@PriorFir4383355_XBL said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL said:

@TripleH-4481_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL

Bottom line is that it’s a major issue that will and has driven many players away this year, some for good. The only reasons I’m still playing this year are that I love baseball and it’s my thing to relax and unwind with after a busy day. Unfortunately this year has exposed a lot of flaws and SDS has done little to nothing to improve the experience. It’s a bummer and truly shocking how far and how fast this game has fallen.

I agree that it's a major issue, but I disagree with you saying SDS has done little or nothing to improve the experience. Manu is in here every single day removing the bots, trying fixes for it, etc. I really believe that they're doing as much as they can.

The efforts have to be effective to truly earn plaudits. Failure in any form is bad. Yes, willful neglect is worse, and SDS isn't guilty of that in this singular case, but they are guilty as sin of neglect in many other important areas of their game.

But, ultimately, SDS is a professional business. With all professional endeavors, the only acceptable performance measure is success.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but as someone who's a little older and has spent quite a while in the business world, I've learned that things are rarely as simple as they appear from the outside. A lot of this community is also being fed false narratives by content creators and treating opinions, speculation, and toxicity as fact.

Based on the way you write, you seem like an intelligent person. I would expect you to look beyond the easy "SDS doesn't care" narrative and recognize that SDS isn't some "multibillion-dollar company" with unlimited access to Sony's money. From the outside, it appears they're understaffed, overworked, and genuinely trying to improve the game. At this point, no matter what they do, good or bad, someone is going to attack them for it.

And to your point about success, despite all the complaining, people are still logging in, playing the game, and spending money on stubs. That doesn't mean the game is perfect or that its problems should be ignored, but calling it a failure is a major exaggeration. It's still a very good game and, as a dad with a full-time job and limited time to turn on my Xbox, it's still one of the few games I consistently choose to play.

They should still look at resolving it but the fact that the market, the game and game play and app are all tied together probably adds to the complexity.

@Bridge-Piece_XBL said:

@TripleH-4481_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL

Bottom line is that it’s a major issue that will and has driven many players away this year, some for good. The only reasons I’m still playing this year are that I love baseball and it’s my thing to relax and unwind with after a busy day. Unfortunately this year has exposed a lot of flaws and SDS has done little to nothing to improve the experience. It’s a bummer and truly shocking how far and how fast this game has fallen.

I agree that it's a major issue, but I disagree with you saying SDS has done little or nothing to improve the experience. Manu is in here every single day removing the bots, trying fixes for it, etc. I really believe that they're doing as much as they can.

The efforts have to be effective to truly earn plaudits. Failure in any form is bad. Yes, willful neglect is worse, and SDS isn't guilty of that in this singular case, but they are guilty as sin of neglect in many other important areas of their game.

But, ultimately, SDS is a professional business. With all professional endeavors, the only acceptable performance measure is success.

@Dolenz_PSN said:

@samguenther1987_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL said:

@TripleH-4481_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL

Bottom line is that it’s a major issue that will and has driven many players away this year, some for good. The only reasons I’m still playing this year are that I love baseball and it’s my thing to relax and unwind with after a busy day. Unfortunately this year has exposed a lot of flaws and SDS has done little to nothing to improve the experience. It’s a bummer and truly shocking how far and how fast this game has fallen.

I agree that it's a major issue, but I disagree with you saying SDS has done little or nothing to improve the experience. Manu is in here every single day removing the bots, trying fixes for it, etc. I really believe that they're doing as much as they can.

Where is your proof of that? All I see is that the market is completely destroyed now, to the point where I don't even care anymore. I've moved on.

The gold equipment cards have completely crashed and are no longer worth even bothering with.

Manu has been in the forum quite often asking people to check it. People have gotten wrongly restricted quite often as they try to control bots.

Lack of success does not equal lack of effort.

I still maintain that it must be a monumental task to try and differentiate a bot from a really efficient flipper. Also, that the people running the bots (I assume 3rd party stubs sellers) are very motivated to circumvent any safeguards SDS implements

Alright fair enough, I do appreciate that SDS is doing all they can in a really terrible situation. I imagine if we are frustrated they must be even more frustrated seeing their game in this state.

My questioning just comes from pure frustration, it's August and once again i'm down below 100k, I don't know if i've ever been that low this far into the game cycle.

Sorry if I sounded negative.

@Dolenz_PSN said:

@samguenther1987_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL said:

@TripleH-4481_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL

Bottom line is that it’s a major issue that will and has driven many players away this year, some for good. The only reasons I’m still playing this year are that I love baseball and it’s my thing to relax and unwind with after a busy day. Unfortunately this year has exposed a lot of flaws and SDS has done little to nothing to improve the experience. It’s a bummer and truly shocking how far and how fast this game has fallen.

I agree that it's a major issue, but I disagree with you saying SDS has done little or nothing to improve the experience. Manu is in here every single day removing the bots, trying fixes for it, etc. I really believe that they're doing as much as they can.

Where is your proof of that? All I see is that the market is completely destroyed now, to the point where I don't even care anymore. I've moved on.

The gold equipment cards have completely crashed and are no longer worth even bothering with.

Manu has been in the forum quite often asking people to check it. People have gotten wrongly restricted quite often as they try to control bots.

Lack of success does not equal lack of effort.

