t getting enough good/good or perfect/perfect at bats.
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