I still maintain that it must be a monumental task to try and differentiate a bot from a really efficient flipper. Also, that the people running the bots (I assume 3rd party stubs sellers) are very motivated to circumvent any safeguards SDS implements

^^ this exactly. I also don't flip gold equipment cards. The cards I flip do get impacted, but then after a bit are back to having large enough margins for me. I probably flip differently than most people.

@samguenther1987_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL said:

@TripleH-4481_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL

Bottom line is that it’s a major issue that will and has driven many players away this year, some for good. The only reasons I’m still playing this year are that I love baseball and it’s my thing to relax and unwind with after a busy day. Unfortunately this year has exposed a lot of flaws and SDS has done little to nothing to improve the experience. It’s a bummer and truly shocking how far and how fast this game has fallen.

I agree that it's a major issue, but I disagree with you saying SDS has done little or nothing to improve the experience. Manu is in here every single day removing the bots, trying fixes for it, etc. I really believe that they're doing as much as they can.

Where is your proof of that? All I see is that the market is completely destroyed now, to the point where I don't even care anymore. I've moved on.

The gold equipment cards have completely crashed and are no longer worth even bothering with.

Manu has been in the forum quite often asking people to check it. People have gotten wrongly restricted quite often as they try to control bots.

Lack of success does not equal lack of effort.

I still maintain that it must be a monumental task to try and differentiate a bot from a really efficient flipper. Also, that the people running the bots (I assume 3rd party stubs sellers) are very motivated to circumvent any safeguards SDS implements

Every single day is objectively false. It’s extremely noticeable when something is done as the market is night and day. Yes, he is making an effort but saying it’s enough is simply not true.

Certainly more than they worked on the WBC Exploit issue. (I can't let them forget that they let a lot is us down on that one)

@Bridge-Piece_XBL said:

@TripleH-4481_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL

Bottom line is that it’s a major issue that will and has driven many players away this year, some for good. The only reasons I’m still playing this year are that I love baseball and it’s my thing to relax and unwind with after a busy day. Unfortunately this year has exposed a lot of flaws and SDS has done little to nothing to improve the experience. It’s a bummer and truly shocking how far and how fast this game has fallen.

I agree that it's a major issue, but I disagree with you saying SDS has done little or nothing to improve the experience. Manu is in here every single day removing the bots, trying fixes for it, etc. I really believe that they're doing as much as they can.

Where is your proof of that? All I see is that the market is completely destroyed now, to the point where I don't even care anymore. I've moved on.

The gold equipment cards have completely crashed and are no longer worth even bothering with.

@TripleH-4481_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL

Bottom line is that it’s a major issue that will and has driven many players away this year, some for good. The only reasons I’m still playing this year are that I love baseball and it’s my thing to relax and unwind with after a busy day. Unfortunately this year has exposed a lot of flaws and SDS has done little to nothing to improve the experience. It’s a bummer and truly shocking how far and how fast this game has fallen.

I agree that it's a major issue, but I disagree with you saying SDS has done little or nothing to improve the experience. Manu is in here every single day removing the bots, trying fixes for it, etc. I really believe that they're doing as much as they can.

Bottom line is that it’s a major issue that will and has driven many players away this year, some for good. The only reasons I’m still playing this year are that I love baseball and it’s my thing to relax and unwind with after a busy day. Unfortunately this year has exposed a lot of flaws and SDS has done little to nothing to improve the experience. It’s a bummer and truly shocking how far and how fast this game has fallen.

@TripleH-4481_PSN said:

@Bridge-Piece_XBL

It’s not about simply getting the single card we want. It’s the fact it destroys flipping as a viable option to make stubs in the game to then buy the actual cards we want to use.

I’d say flipping has been dead 95% of the game cycle this year. That ruins a big part of the game experience for those of us that aren’t elite at the game or dumping thousands of dollars of real money into the game.

It’s crystal clear the bots and 3rd party sites have absolutely decimated the marketplace this year. Coupled with the myriad of other problems and flat out lies this year the game is so much worse than it should be.

The bots have really hurt flipping, but you can still make stubs... just not as many as you can without them.
And I say this as someone sitting at 3.2 mill stubs and with, like I said, nearly every card in the game.

It’s not about simply getting the single card we want. It’s the fact it destroys flipping as a viable option to make stubs in the game to then buy the actual cards we want to use.

I’d say flipping has been dead 95% of the game cycle this year. That ruins a big part of the game experience for those of us that aren’t elite at the game or dumping thousands of dollars of real money into the game.

It’s crystal clear the bots and 3rd party sites have absolutely decimated the marketplace this year. Coupled with the myriad of other problems and flat out lies this year the game is so much worse than it should be.

@Dolenz_PSN said:

While there is no doubt that there are bots aplenty, I have been able to buy the cards I wanted simply by placing a reasonable bid and waiting. Do I get outbid quickly? Yes. Do those cards get sold and I eventually get the card I wanted? Yes.

Maybe I have not bid on the most desireable cards

I have every card in the game, minus a small handful. Just put in a bid and wait, you'll get it 99% of the time within an hour.

The bots are there and are super annoying, but I think Manu clears them out every chance he can get - the people who program them are just relentless.

Maybe I have not bid on the most desireable cards

Every time and they do that non stop absolutely killing the entire market. Been that way 95% of the time for months.

Yeah I posted a completely random number 300-400 above the highest order and clicked submit and before It refreshed there was already 2 buy orders 1 above

Yep very easy to spot. They place 2 orders 1 stub below your price and do that pretty much non stop until the margin is completely gone on every card where stubs can be made. The market is infested and it’s sucked all year long.